amount of blu ray movies and hd dvd movie

[jorg]

i see a lot more addverstising for hd dvd movies and a lot of diffrent movies is this becuase of advertising or are the few studeos that suport hd dvd are pumping out more movies then blu ray suporters

[Blue]

Jorg,
I will give you the benifit of doubt. This site http://www.blu-raydisc.com/ is the offical Blu Ray site. It has a list of members to blu ray etc.
To answer your question
HD-DVD was released about 2 months before Blu Ray. Although 2 months is not a long time in the release of the formats it is. Blu Ray has been released for about 7 months. There are about 10 more titles released on HD-DVD. This will quickly change. Just look at who is doing what.
Universal will only release on HD-DVD
Warner release on both HD-DVD and Blu Ray so far have released far more on HD-DVD but announced they intend to catch up with the blu ray releases early next year
Paramount release on both HD-DVD and Blu Ray
MGM only release on Blu Ray
Fox only release on Blu Ray
Disney only release on Blu Ray
Columbia Tristar only release on Blu Ray
Sony Pictures only release on Blu Ray
and many others only release on Blu Ray
So by this time next year I would be suprised if the ratio is not 10:1 (BD:HD-DVD) for titles.

[marine92104]

I went into Fry's Electronics the day after Christmas & was looking over the HD-DVD titles & the Blu-Ray titles. The HD-DVD titles looked really picked over & alot of titles was missing.

The Blu-Ray titles was in perfect order & nothing looked like it was missing. The supervisor of the movie department was doing a count of the Blu-Ray movies & turned to one of his workers & said I wonder when any of these Blu-Ray movies will sell.

I talked to him for a few minutes & he told me that when a HD-DVD big title comes out it sells out within a day but the Blu-Ray movies just aren't moving.

I went to Best Buy & the same thing was told to me. Before you count me in as a HD-DVD fanboy I have both formats. I have a Toshiba HD-DVD player & a Panasonic Blu-Ray player so I can get the most movies in HD.

But until Blu-Ray comes down in price on movies & players the average consumer will choose the lower price format. The picture quality on Blu-Ray thankfully is getting closer to HD-DVD. I love the uncompressed sound on Blu-Ray but it's not a night & day difference from Dolby True HD on HD-DVD.

The bottom line is it doesn't matter how many studios you have or how many movies you have the consumer is going to choose what they can afford. Until Blu-Ray stops sticking it to customers & starts delivering quality product that customers can afford HD-DVD will always be a serious competitor for customers.

If a movie is released in both formats I will read the reviews 1st but most of the time I will buy the HD-DVD version because on my Pioneer Elite Pro-730HDI setup the picture quality on HD-DVD normally looks better & it's anywhere from $5 to $10 cheaper a movie.

If it's not available on HD-DVD I'll look for it somewhere on sale on Blu-Ray. And that's what I've been finding in the retail & online stores. I'm not for one format over another just make them equal & let the public decide. If I was going for what I find in retail stores & online stores I wouldn't call it even because Blu-Ray will have more titles available in a month. No one seems to be buying them from the supervisors I've been talking to & what I've been seeing.

And in case you're wondering I recently bought 17 HD-DVD titles & 15 Blu-Ray titles that haven't been released on HD-DVD so I'm not partial.

It's just the average consumer is cost conscience & until Blu-Ray prices drop it's going to be that way no matter how many studios you have & how many movies you have.

[Deciazulado]

Well my in stores experience has been the opposite of yours, and I don't find the prices of Blu-rays where I buy them to be consistently $10 over HD DVD, but just about the same. And how does a VC-1 file on a Warner Blu-ray look worse than a VC-1 file on a Warner HD DVD? They should look the same: Either same sucky or same outstanding.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by marine92104

The picture quality on Blu-Ray thankfully is getting closer to HD-DVD. I love the uncompressed sound on Blu-Ray but it's not a night & day difference from Dolby True HD on HD-DVD.

The first part of your statement is incorrect; the PQ on Blu-ray is not getting closer, it is identical and has been for months.
The lossless PCM is not night & day difference you are correct, but there is a difference. Unfortunately there are only 9 HD DVD titles to choose from with TrueHD tracks on them, whereas there are close to 100% of titles from Blu-ray exclusive studios with lossless PCM or lossless DTS-HD Master Audio on them.
The audio on Blu-ray is stomping HD DVD to the ground.
As for your statement about the selection of titles and whether or not they are moving, I completely disagree. My local store seem to be the opposite from yours; not a staggering difference, but the titles on both formats are moving and if anything there are more HD DVD titles stocked up. There were a number of titles I was looking for on Boxing Day here in Canada, like X3 and Enemy of the State, that were long since sold out.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Blue

Jorg,
I will give you the benifit of doubt. This site http://www.blu-raydisc.com/ is the offical Blu Ray site. It has a list of members to blu ray etc.
To answer your question
HD-DVD was released about 2 months before Blu Ray. Although 2 months is not a long time in the release of the formats it is. Blu Ray has been released for about 7 months. There are about 10 more titles released on HD-DVD. This will quickly change. Just look at who is doing what.
Universal will only release on HD-DVD
Warner release on both HD-DVD and Blu Ray so far have released far more on HD-DVD but announced they intend to catch up with the blu ray releases early next year
Paramount release on both HD-DVD and Blu Ray
MGM only release on Blu Ray
Fox only release on Blu Ray
Disney only release on Blu Ray
Columbia Tristar only release on Blu Ray
Sony Pictures only release on Blu Ray
and many others only release on Blu Ray
So by this time next year I would be suprised if the ratio is not 10:1 (BD:HD-DVD) for titles.

That is rather misleading, they are the same company as is MGM, though Fox is doing their distribution.

[Blue]

Sony Pictures and Columbia Tristar have seperate titles and operate as different entites. MGM is unrelated to both. Sony doesn't (or at least didn't own them) working on the common understanding that ownership is a controlling interest, or else I could own all the CE companies on the share market (just buy one share in each). Yes Sony does have interests but not controlling interests. Note I didn't include all the Disney companies as from what I'm led to believe they operate as one company although are happy to give the impression that they are independant, to keep that Disney family perception.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Blue

Sony Pictures and Columbia Tristar have seperate titles and operate as different entites. MGM is unrelated to both. Sony doesn't (or at least didn't own them) working on the common understanding that ownership is a controlling interest, or else I could own all the CE companies on the share market (just buy one share in each). Yes Sony does have interests but not controlling interests. Note I didn't include all the Disney companies as from what I'm led to believe they operate as one company although are happy to give the impression that they are independant, to keep that Disney family perception.

That is fair, but Colombia/Tristar is a wholly owned subsidiary of Sony in the same way that BVHE is a wholly owned subsidiary of Disney.

Also, while MGM is not in that category; Providence nominated Sony to have direct control over their stake in MGM giving them around 49% control of the organisation with a bunch of other companies with the remaining 51%. While Kirk Kerkorian does not have a stake in the company any more his influence within the company cannot be underestimated either, he is very friendly with Sony - further increasing their say in what happens.

[blitz6speed]

Thats weird, everytime i go to a best buy or frys, the BD movie section looks ransacked. The HD-DVDs are fully in stock and collecting dust? Where do you live?

[Deciazulado]

...As a movie guy , I tend to think of Columbia, Tri-Star, MGM, and Sony Pictures, as kind of separate studios in the sense of movie output. Same as UA and RKO

[dobyblue]

We need some freaking pictures here man.

I'm going to go this weekend and take a look at FS, BB, CC and Wal-mart.

[marine92104]

I live in Southern California. If you check the Hidefdigest forum & AVSforum alot of people are having the same experience when they go to retail stores.

At least according to your experiences in Canada things tend to be different.

I was hoping since I purchased the Panasonic Blu-Ray player to go along with my Toshiba player that it would get more use.

I wish more companies would use VC-1 encoding. In my experience it gives a sharper & more consistent picture. Hopefully with Disney using it for Flightplan more companies will start using it.

At Fry's & BestBuy here most of the Blu-Ray movies are $5 to $10 more a title on an average than the HD-DVD titles. Most of the HD-DVD titles at Fry's was $19.99 each.

Seriously at Fry's & BestBuy they had been ransacked thru & there were alot of titles missing.

I took time to talk with managers at both stores & they told me that the Blu-Ray movies weren't moving but the HD-DVD titles big titles were hard to keep in stock.

I'm not against Blu-Ray at all. I wouldn't have bought the Panasonic player if I was. As far as the sound goes it's not a huge difference in the uncompressed LCPM vs sound on a HD-DVD. It does sound better & I have a great sound system.

I'm glad the PQ caught up according to your scoresheet you get from different places. I do check reviews but I don't put alot of faith in reviewers unless I know what type of equipment they have. If it's of a lesser quality than what I have (which most of the time it is) I take it with a grain of salt.

I can only go on what I see with my setup. I'm glad the PQ got better this year. Hopefully next year we'll see an overall better PQ on all movies & uncompressed sound on each picture. Encoding has so much to do with PQ & some companies need to understand that.

I'd just like to see the prices the same on both formats. You have to remember for this not to be a niche format the average consumer has to buy into this & the average consumer is going to take the cheaper price regardless of format or quality. It doesn't matter how many studios or movies you have if your price is higher the average consumer wants the lowest price. It's happened time & time again.

By the way I can't wait to hear what titles are going to be announced at CES in a couple of weeks. I love movies in HD. That's why I bought both formats. I wasn't trying to start a HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray thread. I have about 15 Blu-Ray titles & will be buying more as the titles I want become available.

I remember Doby you saying that Warner is going to start releasing their titles in Blu-Ray with uncompressed sound. Where did you get this information? No one else or any website I have found stated that? I hope they do but that's the 1st I've heard of it.

[Knight-Errant]

marine, I think you're quoting biased sources if you're invoking AVS forums in this discussion.

They're infamously biased towards HD DVD and have been since the beginning.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by marine92104

according to your scoresheet you get from different places. I do check reviews but I don't put alot of faith in reviewers unless I know what type of equipment they have. If it's of a lesser quality than what I have (which most of the time it is) I take it with a grain of salt.

The equipment on High Def is

Video Displays:
- Sony KDS-R70XBR2 70" LCoS 1080P HDTV [via HDMI] (11/12/06 - present)
- HP Pavilion MD6580N 65" DLP Rear-Projector (4/18/06 - 11/12/06)
- Toshiba 65H81 65" CRT Rear-Projector

HD DVD Players:
- Toshiba HD-XA1 [via HDMI] (get yours at Value Electronics, our preferred electronics supplier)
- Microsoft Xbox 360 HD DVD Player (used for comparison purposes only)

Blu-ray Players:
- Samsung BD-P1000 (via HDMI)
- Sony PlayStation 3 60Gb Blu-ray Player [via HDMI]

Sound Processors / Amplification:
- Pioneer Elite VSX-81TXV 7.1CH Dolby Digital/DTS A/V Receiver (11/12/06 - present) - Denon AVR-1803 A/V Dolby Digital/DTS Surround Processor (4/18/06 - 12/10/06)


Speakers:
- M&K S-150THX Left, Center, and Right
- M&K SS-150 Left, Right Surrounds
- M&K S-100B EX Center Surround
- M&K MX-200 Subwoofer

The equipment on Home Theater Spot is

Reference Review System:

Sony VPL-VW50 SXRD 1080p High Definition Front Projector
Dalite High Contrast Cinemavision 92" screen
Oppo 970HD universal disc DVD Player (480i HDMI)
Toshiba HD-A1 HD DVD Player (HDMI Audio/Video)
Panasonic DMP-BD10 Blu-ray disc Player (HDMI Audio/Video)
Anthem AVM-50 THX Ultra 2 Preamp/Video Processor
Outlaw Audio Model 990 A/V Controller
Outlaw Audio Model 7700 seven channel amplifier
B&K Reference 200.7 Series 2 seven Channel amplifier
Canton "Ergo" Series speakers
Axiom Audio QS8 Quadpolar speakers
SV Sounds 20-39 PC Plus (12.3 Driver)
Monster Power HTS 5100 Signature Series line conditioner/surge suppressor
Canare, Esoteric, Wireworld, Audioquest, Bettercables, Best Deal Cables - Cabling

Originally Posted by marine92104

I remember Doby you saying that Warner is going to start releasing their titles in Blu-Ray with uncompressed sound. Where did you get this information? No one else or any website I have found stated that? I hope they do but that's the 1st I've heard of it.

Unfortunately I'm not able to discuss that, but rest assured it is the case and will become apparent over the next few months.

[goodstuff]

Yep, I think the PCM track on the Soprano's set is a sneak peek (Warner owns HBO)

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by marine92104

I live in Southern California. If you check the Hidefdigest forum & AVSforum alot of people are having the same experience when they go to retail stores.

The HDDVD Fanboy forums...yes.

I was hoping since I purchased the Panasonic Blu-Ray player to go along with my Toshiba player that it would get more use.

This how the troll posts always start out.

I wish more companies would use VC-1 encoding. In my experience it gives a sharper & more consistent picture. Hopefully with Disney using it for Flightplan more companies will start using it.

Here we go again

At Fry's & BestBuy here most of the Blu-Ray movies are $5 to $10 more a title on an average than the HD-DVD titles. Most of the HD-DVD titles at Fry's was $19.99 each.

WRONG!!! actually, title released for both formats are either cheaper on Blu-Ray or the same price. You can only compare apples to apples. You can't compare "Casino-Universal" which is HDDVD to "Transporter-FOX" which is exclusive to BD.
The combo disc versions of Firewall, AntBUlly, ATL, 16Blocks etc are all easily $5 more on HDDVD than the BD versions.

Seriously at Fry's & BestBuy they had been ransacked thru & there were alot of titles missing.

At the two Best Buys in my area, and the Frys here I noticed alot of out of stock titles or down to 1 copy in Blu-Ray...HDDVD seems like it's business as usual...which isnt saying much.

I took time to talk with managers at both stores & they told me that the Blu-Ray movies weren't moving but the HD-DVD titles big titles were hard to keep in stock.

As a supervisor at Best Buy I can tell you that the "managers" probably know the least about which software format is selling better than the other. Seniors and Supervisors are the ones that would know, as they monitor the subclasses and deal with the customers. And I can tell you that in My socal locations it's quite the opposite of what you describe; IE HDDVD far outselling BD=BS.

I'm not against Blu-Ray at all. I wouldn't have bought the Panasonic player if I was. As far as the sound goes it's not a huge difference in the uncompressed LCPM vs sound on a HD-DVD. It does sound better & I have a great sound system.

Your losing credibility by the sentance...read the quote in my sig. If you don't think LPCM 5.1 isn't Far superior to DD+ & TruHD you need to get your ears examined. But IMO this post bears a striking resemblance to many a HDDVD fanboy troll post. We've seen this type of post, hundreds if not thousands of times already.

I'm glad the PQ caught up according to your scoresheet you get from different places. I do check reviews but I don't put alot of faith in reviewers unless I know what type of equipment they have. If it's of a lesser quality than what I have (which most of the time it is) I take it with a grain of salt.

SO what exactly do you have thats so much more glorious than the reviewers? I'd like to see pics of your "Set-up" along with the panny blu-ray you say you have.

I can only go on what I see with my setup. I'm glad the PQ got better this year. Hopefully next year we'll see an overall better PQ on all movies & uncompressed sound on each picture. Encoding has so much to do with PQ & some companies need to understand that.

I think any issues there were got resolved back in june/july. Everything from pretty much August & on has been 4-5 stars.

I'd just like to see the prices the same on both formats. You have to remember for this not to be a niche format the average consumer has to buy into this & the average consumer is going to take the cheaper price regardless of format or quality. It doesn't matter how many studios or movies you have if your price is higher the average consumer wants the lowest price. It's happened time & time again.

$499 ps3, $499 HD-A2 ok? next.... $1000 BDP-S1, $1000 HD-XA2?
These product will be niche for atleast 1-2 more years, dont kid yourself any differently.

I remember Doby you saying that Warner is going to start releasing their titles in Blu-Ray with uncompressed sound. Where did you get this information? No one else or any website I have found stated that? I hope they do but that's the 1st I've heard of it.

Sopranos box set has already done so. Uncompressed LPCM 5.1 the HDDVD set has DD+

[JTK]

Brian: You must be copying and pasting from a Word Document by now since you've shot down the same trollish misinformation countless times by now.

[theknub]

i was thinking about posting something about us having forum members who will really atest to sales of software but knew brian would be here sooner than later.

[marine92104]

Brian you can call me a troll if you want to. That's fine. I haven't said anything against anyone on this forum.

Thanks Doby for listing the equipment on the different sites you frequent. You're a nice person that gives alot of information.

As far as misinformation & talking to the wrong people, the guy I was talking to is the supervisor at Fry's that does inventory for the movie department. I took it he would know what he was talking about since he did the weekly inventory on titles. I'm not sure who else would have better info.

I appreciate people like Doby that gives information & has something to back it up with. It's a learning experience for everyone with HD-DVD & Blu-Ray.

It does surprise me that the moderators of this forum allows someone like Brian to verbally attack people that give their opinions.

I'm not a HD-DVD fanboy. I truly own both machines a Toshiba & a Panasonic. I enjoy both of them.

If you work at BestBuy I know an employee at BestBuy & he told me they were pushing Blu-Ray to make more money off the product. Whatever they want to do is fine with me. I bought my Panasonic player from another company because of that.

I'm not in the retail end to make money off a customer. My purpose for asking questions about products selling & so forth was to ask other people's opinions. I haven't verbally sparred with anyone like you did nor has anyone back.

That was not my intention. I personally like VC-1 encoding if it is done right. That is just my preference. If MPEG-2 is encoded right & gives the same picture I have no problem with that either.

I have 17 HD-DVD movies & 15 Blu-Ray movies so I think it would be hard to call me a HD-DVD fanboy.

I just gave an honest opinon I think the Blu-Ray studios need to come down on their pricing for the "average" consumer for the format to become widely popular. I can't wait until CES to see what titles will become available next year in HD. It's an exciting time to be in home theater.

Sorry for your sake you took me the wrong way. I didn't realize it was wrong to hope the studios come down on their pricing soon so more people will start buying the product so the format will really take off.

As far as equipment goes I have the Pioneer Elite Pro730HDI & the Pioneer Flagship Receiver along with their reference speakers (6 towers & center speaker). I'm going to wait for Pioneer Elite's 2nd generation Blu-Ray player. I went with the Panasonic since they promised the advanced codec firmware update in the box. I'm sure the 2nd generation Pioneer Elite will have that out of the box. So yes I do have a Blu-Ray player & have bought 15 Blu-Ray movies & counting.

Sorry for you to be wrong on that. If you'd care to list your equipment that would be cool also.

Care to list your equipment?

[Blue]

Originally Posted by marine92104

Sorry for your sake you took me the wrong way.

I think maybe it was you that led people to take you the wrong way. So far all your posts have been incorrect information about the Pioneer release date, concern about the same player not having HDMI 1.3 and the price differential of HD-DVD. Once you start using a couple of sources well known for their anti blu ray propaganda, I think the conclusion a number of people jumped to is fairly obvious. Out of all your posts that I have looked at not one positive thing to say except HD-DVD tiles are cheaper. Remember if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck - well it most probably is a duck.