Official Denon Owners Thread

[tfordon1]

having a problems with my denon 889. when i watch movies in true hd or dts hd there seems to be a huge lack of bass. when i watch movies on dvd in dolby there is lots of bass im not sure whats up, for a long time i thought that was the way it was suppose to sound but now i dont think so. there in just no low end impact in true hd or dts hd. any suggestions are welcome could this be something in the setup? has any one else had this happen?

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by tfordon1

having a problems with my denon 889. when i watch movies in true hd or dts hd there seems to be a huge lack of bass. when i watch movies on dvd in dolby there is lots of bass im not sure whats up, for a long time i thought that was the way it was suppose to sound but now i dont think so. there in just no low end impact in true hd or dts hd. any suggestions are welcome could this be something in the setup? has any one else had this happen?

I don't know but my guess is it's only the name of the beast; Dollby Digital and DTS audio soundtracks are always much louder than their newer counterparts, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA audio soundtracks.

* You have a nice receiver that has Audyssey MultEQ, it should have the appropriate bass for any audio formats.

>> Suggestion: 1. Try to add few dBs more into the Sub channel level, perhaps three or four, according to your preference. And simply turn the Master Volume up afterwards when watching movies.
2. Turn Audyssey Dynamic EQ & Dynamic Volume OFF.

~~~ There are so many audio adjustments from your 889 receiver (Assignment of Low frequency signal range, Crossover Frequency, Subwoofer Modes, Surround Parameters, Manual EQ, Cinema EQ, Dynamic Range Compression, Audyssey Dynamic EQ & Volume, LFE, etc.) that I would need much more from you to isolate and understand the issue at end.
Also from your subwoofer's own settings (in the rear).

>> Suggestion: 3. Experiment.

[Big-byrd]

hey recently picked up a denon avr 2800, i know its not all fancy but im just starting this build. so far i love how its going. i however do not have a remote for it... any suggestions or is harmony remote my only option?

[silversnake]

I have the Denon AVR-890 and a PS3 slim. I have everything connected to the HDMI and than one HDMI out to the TV. When I watch a movie and I hit select it says DTS-MA or Dolby True HD in the top but never on my receiver. I thought the bonus with the slim was that you could choose whether to do it with the receiver or PS3.

Can anyone let me know what to do in order to see it on my receiver? Thanks in advance

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Big-byrd

hey recently picked up a denon avr 2800, i know its not all fancy but im just starting this build. so far i love how its going. i however do not have a remote for it... any suggestions or is harmony remote my only option?

Call Denon and ask them if they can accomodate you. If not ask them how much they'll charge you for the original remote.

* But even better (if you can afford it) you can get a Universal Logitech Harmony 520 for only $20 (for the refurb). ...Heck, the 550 is only $30, when on sale at Amazon.
Check Amazon, e-Bay, etc.

Originally Posted by silversnake

I have the Denon AVR-890 and a PS3 slim. I have everything connected to the HDMI and than one HDMI out to the TV. When I watch a movie and I hit select it says DTS-MA or Dolby True HD in the top but never on my receiver. I thought the bonus with the slim was that you could choose whether to do it with the receiver or PS3.

Can anyone let me know what to do in order to see it on my receiver? Thanks in advance

Just select "Bitstream" in your PS3 'Slim' "HDMI Audio Out" menu setup.
* That's for Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA audio signals out, of course.

[silversnake]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Just select "Bitstream" in your PS3 'Slim' "HDMI Audio Out" menu setup.
* That's for Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA audio signals out, of course.

Thank you good sir

I knew it was something easy.

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it's the little things

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by silversnake

Thank you good sir

I knew it was something easy.

The little blue light just popped up when playing Dark knight. Freaking awesome

it's the little things

Yup, those little details that light up our hearts!

[bigzee3]

Just a question. Have the Denon 4802 hookED up to a Panasonic dmp-80 player. Settings on player for speakers set to small, analog connections to the Denon all speakers set to small and crossover 80. Denon connected to Velodyne cht12 via Y adaptor sub set to 9-10 o'clock. What should the bass boost be set on the receiver for best blu ray playback.Any help would be great.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by bigzee3

Just a question. Have the Denon 4802 hookED up to a Panasonic dmp-80 player. Settings on player for speakers set to small, analog connections to the Denon all speakers set to small and crossover 80. Denon connected to Velodyne cht12 via Y adaptor sub set to 9-10 o'clock. What should the bass boost be set on the receiver for best blu ray playback.Any help would be great.

* Subwoofer Mode = LFE.

* Ext. In Subwoofer Level = +10 dB.

* Subwoofer Channel level = According to your Radio Shack SPL meter (add couple dBs to that).

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You are talking about the Ext. In Subwoofer Level from the Multichannel analog input;
so try that: +10 dB (from your Denon AVR-4802 receiver).
And adjust the final balance from your Panny BD player (DMP-BD80).
What is nice about your Denon receiver is that you can adjust each channel level individually, including the subwoofer channel, from the multichannel analog input (Ext. In).
...And also from your Panasonic BD player.

*** In the end you do need that Radio Shack SPL meter to balance all your channels including the Subwoofer one to the same level. But for the Sub channel, simply add 2 dBs for compensation of innacuracy at low frequencies from the Shack meter.

~ Anything else? ...And remember, always trust your ears first.

[BIslander]

Originally Posted by bigzee3

Just a question. Have the Denon 4802 hookED up to a Panasonic dmp-80 player. Settings on player for speakers set to small, analog connections to the Denon all speakers set to small and crossover 80. Denon connected to Velodyne cht12 via Y adaptor sub set to 9-10 o'clock. What should the bass boost be set on the receiver for best blu ray playback.Any help would be great.

The Denon speaker settings and crossover do not come into play when using Ext In. The player handles the crossover (at 100 Hz for all small speakers with Panasonic).

With bass management, the player should output the sub at -15dB. But, I only use a +10dB boost on my Denon 3805 and a Panasonic BD55 player. Then, I fine tune the Ext In sub trim level on the Denon using an SPL meter. So, there's really no one correct answer. Any combination of boost and trimming that gets you to a properly calibrated level that sounds good to you is fine.

[LordoftheRings]

That's right, you can set the Ext. In Subwoofer Level at 0 db (from your Denon 4802 receiver), and will simply have another value for the Subwoofer channel level from your Panny BD80.

And in addition to those two adjustments, you get a third one from your receiver's Subwoofer individual channel level! Ouf! That is a lot of optional adjustments for the Volume level of your Subwoofer channel!

* What you truly needs though is that Radio Shack SPL meter (the analog one is best), to properly balance all your channels' levels including the Sub one.
And somewhere in one of the threads here (by Big Daddy I believe), you can find that Compensation Chart for that Shack meter, which help you to correct for the innacuracy of it's mic into the lower audio frequencies.
~ That's why I said to add a couple dBs to that Subwoofer channel level at the end.

[bigzee3]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

* Subwoofer Mode = LFE.

* Ext. In Subwoofer Level = +10 dB.

* Subwoofer Channel level = According to your Radio Shack SPL meter (add couple dBs to that).

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You are talking about the Ext. In Subwoofer Level from the Multichannel analog input;
so try that: +10 dB (from your Denon AVR-4802 receiver).
And adjust the final balance from your Panny BD player (DMP-BD80).
What is nice about your Denon receiver is that you can adjust each channel level individually, including the subwoofer channel, from the multichannel analog input (Ext. In).
...And also from your Panasonic BD player.

*** In the end you do need that Radio Shack SPL meter to balance all your channels including the Subwoofer one to the same level. But for the Sub channel, simply add 2 dBs for compensation of innacuracy at low frequencies from the Shack meter.

~ Anything else? ...And remember, always trust your ears first.

Thanks for reply, at the moment the receiver is set to LFE and ext in level at +5. using the SPL meter should i set the channels up thru the player or the receiver to 75 db and then add the +10 boost. Just one other thing the ext in levels are set up at the moment the same levels as other digital outputs if this is right then it only needs the +10 boost?

[bigzee3]

Originally Posted by BIslander

The Denon speaker settings and crossover do not come into play when using Ext In. The player handles the crossover (at 100 Hz for all small speakers with Panasonic).

With bass management, the player should output the sub at -15dB. But, I only use a +10dB boost on my Denon 3805 and a Panasonic BD55 player. Then, I fine tune the Ext In sub trim level on the Denon using an SPL meter. So, there's really no one correct answer. Any combination of boost and trimming that gets you to a properly calibrated level that sounds good to you is fine.

thanks, at the moment all settings on player are at 0 and speakers set to small. Am i understanding that the sub setting on the player should be -15 and then the +10 boost to be done on the denon. also if the player sub level is at 0 should the boost +10 be added?

[BIslander]

Originally Posted by bigzee3

thanks, at the moment all settings on player are at 0 and speakers set to small. Am i understanding that the sub setting on the player should be -15 and then the +10 boost to be done on the denon. also if the player sub level is at 0 should the boost +10 be added?

LFE is designed to be played 10dB louder than the other channels. However, it is recorded at the same level as the other others (in other words, 10dB low) to prevent clipping during transmission. So, LFE needs to be boosted by 10dB in the processor or at the sub itself. With digital, the software handles the boost. With analog, the user needs to do it.

If you engage bass management in the player, then LFE is lowered another 5dB to make room for the redirected bass. The player will also lower the redirected bass by 15dB. So, you need to boost the sub output (LFE + redirected bass) by 15dB.

It is best to leave all channels, including the sub, at 0 in the player and make all adjustments in the receiver. When the sub output is 0 from the player, it will need 10-15dB of boost in the receiver.

If memory serves, your player does not have test tones for the sub. You will need to use a calibration disc. The tones on most discs account for the 10dB difference in the LFE channel, meaning you calibrate to the same level for all channels, including the sub.

[bigzee3]

Originally Posted by BIslander

LFE is designed to be played 10dB louder than the other channels. However, it is recorded at the same level as the other others (in other words, 10dB low) to prevent clipping during transmission. So, LFE needs to be boosted by 10dB in the processor or at the sub itself. With digital, the software handles the boost. With analog, the user needs to do it.

If you engage bass management in the player, then LFE is lowered another 5dB to make room for the redirected bass. The player will also lower the redirected bass by 15dB. So, you need to boost the sub output (LFE + redirected bass) by 15dB.

It is best to leave all channels, including the sub, at 0 in the player and make all adjustments in the receiver. When the sub output is 0 from the player, it will need 10-15dB of boost in the receiver.

If memory serves, your player does not have test tones for the sub. You will need to use a calibration disc. The tones on most discs account for the 10dB difference in the LFE channel, meaning you calibrate to the same level for all channels, including the sub.

All levels on player are at 0. Got video essentils disc from a while back does this disc account for the 10 db difference. if so i just set the channels including sub to 75db and no +10 boost.

[BIslander]

Originally Posted by bigzee3

All levels on player are at 0. Got video essentils disc from a while back does this disc account for the 10 db difference. if so i just set the channels including sub to 75db and no +10 boost.

No. You will need a 10-15dB boost for the analog sub. Then, calibrate all channels, including the sub, to the same SPL reading.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by bigzee3

All levels on player are at 0. Got video essentils disc from a while back does this disc account for the 10 db difference. if so i just set the channels including sub to 75db and no +10 boost.

Just like BIslander said above, add that 10 dB boost (Ext. In Sub Level from your Denon receiver for the LFE), plus another 2.5 dB (Separate Sub channel level from your Denon receiver; after calibrating all channel's levels equally) for the innacuracy of the Radio Shack SPL meter at lower frequencies (that's a fair average).
So, total = +12.5 dBs.

[bigzee3]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Just like BIslander said above, add that 10 dB boost (Ext. In Sub Level from your Denon receiver for the LFE), plus another 2.5 dB (Separate Sub channel level from your Denon receiver; after calibrating all channel's levels equally) for the innacuracy of the Radio Shack SPL meter at lower frequencies (that's a fair average).
So, total = +12.5 dBs.

Just tried but my spl meter died flat battery have to go get one. So after the +10 boost on the denon then run the test tones to get the 75db reading across all channels and sub. If sub reading is by some chance higher than 75db should i reduce the boost to get it to 75db?

[SammyB]

I currently have a pioneer 1019 receiver. I'm finding it to be lack luster, especially with action 7.1 movies, or when I matrix to 7.1. Even in 5.1 with some action movies, it seems to fall short when there's a lot going on, such as explosions. I'm thinking about buying the Denon 2310ci.

My speakers are Aperions, all 6 ohms with the sensitivity rating at 86 for the fronts and center and 84 for the surrounds. Suggested power is 25 to 150 for all except the center which is 50 to 150. (I don't really understand suggested power part because I thought most of the time I give them only a hand full of that?.)

I don't do anything fancy, I rarely matrix (never to movies, movies are art and should be left untouched in my mind), I don't use midnight modes or anything, and I have no need to upscale (ps3 and hd comcast, HDMI for both).

I don't listen at reference volume, but close to it. Maybe 10 or 15 db under for movies, and less for tv and music.

From all the research I've done, it seems like Denon is pretty honest with their power ratings, and that's the main thing I'm after. A decent amount of power. Enough to leave me some headroom for the action flicks, since it seems like the pioneer doesn't have that.

Is the Denon 2310 a good choice?

[BIslander]

Originally Posted by bigzee3

Just tried but my spl meter died flat battery have to go get one. So after the +10 boost on the denon then run the test tones to get the 75db reading across all channels and sub. If sub reading is by some chance higher than 75db should i reduce the boost to get it to 75db?

In looking at the manual for the 4802, I don't see a setting to boost the SW for the Ext. Inputs. Perhaps that got added in a subsequent model year. But, the lack of a setting that applies the analog SW boost may make calibrating much more difficult.

Denons have master channel levels that are set in the system set-up. Then, you can adjust them separately for each surround mode. In later models, Ext. In is considered a surround mode for these purposes and that's mentioned specifically in the manual. But, I don't see the same thing in the 4802 manual. It does not mention Ext. In as a surround mode that can be used to trim channel levels. But, perhaps it works that way anyway. Give it a try and see.

At any rate, after reading the manual, I'm not sure how to go about boosting the sub for analog without affecting your digital set-up.