Halloween III (2011)

[Lambagus]

Alright...where do we go from here? We had a reboot just 3 years ago that pissed off alot of the fans of the original series but also created a new fan base of younger people who weren't alive when most of the original Halloween films were made. Here is what we do know:

1. Rob Zombie will not return

2. The plan was to shoot Halloween III (2011) in 3D but the project was scrapped so who knows if 3D is still the plan. (I personally think if it is in 3D we will get a rushed film that uses 3D to get people to come see it)

Does Weinstein reboot the series yet again or do they continue Zombie's vision without him (which WILL be a disaster; no Zombie for people who liked what Zombie brought to the film and those who hated what Zombie did will hate it because they already hated the direction.)

I have a couple ideas...

1. Bridge Halloween II (1981) and Halloween 4 with a Myers film.

2. Talk to Clive Barker about directing Pinhead vs. Michael Myers

3. Reboot Halloween once again (if George Romero is remaking Deep Red, maybe there would be an interest in remaking Halloween...again.)

4. Sequel to Resurrection

[RedZeppelin]

Count me in with the folks who absolutely hated Zombie's Halloween reboot (and the original is my favorite horror movie of all time), but I'm also one of the few who consider Halloween III a very underrated horror film. I'd enjoy seeing a remake of that story.

[Lambagus]

Originally Posted by RedZeppelin

Count me in with the folks who absolutely hated Zombie's Halloween reboot (and the original is my favorite horror movie of all time), but I'm also one of the few who consider Halloween III a very underrated horror film. I'd enjoy seeing a remake of that story.

I was going to list a remake of Halloween III (1982) as I also am a fan. The way I could see it work is that with the recession still hitting many people, an evil corporation trying to murder their kids on Halloween with masks is an idea that may work better today than it did in 82. Big Business as the villain in a horror film will work!

[mpstjohn]

Originally Posted by Lambagus

2. The plan was to shoot Halloween III (2011) in 3D but the project was scrapped so who knows if 3D is still the plan. (I personally think if it is in 3D we will get a rushed film that uses 3D to get people to come see it)

I would've really liked to see this. I think it could've worked, assuming they ignore Zombie's own interpretation of the ending of Halloween II. Funny thought that Scout Taylor Compton turned down the role of Laurie Strode because she thought H3D seemed rushed (as if Halloween II wasn't).

Looking at Halloween II now all I can think is how much more I'd rather see what the directors of Inside would've done with it, seeing as they were working on the film before Dimension brought in Zombie to replace them. I'll never know how Dimension even managed to wrangle so much talent into making a sequel to such a bad remake in the first place. And yet still they managed to botch that too and bring back the one guy who said he didn't want a Halloween sequel.

[nolfoc]

i was born in 1984, so i was not alive when the original came out, and to this day its my favorite horror movie of all time... they didn't reboot halloween, they had Zombie create some kind of bush league movie and called it Halloween to bring money to the table, you cannot called Zombies Halloween "Halloween"

[Lambagus]

Originally Posted by nolfoc

i was born in 1984, so i was not alive when the original came out, and to this day its my favorite horror movie of all time... they didn't reboot halloween, they have Zombie create some kind of bush league movie and called it Halloween to bring money to the table, you cannot called Zombies Halloween "Halloween"

I agree with you completely, I was born in 85 and Halloween is my favorite as well. I know the remake has its fans but im not one either. But, 95% of sequels/remakes are intended to be a cash cow not just Halloween. Zombie even said on the 'Halloween: 25 years of terror' doc that horror fans will pay to go see a remake knowing its a piece of crap cause we are desperate for horror films. I like to SEE sequels to see the story continue but I honestly can't say I LIKE many sequels.

[nolfoc]

Originally Posted by Lambagus

I agree with you completely, I was born in 85 and Halloween is my favorite as well. I know the remake has its fans but im not one either. But, 95% of sequels/remakes are intended to be a cash cow not just Halloween. Zombie even said on the 'Halloween: 25 years of terror' doc that horror fans will pay to go see a remake knowing its a piece of crap cause we are desperate for horror films. I like to SEE sequels to see the story continue but I honestly can't say I LIKE many sequels.

i disagree with you on this, a few horro remakes are better then their originals i.e. Let Me In, Last House On The Left, Texas Chainsaw Massarce... probably a few others im forgetting i just think its hard to hollywood writers to come up with original ideas for horror movies.. so if a movie back in the day was considered good or great they will tackle it, most fail most dont fail or prevail and some start something great.

[Alpha Sixx]

Just bring back my beautifull and lovley scout taylor compton and sheri moon and im in!!!!!!!

[mintchris]

Originally Posted by nolfoc

i was born in 1984, so i was not alive when the original came out, and to this day its my favorite horror movie of all time... they didn't reboot halloween, they have Zombie create some kind of bush league movie and called it Halloween to bring money to the table, you cannot called Zombies Halloween "Halloween"

Well said!

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by Alpha Sixx

Just bring back my beautifull and lovley scout taylor compton and sheri moon and im in!!!!!!!

Me and you are alone in this buddy. We could prob see them in Rob Zombie's Lords of Salem when that comes out though.

[Blu Myers]

You forgot one more option...continue the thorn storyline and make a sequel to part 6. I know that'll never happen, but I think it'd be better than continuing Resurrection.

I was just thinking a remake of Halloween III would be cool though. I love that movie.

[Pounder]

This is a bit off tpoic but does anyone have a pic of Scouts Lower back tattoo?

[Deadset]

No matter what they do, it's not going to be that compelling for me to rush out and see. I grow tired of all the talk about the remake of this series. If Rob Zombie isn't going to do a part 3, fine. But a reboot this soon just doesn't interest me at all.

[Lambagus]

Originally Posted by nolfoc

i disagree with you on this, a few horro remakes are better then their originals i.e. Let Me In, Last House On The Left, Texas Chainsaw Massarce... probably a few others im forgetting i just think its hard to hollywood writers to come up with original ideas for horror movies.. so if a movie back in the day was considered good or great they will tackle it, most fail most dont fail or prevail and some start something great.

Guess we disagree on that one..and I did say 95% of sequels were created to generate revenue, not all

[mpstjohn]

Originally Posted by nolfoc

i disagree with you on this, a few horror remakes are better then their originals i.e. Let Me In, Last House On The Left, Texas Chainsaw Massarce... probably a few others im forgetting i just think its hard to hollywood writers to come up with original ideas for horror movies.. so if a movie back in the day was considered good or great they will tackle it, most fail most dont fail or prevail and some start something great.

The biggest problem was that there was actually room for improvement with those films. Shortcomings because of budget, shortage of decent actors, special effects, or just an inexperienced director, but Halloween is Carpenter damn near the top of his game and the low budget works for the film.

Add to that the whole reason the original was scary at all was because Carpenter didn't spell everything out, he left most of it to our imagination. Zombie, on the other hand, spelled everything out, and left nothing to the imagination, giving us a film completely devoid of suspense.

[RedZeppelin]

Originally Posted by mpstjohn

The biggest problem was that there was actually room for improvement with those films. Shortcomings because of budget, shortage of decent actors, special effects, or just an inexperienced director, but Halloween is Carpenter damn near the top of his game and the low budget works for the film.

Add to that the whole reason the original was scary at all was because Carpenter didn't spell everything out, he left most of it to our imagination. Zombie, on the other hand, spelled everything out, and left nothing to the imagination, giving us a film completely devoid of suspense.

This.

The unknown is infinitely more frightening than the known. Carpenter's killer was a mysterious embodiment of evil. Zombie's was simply an abused child angry at the world.

[BladeRunner2007]

Just use Night Dance as the source material and you have a good old school Halloween movie. They could either completely ignore Zombie's films or mention the events by dialogue. Nothing major.

[Ator the Invincible]

I say they just let the 2 Rob Zombie movies stand alone. The story ended. Let them stand on their own to be enjoyed by their fans and ignored by their detractors.

Now, regardless of anyone's opinion of Halloween: Resurrection, it did do one thing. It left the original series open ended with Michael still on the loose. So why not just go back to there? It doesn't need to be a direct sequel that picks up on any past storylines. They could just take the status quo of an alive-and-well Michael Myers and launch into a new story. Maybe make ambiguous mentions of some of his past crimes without getting into details just to give it a sense of history. All they need to do to make it clear this is the pre-remake series is work Jamie Lee Curtis in somehow. A simple picture would do. Maybe a memorial since her character was killed. Have Michael kill John (cameo by Josh Hartnet) at Laurie's grave or something.

[Gamma_Winstead]

I liked RZ first halloween. It wasnt all that good, but I get some weird enjoyment out of it.

2 was absolute CRAP though.

[mpstjohn]

Originally Posted by Ator the Invincible

I say they just let the 2 Rob Zombie movies stand alone. The story ended. Let them stand on their own to be enjoyed by their fans and ignored by their detractors.

Now, regardless of anyone's opinion of Halloween: Resurrection, it did do one thing. It left the original series open ended with Michael still on the loose. So why not just go back to there? It doesn't need to be a direct sequel that picks up on any past storylines. They could just take the status quo of an alive-and-well Michael Myers and launch into a new story. Maybe make ambiguous mentions of some of his past crimes without getting into details just to give it a sense of history. All they need to do to make it clear this is the pre-remake series is work Jamie Lee Curtis in somehow. A simple picture would do. Maybe a memorial since her character was killed. Have Michael kill John (cameo by Josh Hartnet) at Laurie's grave or something.

I never understood why Myers left him alive anyway. Its implied in H20 that Hartnet's character was the same age as Laurie when Myers tried to kill her and that's why he waited 20 years in the first place. The problem is that makes Resurrection all the more trivial since after killing Laurie he would've gone after the son not gone back to the Myers House.

Personally, though it probably wouldn't have worked, I would've loved to see a sequel to Halloween 6, the alternate ending where Loomis takes the place of the Man in Black. But lord knows where that would've taken us. Though for a few more years they probably could've still afforded to rehire Paul Rudd and maybe even Danielle Harris for a cameo in a flashback (heck, reshoot the scenes from Halloween 6 with her back in her rightful place while you're at it) and use a double for Pleasance for the Man in Black if the character comes back.

Originally Posted by gamma626

I liked RZ first halloween. It wasnt all that good, but I get some weird enjoyment out of it.

2 was absolute CRAP though.

2 was Zombie trying to create a definitive ending to the franchise. That's why H3D is a problem. He thought he created a definitive end to the franchise with the first film, but tried even harder when brought in to make the sequel. Myers losing his mask at the end and showing his face to the audience (and even speaking) was pretty much Zombie saying its over to the audience.