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Clark Kent · 11-29-2007, 09:38 PM

Universal almost definitely got "considerations" from Toshiba to be Hd Dvd exclusive. My guess is that their getting a cut of the lucrative royalties from Toshiba, hence their motivation to keep the format afloat. It's why I don't believe Universal would go neutral until it is all but obvious that HD DVD is dead. Without Universal dumping a ton of catalog titles in 2007(which most looked very poor btw) Hd Dvd would have been even further behind in release numbers than it is now.

quexos · 11-29-2007, 10:07 PM

It seems the numbers for November 25th are known: 73 / 27 give or take a fraction. So why not add them now

sj001 · 11-29-2007, 10:23 PM

Toshiba just can't win, they pay people off (or M$ does), or give stuff away, but they still can't make inroads, gotta love it.

Whytewash · 11-29-2007, 10:29 PM

One thing that I will say about Universal is that if they go Blu Exclusive or at least neutral, they better get there act together. They have many piss poor PQ/AQ releases!

richteer · 11-29-2007, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whytewash

One thing that I will say about Universal is that if they go Blu Exclusive or at least neutral, they better get there act together. They have many piss poor PQ/AQ releases!

Amen to that!

Innerloop · 11-30-2007, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whytewash

One thing that I will say about Universal is that if they go Blu Exclusive or at least neutral, they better get there act together. They have many piss poor PQ/AQ releases!

I would attribute that mainly to the low capacity and low throughput on HD-DVD

Hopefully if they see the light and come on over, they'll push the BD-50s like Fox and Disney do (and Warner doesn't).

marzetta7 · 11-30-2007, 12:44 AM

CES will be interesting! Mark my words!

I'm just simply of the opinion that if Warner is truly watching the 4th quarter closely as they said they were and is of a consumer-oriented mind, I think they'll be making a Blu-ray exclusive decision come CES 2008...barring any bribes from Microshaft, of course. But even then, I simply think Warner has to have considered the ramifications of deciding to go HD DVD exclusive--a niche market in a perpetual stalemate and would potentially cause Warner to lose billions of dollars in lost sales due to singe-handily destroying the high-def market.

From a studio perspective, I don't think that is what is in their best interests overall, and why they simply haven't gone HD DVD exclusive, or ever will.

Seretur · 11-30-2007, 12:46 AM

Innerloop -- Yeah, but then they would need to reencode their transfers to a higher bandwidth, and with Warner, the overall HDM front-runner, not even bothering to do that, how could Uni justify the expense?

We might have to do with low bitrate crap for the first year or so, once the good people of Universal make the decision.

And that will be one of the more bitter casualties of this particular war.

WickyWoo · 11-30-2007, 01:40 AM

The plan is absolutely to reissue their current HD compressions on Blu. You'll have to wait for reissues for Blu-specific

Uxi · 11-30-2007, 01:48 AM

We could at least get PCM tracks out of it and extras as well on a single disc. Double dips are inevitable anyway.

I know I would consider a BD50 of King Kong if it included a PCM track and all the extras from the DVD releases, even though extras themselves don't mean that much to me (at least in the context of the format war). Initially I have no doubt we would get the same encodes with their interlacing flags released (remember all HDDVDs have these flags to output the 1080i60 as mandated by the HDDVD spec).

Great numbers, though. This is just the beginning. The next month should see the complete butt whooping of HD-DUD.

xradman · 11-30-2007, 02:44 AM

The rankings are out.

For Blu-ray

1. Live Free or Die Hard
2. Open Season (huh???)
3. Spider-Man 3
4. Ratatouille
5. Hairspray
6. Ocean's Thirteen
7. Santa Clause 3
8. 300
9. Die Hard Collection
10. Planet Earth

For HD DVD

1. Shrek The Third
2. Transformers
3. Planet Earth
4. Ocean's Thirteen
5. Star Trek: TOS
6. 300
7. Knocked Up
8. Chuck & Larry
9. The Departed
10. Shooter

Weekly Ranking according to Nielsen Videoscan

ryoohki · 11-30-2007, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xradman

The rankings are out.

For Blu-ray

1. Live Free or Die Hard
2. Open Season (huh???)
3. Spider-Man 3
4. Ratatouille
5. Hairspray
6. Ocean's Thirteen
7. Santa Clause 3
8. 300
9. Die Hard Collection
10. Planet Earth

For HD DVD

1. Shrek The Third
2. Transformers
3. Planet Earth
4. Ocean's Thirteen
5. Star Trek: TOS
6. 300
7. Knocked Up
8. Chuck & Larry
9. The Departed
10. Shooter

Weekly Ranking according to Nielsen Videoscan

This shows you how crappy catalog title sells....

blu2 · 11-30-2007, 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xradman

The rankings are out.

For Blu-ray

2. Open Season (huh???)
Weekly Ranking according to Nielsen Videoscan

That's perplexing to say the least. A mistake?

I would wait to see what Home Media Magazine publishes in the next issue to be sure.

xradman · 11-30-2007, 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xradman

The rankings are out.

For Blu-ray

1. Live Free or Die Hard
2. Open Season (huh???)
3. Spider-Man 3
4. Ratatouille
5. Hairspray
6. Ocean's Thirteen
7. Santa Clause 3
8. 300
9. Die Hard Collection
10. Planet Earth

For HD DVD

1. Shrek The Third
2. Transformers
3. Planet Earth
4. Ocean's Thirteen
5. Star Trek: TOS
6. 300
7. Knocked Up
8. Chuck & Larry
9. The Departed
10. Shooter

Weekly Ranking according to Nielsen Videoscan

Can anyone explain how Open Season ended up second best selling Blu-ray this week, ahead of Spider-Man 3 and Ratatouille?

Steverhcp02 · 11-30-2007, 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xradman

Can anyone explain how Open Season ended up second best selling Blu-ray this week, ahead of Spider-Man 3 and Ratatouille?

Best Buy packaged it with the 40 gb PS3.

Joe Cain · 11-30-2007, 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steverhcp02

Best Buy packaged it with the 40 gb PS3.

Which speaks volumes for Best Buy's share of the HDM market, doesn't it?

Not to mention how many PS3s were sold?

blu2 · 11-30-2007, 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Cain

Which speaks volumes for Best Buy's share of the HDM market, doesn't it?

Not to mention how many PS3s were sold?

HMM should have the ratios out tomorrow, so assuming Die Hard sold ~100K, it should be possible to estimate Best Buys 40G PS3 sales for the week. (If the ~100K was based on Neilsen data)

DetroitSportsFan · 11-30-2007, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Cain

Which speaks volumes for Best Buy's share of the HDM market, doesn't it?

Not to mention how many PS3s were sold?

Yes, that's very encouraging. Best Buy must have moved a huge number of PS3s.

xradman · 11-30-2007, 03:13 AM

My guess is everything in that list is going to be in single to teens digits percentage wise on Blu-ray side, and sold numbers on HD DVD sides are going to be 2,000 to 15,000 each. Pitiful results for HDM in general.

stockstar1138 · 11-30-2007, 03:34 AM

well vgcharts (i know, not perfect at all) is reporting PS3 sold 174k last week, so i'd expect bby to maybe to have sold 15-20% of those, so the open season numbers should be 35kish. die hard is around 100k, so blu is at 135k right there I figure everything else on that list did between 8k-15k, so for the week blu-ray did around 200k. Which means HD DVD did about 70k. 70:200 is looking pretty bad for hd dvd.

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11-29-2007, 09:38 PM	#6341
Clark Kent Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Metropolis Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:184	Universal almost definitely got "considerations" from Toshiba to be Hd Dvd exclusive. My guess is that their getting a cut of the lucrative royalties from Toshiba, hence their motivation to keep the format afloat. It's why I don't believe Universal would go neutral until it is all but obvious that HD DVD is dead. Without Universal dumping a ton of catalog titles in 2007(which most looked very poor btw) Hd Dvd would have been even further behind in release numbers than it is now.

11-29-2007, 10:07 PM	#6342
quexos Banned Member since:May 2007 Location:Brussels, Belgium	It seems the numbers for November 25th are known: 73 / 27 give or take a fraction. So why not add them now

11-29-2007, 10:23 PM	#6343
sj001 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Rochester, NY Blu-ray collection:317 DVD collection:17 Trading Score:5	Toshiba just can't win, they pay people off (or M$ does), or give stuff away, but they still can't make inroads, gotta love it.

11-29-2007, 10:29 PM	#6344
Whytewash Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:'Couve, WA Blu-ray collection:60 Blu-ray reviews:1	One thing that I will say about Universal is that if they go Blu Exclusive or at least neutral, they better get there act together. They have many piss poor PQ/AQ releases!

11-30-2007, 12:44 AM	#6347
marzetta7 Special Member Member since:Feb 2006	CES will be interesting! Mark my words! I'm just simply of the opinion that if Warner is truly watching the 4th quarter closely as they said they were and is of a consumer-oriented mind, I think they'll be making a Blu-ray exclusive decision come CES 2008...barring any bribes from Microshaft, of course. But even then, I simply think Warner has to have considered the ramifications of deciding to go HD DVD exclusive--a niche market in a perpetual stalemate and would potentially cause Warner to lose billions of dollars in lost sales due to singe-handily destroying the high-def market. From a studio perspective, I don't think that is what is in their best interests overall, and why they simply haven't gone HD DVD exclusive, or ever will.

11-30-2007, 12:46 AM	#6348
Seretur Special Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:An Island in the Adriatic Blu-ray collection:521 Blu-ray reviews:5 Trading Score:2	Innerloop -- Yeah, but then they would need to reencode their transfers to a higher bandwidth, and with Warner, the overall HDM front-runner, not even bothering to do that, how could Uni justify the expense? We might have to do with low bitrate crap for the first year or so, once the good people of Universal make the decision. And that will be one of the more bitter casualties of this particular war.

11-30-2007, 01:40 AM	#6349
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	The plan is absolutely to reissue their current HD compressions on Blu. You'll have to wait for reissues for Blu-specific

11-30-2007, 01:48 AM	#6350
Uxi Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Southern California 4K collection:14 Blu-ray collection:191 Blu-ray reviews:9	We could at least get PCM tracks out of it and extras as well on a single disc. Double dips are inevitable anyway. I know I would consider a BD50 of King Kong if it included a PCM track and all the extras from the DVD releases, even though extras themselves don't mean that much to me (at least in the context of the format war). Initially I have no doubt we would get the same encodes with their interlacing flags released (remember all HDDVDs have these flags to output the 1080i60 as mandated by the HDDVD spec). Great numbers, though. This is just the beginning. The next month should see the complete butt whooping of HD-DUD.

11-30-2007, 02:44 AM	#6351
xradman Power Member Top contributor Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Northern VA SteelBooks™ Owned : 341 Home Theater Gallery:11 Blu-ray collection:356 Blu-ray reviews:20 Trading Score:22	The rankings are out. For Blu-ray 1. Live Free or Die Hard 2. Open Season (huh???) 3. Spider-Man 3 4. Ratatouille 5. Hairspray 6. Ocean's Thirteen 7. Santa Clause 3 8. 300 9. Die Hard Collection 10. Planet Earth For HD DVD 1. Shrek The Third 2. Transformers 3. Planet Earth 4. Ocean's Thirteen 5. Star Trek: TOS 6. 300 7. Knocked Up 8. Chuck & Larry 9. The Departed 10. Shooter Weekly Ranking according to Nielsen Videoscan

11-30-2007, 03:13 AM	#6359
xradman Power Member Top contributor Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Northern VA SteelBooks™ Owned : 341 Home Theater Gallery:11 Blu-ray collection:356 Blu-ray reviews:20 Trading Score:22	My guess is everything in that list is going to be in single to teens digits percentage wise on Blu-ray side, and sold numbers on HD DVD sides are going to be 2,000 to 15,000 each. Pitiful results for HDM in general.

11-30-2007, 03:34 AM	#6360
stockstar1138 Banned Member since:Apr 2007	well vgcharts (i know, not perfect at all) is reporting PS3 sold 174k last week, so i'd expect bby to maybe to have sold 15-20% of those, so the open season numbers should be 35kish. die hard is around 100k, so blu is at 135k right there I figure everything else on that list did between 8k-15k, so for the week blu-ray did around 200k. Which means HD DVD did about 70k. 70:200 is looking pretty bad for hd dvd.

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