81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[marzetta7]

Here ya guys go...

[stockstar1138]

anybody else impressed with ratatouille and spiderman 3 sales. it looks like these are going to be very strong throughout the xmas season selling 25-35k a week. blu-ray easily did over 200k this week, its really going to be intresting to see what they do the week of 12/4. i predicted 250k eariler, but after seeing these numbers i think its going to be more like 300k. if hd dvd only manages 75k that week (very likely) we WILL see 80:20.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

well, you gotta figure pirates will be about as popular as spidey, but also remember over a quarter of a million more ps3s have been sold since spidey too, so pirates doing 150k sounds about right. superbad will do around 40k, it hasn't been doing well on amazon and outside of the 17-25 year old PS3 user it won't do very well. remember knocked up did 17k for hd dvd, so double that and add a little more cause SB was funnier. right there we got 190k. residuals from this week will push us to around 220k. the rest of the catalog will push us to around 250k. given hd dvd performs like the black friday week, which was around 75k most likely its going to be 250k:75k which is going to give us 77:23. 80 is going to be hard to break. ppl need to realize that the higher we go up in numbers, the harder it is to keep going up. to go from 50:50 to 67:33 (34% higher % points) means selling twice as many, to jump up to 75:25 (16% higher % points) means we gotta be able to do three times as much. and to push things to 80:20, only 10% points higher than 75:25 we gotta be able to do 4 times as many. i highly doubt we will see 80:20 and expect hd dvd to throw a sale.

Yep, I've made this point many times when people throw out these huge hopes. You get to a point where marginal % gains just aren't very likely unless HD-DVD were to totally collapse. The same point applies to the YTD and SI numbers... they get harder to move both as you get higher and as you add more time because the embedded volume is so large.

[GregBlu5]

Originally Posted by darkblueme

Source: http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...0207/index.php

Another good deal is that Ocean's 13 was a Warner release in both formats, yet only the Blu-ray made it into the consolidated Top 10. And, as I posted earlier, Hairspray was also distributed by Warners (even if it's New Line). I just wish I could get my Ocean's gift set and Hairspray copies from Warners since they've both been on pre-order since September.

-Greg

[BluOgre]

My professional opinion as a buyer for a Blockbuster franchise on this Harry Potter selling more on HD than BR is complete non-sense.

I've been buying DVD sell thru for the past 8 years and I can tell you in my experience big titles will sell, it doesn't matter if there was big releases the prior week. There are titles that do suffer but those are titles like Hot Rod, I Know Who Killed Me, Arctic Tale, Star Dust, Underdog, ect... Those titles all suffer IMMENSLY when going against huge blockbuster titles. A blockbuster title going against another blockbuster title doesn't really mean anything.

In the end, if HD does infact outsell BR with the new Harry Potter movie it will be due the firesale of all the new HD players and not this mythical "people don't have enough money to buy the big titles". People ALWAYS have enough money to buy the big titles, it's the little ones that suffer.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

I believe as well the set will sell better on blu, but that warner cares more about the set I don't. I think they are trying to assess the overall future impact on both sides.

Warner does not have to judge things using the Nielsen's for their own movies like HP; They will just look at total revenues for Blu v HD-DVD. Box set or invdividual won't really matter to them. They will look at Nielsen and units for other studios though.

[Scorxpion]

Spontaneous ,fantastic and Wonderful


Welcome all of you in BD world.

Just give up HD-DVD you are loosing and HD-DVD is already dead i have said it before and i will say it again HD-DVD is dead

i recommend and highly recommend LG and Samsung to revise their plan for Dual player believe me is a failure .Nobody will buy them

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by GarettP

It may not be the boxset that they care about, but the sales of the BD version vs. HD-DVD, since they are supposedly watching the Q4 sales of bothe.

Yes, but for their own releases they don't care about units, they will define sales as revenue. That is how companies define revenue. Nielsen and such use units as a proxy because that's what they get. WB doesn't have to worry about box set or not in terms of the format war, just rev $$ by format.

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by GregBlu5

Another good deal is that Ocean's 13 was a Warner release in both formats, yet only the Blu-ray made it into the consolidated Top 10. And, as I posted earlier, Hairspray was also distributed by Warners (even if it's New Line). I just wish I could get my Ocean's gift set and Hairspray copies from Warners since they've both been on pre-order since September.

While it's good to see "Hairspray" so popular on the charts (since it helps dispel the PS3/gamer demographic argument that keeps popping up... unless gamers really go for John Travolta in drag), since it was only released on Blu-ray, it's not anything special.

"Ocean's 13" however is slightly different thanks to the fact that it was dual-format, and while both versions were on the Top 10 last week, only the Blu-ray copy made it to the Top 10 this week (even though it was in the Top 5 for HD DVD again this week!).

~Alan

[The Big Blue]

Ocean's 13 16.73
Ocean's 13 10.08

credit to zombieflanders

[The Don]

Originally Posted by marzetta7

Here ya guys go...

short, sweet and to the point...

not a bunch of technical mumbo jumbo that J6P won't understand...

but J6P understands an asswhuppin when he see's it...

[MrBogey]

Wow, Shrek fell below the Rat. Talk about not having legs.

Looks like HD DVD has to pray that Transformers, 300, and Shrek have enough clout to let them coast to January without getting wholoped too badly.

[The Don]

so pretty much..Open Season sold 1 copy for every 2 copies of LFoDH and that puts Open Season around 40-45k sold for that week...

not too shabby for a long lasting catalog title

[The Don]

Originally Posted by MrBogey

Wow, Shrek fell below the Rat. Talk about not having legs.

Looks like HD DVD has to pray that Transformers, 300, and Shrek have enough clout to let them coast to January without getting wholoped too badly.

you might call it not having legs...I call it going from red to purple...

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

If a studio chooses format X because it will sell more discs for releases, then that is a tactical decision.

If they choose format X because they think it will lead to the most profitable mid and long term market for their product, then that is a strategic decision.

The HDM market is too small for tactical decisions.

An example of a tactical decision that is made: Whether to release a widescreen AND full screen disc. The decision is entirely about sales of the title.

Gary

The scope of your strategic decision is too small, ignores the direct relationship between tactical and strategic and fails to contemplate WB's direct impact on the format vis-a-vis the tactical data. If one format were to outsell the other 3:1 thru the holiday season then WB could foreseeably believe that they directly can end the war thereby dramatically cutting production & marketing costs to maximize profit. This strategic decision stems directly from the tactical elements of today's HDM market.

To pretend that the tactical is too immaterial to matter in a strategic context is flawed.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by sj001

Very nice! Looks like the YTD and SI moved up 1 each too, extra nice!

YTD was already 65:35. Only SI moved.

[MrBogey]

The lack of a huge drop-off between the rankings intrigues me. It seems like the formats are stabilizing and sales are becoming more regular across the board.

If that's the case then HD DVD is done as they're still not able to get blue below 2:1. In boxing 2 wins and a tie doesn't equal a tie. Europe and Japan are blue... so too will the US.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by Fozziwig

Yes it should. So now we know that HMM simply chop off the decimal places and don't bother rounding up or down!

I wonder if they do the same thing with YTD and SI?

That's lazy, sad and disappointing. Published stats have to round or else you ALWAYS benefit the losing side.

BTW I'm angry not as a blu-ray guy but as a Director of Financial Analysis... hate misleading stats.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by Steverhcp02

40gb PS3

shhhh.... remember PS3 does not matter.... shhhh

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by The Don

not a bunch of technical mumbo jumbo that J6P won't understand...

but J6P understands an asswhuppin when he see's it...

But... does J6P read Home Media Magazine?

~Alan