81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers - Page 289 - Blu-ray Forum

atomik kinder · 11-23-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by edgebsl

I think becasue of the sale on the a3.

You buy an a3 and put 10 hd dvds in the cart and get the package for $199.
SO all ten discs get scanned.

That's right folks...you buy ten movies you get an A3 for free.

Toshiba has resorted to giving away players for free now that the $98 didnt seem to do much.

That's not the way it works, you get 5 by mail, two in the box and get to pick three. So only three get counted as sales.

sphdle1 · 11-23-2007, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by edgebsl

I think becasue of the sale on the a3.

You buy an a3 and put 10 hd dvds in the cart and get the package for $199.
SO all ten discs get scanned.

That's right folks...you buy ten movies you get an A3 for free.

Toshiba has resorted to giving away players for free now that the $98 didnt seem to do much.

If this is truly how the numbers are counted for Nielsen especially, that is not good. It's also not fair or realistic. If the deal is you get 10 movies with a player, then the movies should Not count (not one of them)!

sphdle1 · 11-23-2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by atomik kinder

That's not the way it works, you get 5 by mail, two in the box and get to pick three. So only three get counted as sales.

If that's true, than that is much better, but I still don't think even those 3 movies should count, because they were given away as part of a promotion for the player...!

dialog_gvf · 11-23-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sphdle1

If this is truly how the numbers are counted for Nielsen especially, that is not good. It's also not fair or realistic. If the deal is you get 10 movies with a player, then the movies should Not count (not one of them)!

I doubt Videoscan/Nielsen accept giveaways in the count. When they poll the retailers, it's for actual sales.

The Amazon popularity rankings are a different thing than sales. Always have been.

Gary

Fozziwig · 11-23-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GregBlu5

I believe that what we're beginning to discover is that amazon is not always a true indicator of what's going on regarding the Nielsons.....

Hopefully this isn't a 'discovery' for anyone.

Amazon isn't a true 'sales' chart atall. It is a marketing device.

It includes pre-orders and products given away (bundles with players for example). Also it is not clear whether the chart is based on volume of units or value of units (MSRP).

For these reasons the Amazon chart would only be of interest when there are no offers going on and it's possible to observe a rough trend (if you look at the top 100 over a longish period). Sadly, there's never a big enough gap between special deals for the trend to show.

So, it's pretty much useless as a market indicator. But it gives the HD DVD fanboys something to squeal excitedly about when the red line goes above the blue one - until they are returned to reality when the Nielsen results come out.

w_tanoto · 11-23-2007, 04:58 PM

so, what's this week number?

sj001 · 11-23-2007, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by w_tanoto

so, what's this week number?

Not official yet, but the word from other sources so far is 66:34. Pretty good.

w_tanoto · 11-23-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sj001

Not official yet, but the word from other sources so far is 66:34. Pretty good.

any increase in SI and YTD?

sj001 · 11-23-2007, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by w_tanoto

any increase in SI and YTD?

Since it's only 1 point higher, I doubt it, it would be almost impossible to move the YTD at this point.

WickyWoo · 11-23-2007, 05:08 PM

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I doubt Videoscan/Nielsen accept giveaways in the count. When they poll the retailers, it's for actual sales.

These sales on BOTH sides are done to manipulate the numbers.

The A3 is discounted by $30, and the 3 movies ring up at $10 each or something like that.

As long as theyre scanned through POS at something more than 0 (and high enough to not be obvious dumping) it counts

sj001 · 11-23-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by WickyWoo

These sales on BOTH sides are done to manipulate the numbers.

The A3 is discounted by $30, and the 3 movies ring up at $10 each or something like that.

As long as theyre scanned through POS at something more than 0 (and high enough to not be obvious dumping) it counts

I wonder how they will do the 10 free movies at Walmart?

Too bad they don't count for Nielsen's though.

Hey, 1,000 post!

dobyblue · 11-23-2007, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by w_tanoto

any increase in SI and YTD?

We'll need weeks of more than 71:29 to see YTD moving.

I htink it will finish two or three points higher than it currently is by the end of the year, maybe more.

I'm sure the week of Dec 4th will move the YTD by 2 points alone, barring some major 2-4-1 sale by HD DVD.

dialog_gvf · 11-23-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by WickyWoo

These sales on BOTH sides are done to manipulate the numbers.

The A3 is discounted by $30, and the 3 movies ring up at $10 each or something like that.

As long as theyre scanned through POS at something more than 0 (and high enough to not be obvious dumping) it counts

So, if you return the discs unopened you can get a refund? It would seen they can't have it both ways. Either they are free, or you're paying for them on a discounted basis.

Gary

mel2 · 11-23-2007, 05:41 PM

those numbers look good. blu gained a point despite shrek the third. c'mon hd dvd, release another turd of a movie so blu can gain another point. there are some hd dvd fanatics over on highdeforums that think hd dvd will win the die hard week. does toshiba have brainwashing kits installed in all their players because some of those guys over there are luny tunes.where is this so called momentum they keep saying they're building?

Neo65 · 11-23-2007, 05:41 PM

Did the HMM staff takeoff for the weekend? They didn't update this week's edition yet...

I can't go out and buy more toys if I don't see the %age breakdown by title.

sj001 · 11-23-2007, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Neo65

Did the HMM staff takeoff for the weekend? They didn't update this week's edition yet...

I can't go out and buy more toys if I don't see the %age breakdown by title.

Well, last week they weren't up until I think 3:30pm EST... so I guess we'll have to tailgate until then.

Grubert · 11-23-2007, 05:49 PM

thedigitalbits says that "what with the Thanksgiving holiday here in the States tomorrow, most of Hollywood is MIA this week." So I won't be too surprised if the new issue of HMM doesn't show up.

quexos · 11-23-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mel2

those numbers look good. blu gained a point despite shrek the third. c'mon hd dvd, release another turd of a movie so blu can gain another point. there are some hd dvd fanatics over on highdeforums that think hd dvd will win the die hard week. does toshiba have brainwashing kits installed in all their players because some of those guys over there are luny tunes.where is this so called momentum they keep saying they're building?

Oh yeah, and for those who have noticed I give them a hard time from time to time, over at highdefforums

Whytewash · 11-23-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Grubert

thedigitalbits says that "what with the Thanksgiving holiday here in the States tomorrow, most of Hollywood is MIA this week." So I won't be too surprised if the new issue of HMM doesn't show up.

i hate that. The numbers are what makes my Friday. I wish they would be up sooner!

sphdle1 · 11-23-2007, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sj001

Since it's only 1 point higher, I doubt it, it would be almost impossible to move the YTD at this point.

Never say never. The YTD could be teetering on the edge of changing for all we know, and we may get several 70+:30- weeks that will pull it up a point or two regardless.
A lot of PS3's being sold, thus a lot of new BD owners...not to mention the number of existing Blu people.

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11-23-2007, 04:58 PM	#5766
w_tanoto Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Hatfield, UK / Jakarta, Indonesia Blu-ray collection:37 Blu-ray reviews:47	so, what's this week number?

11-23-2007, 05:41 PM	#5774
mel2 Active Member Member since:Aug 2007	those numbers look good. blu gained a point despite shrek the third. c'mon hd dvd, release another turd of a movie so blu can gain another point. there are some hd dvd fanatics over on highdeforums that think hd dvd will win the die hard week. does toshiba have brainwashing kits installed in all their players because some of those guys over there are luny tunes.where is this so called momentum they keep saying they're building?

11-23-2007, 05:41 PM	#5775
Neo65 Senior Member Member since:Sep 2007	Did the HMM staff takeoff for the weekend? They didn't update this week's edition yet... I can't go out and buy more toys if I don't see the %age breakdown by title.

11-23-2007, 05:49 PM	#5777
Grubert Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jan 2006 Blu-ray collection:573 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:2	thedigitalbits says that "what with the Thanksgiving holiday here in the States tomorrow, most of Hollywood is MIA this week." So I won't be too surprised if the new issue of HMM doesn't show up.

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