2025-2026 College Football Thread

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

While we are railing against how corrupt the current system is, I would love to see Ohio State go undefeated and get their asses kicked in the title game. Not because I want to see a bad title game, but to show how poorly the BCS works as a system for determining the national championship.

You may be right, but we've already seen Ohio St. get their asses kicked two years in a row (2006-07) in national title games and it did nothign to further the cause of a real playoff system. My nightmare scenario is a Boise St. vs. Ohio St. national title game and Boise winning. Then we'd hear a full year of the "experts" raving about how fair and just the BCS system is now that a small conference school won a national championship.

[supersix4]

And worse if they get to play an overrated non Big 12/SEC team then we here how amazing OSU is... Thats worse then Boise winning in my op

[PrivatePixel]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

While we are railing against how corrupt the current system is, I would love to see Ohio State go undefeated and get their asses kicked in the title game. Not because I want to see a bad title game, but to show how poorly the BCS works as a system for determining the national championship.

In a perfect world, common sense would set in and change would be pondered, but it's a system driven purely by revenue (how else can one explain all of the pointless Bowl games??), so the status quo will be protected and remain in effect until someone devises a different system that will protect the revenue stream without it having an adverse effect on public perception over who should be ranked as the national champion.

The flaws of the BCS system were highlighted last season with Boise State, when sentimental favourites Texas and Florida were ranked ahead of them. The BCS rankings will be out shortly and Boise State is pegged with a #1 ranking, which doesn't address the injustice of last season, but it conveys the notion that some wrongs have been set right in the eyes of the public. It may provide some comfort to the Broncos' fans / supporters, but it won't change the fact that something better than the BCS needs to be implemented for determining a definitive national champion.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by PrivatePixel

In a perfect world, common sense would set in and change would be pondered, but it's a system driven purely by revenue (how else can one explain all of the pointless Bowl games??), so the status quo will be protected and remain in effect until someone devises a different system that will protect the revenue stream without it having an adverse effect on public perception over who should be ranked as the national champion.

The flaws of the BCS system were highlighted last season with Boise State, when sentimental favourites Texas and Florida were ranked ahead of them. The BCS rankings will be out shortly and Boise State is pegged with a #1 ranking, which doesn't address the injustice of last season, but it conveys the notion that some wrongs have been set right in the eyes of the public. It may provide some comfort to the Broncos' fans / supporters, but it won't change the fact that something better than the BCS needs to be implemented for determining a definitive national champion.

Which makes no sense to me. If the motive is pure profits how on earth would an 8 or 16 team playoff plus Bowl games for the remaining teams generate less revenue than the current system? If anything it would seem that sort of system would generate substantially more money for everyone.

Right now the only games people even watch are the national title game, the Rose Bowl and maybe a few other BCS games. In an 8 team playoff you'd have at least 7 meaningful games. In a 16 team playoff there would be 15 meaningful games. And you could still keep all those other garbage bowls that nobody watches anyway.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

Which makes no sense to me. If the motive is pure profits how on earth would an 8 or 16 team playoff plus Bowl games for the remaining teams generate less revenue than the current system? If anything it would seem that sort of system would generate substantially more money for everyone.

Right now the only games people even watch are the national title game, the Rose Bowl and maybe a few other BCS games. In an 8 team playoff you'd have at least 7 meaningful games. In a 16 team playoff there would be 15 meaningful games. And you could still keep all those other garbage bowls that nobody watches anyway.

I think the Bowl system is two fold, both to generate ad/TV revenue(ha!) and to give the middle tier teams something to point to and say they achieved, although nobody remembers who plays in the little Bowls.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

I think the Bowl system is two fold, both to generate ad/TV revenue(ha!) and to give the middle tier teams something to point to and say they achieved, although nobody remembers who plays in the little Bowls.

You could keep the meaningless bowls even with a playoff. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

But honestly I can't see how these garbage bowls are very profitable. My school Central Florida played in the St. Pete Bowl last year whcih was played less than 100 miles from the campus and less than 30,000 fans showed for the game. That's far lower than the avrage home attendence for UCF. And the payout was $1 mill which is peanuts by college football standards.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

You could keep the meaningless bowls even with a playoff. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

But honestly I can't see how these garbage bowls are very profitable. My school Central Florida played in the St. Pete Bowl last year whcih was played less than 100 miles from the campus and less than 30,000 fans showed for the game. That's far lower than the avrage home attendence for UCF.

I think it's just a lot of time, you'd probably have to air the play-offs and the bowl games at the same time to get them done before the NFL post-season and the truth is in a situation like that, a lot of people will simply ignore the little bowls, even the people who would normally watch them.

[The Big Blue]

Just stopping in to laugh at Saban.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by The Big Blue

Just stopping in to laugh at Saban.

You mean the Saban who joined Pop Warner as the only other coach to win a national championship at two different schools

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by supersix4

You mean the Saban who joined Pop Warner as the only other coach to win a national championship at two different schools

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDbF5WdOfmM

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDbF5WdOfmM

Yeah it was a wicked dbag thing to do, but I don't know how anyone can argue his skill as a coach and recruiter.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDbF5WdOfmM

I grew up rooting for the Dolphins and I have no problem at all with what Saban did. It's a business. Being head coach at Alabama is a far better job than any NFL head coaching position. I never hear any sympathy for head coaches when they up and get fired out of the blue after working hard for years at their job. I don't have any sympathy for teams when a coach ditches them.

And the biggest d-bag in that video isn't Saban, it's Wayne Huizenga who badly mismanaged both the Dolphina and Marlins for many years.

[PrivatePixel]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

You could keep the meaningless bowls even with a playoff. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

I don't see how, unless each of the lower-tier Bowl games represent one of the earlier playoff round games. The rate of attrition among the players will increase exponentially with the addition of another game to their schedule; it has to be a playoff system or some revamped system involving Bowl games: you can't have both.

But honestly I can't see how these garbage bowls are very profitable. My school Central Florida played in the St. Pete Bowl last year whcih was played less than 100 miles from the campus and less than 30,000 fans showed for the game. That's far lower than the avrage home attendence for UCF. And the payout was $1 mill which is peanuts by college football standards.

It doesn't have to be very profitable; the sponsor of the respective Bowl game just needs to earn enough to ensure that they can keep doing this year after year. Bowl game tickets aren't cheap, and even with a modest turnout of under 30,000, plus concessions, merchandising, arrangements with local establishments, etc., a tidy profit can be earned by even the most insignificant Bowl game. At the end of the day, a million dollars is still a million dollars.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by PrivatePixel

I don't see how, unless each of the lower-tier Bowl games represent one of the earlier playoff round games. The rate of attrition among the players will increase exponentially with the addition of another game to their schedule; it has to be a playoff system or some revamped system involving Bowl games: you can't have both.

Why can't you have both? You have 8 or 16 teams in a playoff, probably 8, and then have the crappy bowls for the schools that don't make the playoff. Most of the lesser bowl games already happen on different days of the week as it is now. You could have say, the quarterfinals on a Saturday and then have the junk bowl games sprinkled in on the weekdays in between the playoff games. There's nothing impossible about it really.

[PrivatePixel]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

Why can't you have both? You have 8 or 16 teams in a playoff, probably 8, and then have the crappy bowls for the schools that don't make the playoff.

I despise the multiple Bowl system in place. In my eyes, they are little more than consolation prizes for showing up and putting in a half-hearted effort to lay claim to some sort of corporate-endorsed trophy at day's end. Given the sheer number of schools and divisions involved, devising a system to determine a single national champion among hundreds of participants is impossible, which may be why so many pointless Bowl games persist to this day, i.e. as soon as one becomes defunct (e.g. Aloha Bowl), another one steps in to fill the void (e.g. New Orleans Bowl).

What I do like is the idea of a 16-team playoff, i.e. have the conference champions within the Bowl Alliance compete against each other (determined through a draw) until two finalists are arrived at.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by PrivatePixel

I despise the multiple Bowl system in place. In my eyes, they are little more than consolation prizes for showing up and putting in a half-hearted effort to lay claim to some sort of corporate-endorsed trophy at day's end. Given the sheer number of schools and divisions involved, devising a system to determine a single national champion among hundreds of participants is impossible, which may be why so many pointless Bowl games persist to this day, i.e. as soon as one becomes defunct (e.g. Aloha Bowl), another one steps in to fill the void (e.g. New Orleans Bowl).

What I do like is the idea of a 16-team playoff, i.e. have the conference champions within the Bowl Alliance compete against each other (determined through a draw) until two finalists are arrived at.

The Bowls have expanded greatly over the last dozen or so years. It used to be very hard for smaller programs to even make a Bowl game. My school UCF went 9-2 back in 1998 as an independent with the best player in school history Daunte Culpepper at QB and still managed to get snubbed out of playing in any Bowl game. It's ridiculous these days. You can go 6-6 and make a Bowl.

[fatediesel]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

It's ridiculous these days. You can go 6-6 and make a Bowl.

With how many bowl games there are now it's possible a team with a losing record could make a bowl. There are 35 bowl games, meaning 70 teams must go 6-6 or better. Last year there were only 71 teams that went 6-6 or better, including USC, which is ineligible for a bowl this year, so it's not out of the question for there to be fewer than 70 teams with a winning record. I would like it if a 5-7 team made a bowl just to prove how pointless bowls have become. I miss the old days when there were only around 15 bowls so it actually meant something to make a bowl.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

The Bowls have expanded greatly over the last dozen or so years. It used to be very hard for smaller programs to even make a Bowl game. My school UCF went 9-2 back in 1998 as an independent with the best player in school history Daunte Culpepper at QB and still managed to get snubbed out of playing in any Bowl game. It's ridiculous these days. You can go 6-6 and make a Bowl.

LOL I remember when NMSU went 5-5 awhile back and they were mad because they weren't invited to the New Mexico Bowl.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by fatediesel

I miss the old days when there were only around 15 bowls so it actually meant something to make a bowl.

Not to mention the bowls were more respected they weren't the "Papa Johns, BG&E pizza Bowl"

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by supersix4

Not to mention the bowls were more respected they weren't the "Papa Johns, BG&E pizza Bowl"

Now now Papa John's is the official pizza of the Dallas Cowboys, every time they score a touchdown at home you get another free topping on your pizza, Dallas area only of course. Just wait eventual there will be 100 bowls and then people will just watch the 2 that actually matter and ignore the rest unless their team is playing in one.