The Official Energy Speakers Thread

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

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I have heard the Totem Sttafs that have a 2-way single driver design out perform B&W, MA, Paradigms, PSB, Kefs, Dali, Energy, etc etc.

Not counting the Dyns Excite 16 nor the Totem Rainmakers that we respectively heard that will outperfor all those as well.

Yet a 2 way design can use a pretty complex crossover that will result in an extremely pleasing sound.

The 2 ways Hawk sounds amazing too with a very simple X-over 1rst order 6db per octave design.

Sttaf and Rainmakers use a more complex second order 12 db per octave X-over design, Quite ear pleasing I must say

[callas01]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

It must be british sounding.

does it say things like

[Show spoiler]Cherrio my good mate!

instead of

[Show spoiler]Hey whats up?

[Show spoiler]

[callas01]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Not counting the Dyns Excite 16 nor the Totem Rainmakers that we respectively heard that will outperfor all those as well.

Yet a 2 way design can use a pretty complex crossover that will result in an extremely pleasing sound.

The 2 ways Hawk sounds amazing too with a very simple X-over 1rst order 6db per octave design.

Sttaf and Rainmakers use a more complex second order 12 db per octave X-over design, Quite ear pleasing I must say

And that is my point, a well built 2-way can be much better then a 3-way..... I was worried about my C-300s vs the other bigger multi-driver speakers, heck now I know, # of drivers matter not, nor does the design of 2 or 2.5 or 3 way... its how the speakers are competely put together.

As they say.

The Sum of the WHOLE is great then the PARTS.

[callas01]

[Show spoiler]oi, thats mighty pucker right there chap

instead of

[Show spoiler]Dude, thats phuckin awesome.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

Justin, again if we look at the design of the RC-30 and RC-50, they have the same tapered 3-way design as each other with the same crossovers points. However the operating range of the drivers will be different.

RC-30
Crossover Point 1.0kHz and 2.4kHz
Operating Range Tweeter: 1.5kHz and >, Woofer 1: ~ to 1kHz, Woofer 2:~ to 3kHz

RC-50
Crossover Point 1.0kHz and 2.4kHz
Operating Range Tweeter: 1.5kHz and >, Woofer 1: ~ to 800Hz, Woofer 2:~ to 3kHz


The two speakers are nearly identical, except for the size of the drivers and the bottom woofer on the RC-50 rolls off lower in the mid-range/Mid-bass region. Therefore, you will be a bit more kick to the bass side of the speaker. It will have more punch, both because of the drivers size and the different roll off points.

hope that helps.

One guy says 2 way another says 3 way and I say 2.5 way I believe it is 2.5 like my C-500. 2 x-over points using the same driver for Bass and mid bass with some overlap of course.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

does it say things like

[Show spoiler]Cherrio my good mate!

instead of

[Show spoiler]Hey whats up?

[Show spoiler]

LMAO

[callas01]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

One guy says 2 way another says 3 way and I say 2.5 way I believe it is 2.5 like my C-500. 2 x-over points using the same driver for Bass and mid bass with some overlap of course.

http://www.energy-speakers.com/na-en...pecifications/

click on read more, and here is what it says....

The dual 5.5-inch Ribbed Elliptical Surround woofer configuration, along with the Energy tapered 3-way crossover system, work in tandem with the chambered 1-inch aluminum dome tweeter to give the RC-30 a huge technological advantage. Deep bass, clear midrange and distortion-free treble response—it’s all there. The sound is Pure Energy.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

One guy says 2 way another says 3 way and I say 2.5 way I believe it is 2.5 like my C-500. 2 x-over points using the same driver for Bass and mid bass with some overlap of course.

while I agree that it has the feel and look of a 2.5 way design, I am simply going by whats written.... and hopeing the webmaster and/or engineers know what they are talking about...

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

while I agree that it has the feel and look of a 2.5 way design, I am simply going by whats written.... and hopeing the webmaster and/or engineers know what they are talking about...

Yeah but you see a 2.5 way speaker design is exactly what you described isn't it?

3 way X-over with 2 identical drivers to produce Bass and mids.

[statikcat]

http://www.statikcatstudio.com/energyorder.jpg

Over half off + no tax + 8$ overnight shipping = mega deal. It appears there are only a few left. Looks like tomorrow I will be officially part of the Energy group!

Side question. I never biamped since my Infinities did not have the option. I have read it can improve sound quality and have also read it's over rated and does not really help at all. Should I bother biamping these?

[callas01]

Originally Posted by statikcat

http://www.statikcatstudio.com/energyorder.jpg

Over half off + no tax + 8$ overnight shipping = mega deal. It appears there are only a few left. Looks like tomorrow I will be officially part of the Energy group!

Side question. I never biamped since my Infinities did not have the option. I have read it can improve sound quality and have also read it's over rated and does not really help at all. Should I bother biamping these?

awesome.... I can't believe the shipping is so little...

[statikcat]

It's from Amazon Prime. It's free 2 day shipping on any Prime and is overnight for an extra 4$.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Yeah but you see a 2.5 way speaker design is exactly what you described isn't it?

3 way X-over with 2 identical drivers to produce Bass and mids.

a 2.5 usually has one driver that rolls off at a certian point but the upper driver keep going until it crosses the tweeters LF roll-off point.

a 3-way design usually has the a tweeter/mid-range and a mid-range/woofer crossover point

[callas01]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Yeah but you see a 2.5 way speaker design is exactly what you described isn't it?

3 way X-over with 2 identical drivers to produce Bass and mids.

the other things is, I don't know exactly how the tapered crossover works the way they have it setup....

It could be the tweeter has 2 crossovers, one that goes to driver #1 at a certian point in a first order 12dbs/octave, then to driver #2 at another point maybe 3rd order 6 dbs/octave, (wild guessing on my part, I really have no idea)

where it is more commonly seen as the tweeter crosses to the mid-driver, then the mid to the woofers....

I just don't know... that is the complicated mess of speaker design and everything I just don't know enough about personally....

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

a 2.5 usually has one driver that rolls off at a certian point but the upper driver keep going until it crosses the tweeters LF roll-off point.

a 3-way design usually has the a tweeter/mid-range and a mid-range/woofer crossover point

Isn't that what i'm saying

You got this right tho it's a big mess trying to figure everything with X-over has alot of designs exist.

Gord Van Kessel said "This 2 way system" when he did the RC-30 video for Audio advisor.

Enough said on 2 way, 2.5 or 3 way. Seriously I personally could not care less as long as it sounds good. I'll go with what their webmaster says.

[Jwilly019]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Isn't that what i'm saying

You got this right tho it's a big mess trying to figure everything with X-over has alot of designs exist.

Gord Van Kessel said "This 2 way system" when he did the RC-30 video for Audio advisor.

Enough said on 2 way, 2.5 or 3 way. Seriously I personally could not care less as long as it sounds good. I'll go with what their webmaster says.

Bingo, that's the most important thing.

Justin

[patwrightjr]

what about speakers or towers that are set up as a 2-way but they use a couple extra woofers as "passive radiators"?? guess my questions is, what is a passive radiator and how does it work??

[Miker107]

Originally Posted by patwrightjr

check this out guys, I almost feel stupid for revealing this but here we go anyhow....since ive been in the habbit of listening to music (often i'll watch "soundstage" on cable where this is some great live performances) so in the process of breaking in my RC's music plays constantly. Ive noticed the sound has really gotten good and dialed in with the punchyness of the woofers i was worried the bass would never "come around". So since i have an 11 month old girl who is a terror around my place so I have never romoved my grills from my speakers while they play..Well I have a new word for these "grills", well lets just call them "muzzles" because man thats exactly what they were doing...acting like a baffle. So guess what, I removed those muzzles only to reveal those hidden "highs!" Dam and what do you know, the highs where their all along and they sound great, it was like someone removed a piece of tape from the tweeter, man i feel stupid...but ive got to tell you all, these grills do a diservice to these speakers. So i raised the teleskoping stands a bit so my daughter cant touch the woofers and am running them muzzle-free. Any of you guys experience such a thing??

Pat, I'm sorry, but I should have mentioned that to you. I experienced the same thing. I found the grills to muffle the sound quite a bit so I leave them off. It does make a difference. Glad you figured it out on your own though.

[arrt vandelay]

Originally Posted by patwrightjr

what about speakers or towers that are set up as a 2-way but they use a couple extra woofers as "passive radiators"?? guess my questions is, what is a passive radiator and how does it work??

a passive radiator is basically a speaker cone w/o a magnet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive..._%28speaker%29

they are used in some speakers in place of a port to improve lower frequency response. not many speaker manufacturers use them to my knowledge...the only company i can think of that does use them is definitive technology...

[callas01]

Originally Posted by arrt vandelay

a passive radiator is basically a speaker cone w/o a magnet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive..._%28speaker%29

they are used in some speakers in place of a port to improve lower frequency response. not many speaker manufacturers use them to my knowledge...the only company i can think of that does use them is definitive technology...

thiel and boston acoustics does too. many of the "lifestyle" speakers, Polk VM series, def tech mythos, etc.