Blu-ray players reaches 2.7 million

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by cleric

They will say that hd dvd still has twice as many standalones without the hd dvd addon.

All it means is that they have a tiny install base. Not something I would want to be bragging about.

[cleric]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

All it means is that they have a tiny install base. Not something I would want to be bragging about.

I thought 2 was still greater than 1?

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by cleric

I thought 2 was still greater than 1?

And an installed base of 2.7M is much greater than an installed base of 750K.
2 - 3 is greater than 1 in movies sales.

See a trend? Most do....

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by cleric

Location: Reality

LOL

Location: Reality<--- explains why you're on a BR forum!

[RUR]

Originally Posted by cleric

They will say that hd dvd still has twice as many standalones without the hd dvd addon.

Which would be inaccurate, and foolishly dismisses the movie sales clearly generated by the ~2M US PS3's. It's the same old HD DVD BS: they count or don't count PS3's only as it suits their propaganda purposes.

[cleric]

I'm not saying the PS3 doesn't play blu-rays I just think you're delusional if you think everyone with a PS3 watches blu-rays on it or even owns an hdtv for that matter.

[Spankey]

They will say that hd dvd still has twice as many standalones without the hd dvd addon.

Though in all seriousness both sides have small numbers.

Here's the difference. HD-DVD counted all players witht the exception of those installed on PC's. There is no game console with an HD-DVD player preinstalled so all their players are stand alones. They can not differentiate.

If the HD-DVD PRG won't differentiate, then either should the BDA. HD-DVD has 750,000 players to 2.7 million.

If all HD-DVD were discontinued today, the movie industry could count on an install base of 2.7 million players. All of which will be attached to TV's.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by cleric

I'm not saying the PS3 doesn't play blu-rays I just think you're delusional if you think everyone with a PS3 watches blu-rays on it or even owns an hdtv for that matter.

Tru Tru , like I said earlier we will never know what % of Ps3's are used as BD players...All I know is mine are!!

[Elandyll]

Originally Posted by cleric

They will say that hd dvd still has twice as many standalones without the hd dvd addon.

Though in all seriousness both sides have small numbers.

Imho and with looking up figures all over, I estimate the HD DVD standalone number at about 500-550k, and the Blu Ray Standalones around 300-350k.
The HD DVD would normally be at 400-450k imho without the $98 sale, and even now the difference is pretty small. Specially when you figure in the consoles, around 200k for Xbox360+Addon, but more than 2million with PS3s.

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by cleric

I'm not saying the PS3 doesn't play blu-rays I just think you're delusional if you think everyone with a PS3 watches blu-rays on it or even owns an hdtv for that matter.

Is every PS3 a BR player or not? A pretty simple question....

If the PS3 is NOT playing a movie, does that mean it is no longer a BR player?

BR's installed base, which includes the PS3, is much greater than HD DVD's.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by cleric

I'm not saying the PS3 doesn't play blu-rays I just think you're delusional if you think everyone with a PS3 watches blu-rays on it or even owns an hdtv for that matter.

2.7M:0.75M is about 3.5:1 ratio and the 72:28 is about a 3:1 ratio. So what can you an infer from this... most people with a PS3 or a BD player are purchasing titles at the same rate as someone with an add-on or a HD DVD player.

BUT if the earlier estimates are to be believed that only about 40% are aware of the PS3's BD ability then it can be inferred that BD enthusiasts are purchasing discs at a much higher rate.

Either way you look at the writing is on the wall for HD DVD. The fat lady is clearing her throat for her encore.

It is nice to see the BDA finally come out swinging at the BS spin that HD DVD has been trying to pass off as news in the last few weeks.

TOSHITA, face it HD DVD lost, get over IT. Everything that is coming from their camp lately is trying to paint the rosiest picture on how they are even with BD and they should coexist. It is an outright LIE. They lost and they know it, but they want to try and screw it up for BD now since they are being sore losers.

I don't understand the love that some have for HD DVD. It has to be one of the few times in recent tech history where some were arguing for a lesser capable format. Really, why would anyone pick a format with 20Gs less than the competition that has the same form factor, not to mention it also had an inferior transfer rate?

[xcg001]

Originally Posted by cleric

I'm not saying the PS3 doesn't play blu-rays I just think you're delusional if you think everyone with a PS3 watches blu-rays on it or even owns an hdtv for that matter.

I am sorry but PS3 is as STAND ALONE as it gets. It doesn't need anything else to play blu-rays unlike x360 add-on. Many people of course bought it to primary play games on it but that doesn't mean that it is not a potential player. I know many people that has DVD player (actually more than one) that rarely buy or rent movies so it is not that much different. Initially PS3 attach rate was much lower because it was compared to the expensive devices purchased by early adopters most of which are videophiles that has a lot of disposable income. The more average Joe buys cheaper HD-DVD/Blu-ray players the lower will became attach rates for both formats. In my opinion the biggest group with PS3 that does not buy blu-rays are people that does not want to spend the extra $5-10 for the blu-ray versus standart DVD. Also a lot of PS3 owners did not have HDTV or were cautious because of format war and that was the reason why they were not buying movies, but both of these factors can (and most probably will) change in the future. non-HDTV TVs barely sell these days - some stores doesn't ever bother stocking these and the HDTV sets will continue dropping in price. And finally these PS3 owners that really does not know that PS3 plays Blu-rays will hear it from someone/some advertisement and will try it. I actually believe that that last group is really small - even if parents bought it for their kids without knowing that PS3 is a blu-ray player I want to bet that their kids know - kids nowaday are VERY informed about technology and even my friend 6 year old daughter knew about that despite not even having PS3.

[toocheezy]

Originally Posted by xcg001

I am sorry but PS3 is as STAND ALONE as it gets. It doesn't need anything else to play blu-rays unlike x360 add-on. Many people of course bought it to primary play games on it but that doesn't mean that it is not a potential player. I know many people that has DVD player (actually more than one) that rarely buy or rent movies so it is not that much different. Initially PS3 attach rate was much lower because it was compared to the expensive devices purchased by early adopters most of which are videophiles that has a lot of disposable income. The more average Joe buys cheaper HD-DVD/Blu-ray players the lower will became attach rates for both formats. In my opinion the biggest group with PS3 that does not buy blu-rays are people that does not want to spend the extra $5-10 for the blu-ray versus standart DVD. Also a lot of PS3 owners did not have HDTV or were cautious because of format war and that was the reason why they were not buying movies, but both of these factors can (and most probably will) change in the future. non-HDTV TVs barely sell these days - some stores doesn't ever bother stocking these and the HDTV sets will continue dropping in price. And finally these PS3 owners that really does not know that PS3 plays Blu-rays will hear it from someone/some advertisement and will try it. I actually believe that that last group is really small - even if parents bought it for their kids without knowing that PS3 is a blu-ray player I want to bet that their kids know - kids nowaday are VERY informed about technology and even my friend 6 year old daughter knew about that despite not even having PS3.

I like your post. I always say the same thing about kids. They know more about technology then people think. And you better believe that they know know alot about blu-ray. I believe that the average joe is starting to learn more about Blu also. Dont let todays society fool ya. They know then what they let on. Trust me

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by cleric

even owns an hdtv for that matter.

It's no different for HD DVD owners.

[xcg001]

Originally Posted by ps3andlovinit

It's no different for HD DVD owners.

Actually it is different for HD-DVD owners. In most cases HD-DVD owner will not purchase player or x360 add-on unless he has a HDTV TV. But probably quite a bit people bought PS3 before HDTV TV since it plays games fine without one. We still shouldn't discount these folks though - since at some point they will probably buy HDTV (since soon all TVs that you can buy will be HDTV) and from this moment on they can become interested in blu-ray.
I know several such people that doesn't have HDTV TV but are buying new releases in blu-rays for their PS3 since they feel they would waste their money having to rebuy them later. Non of them are buying a movie that he already owns on DVD, though - they all believe while it may be worth it for new releases it is not worth it for the ones they already own on DVD. And in my case I bought a bunch of blu-rays before getting a player - I have a projector and I knew at some point I was going to jump.

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by xcg001

Actually it is different for HD-DVD owners.

Actually, it's exactly the same as HD DVD players have a video, s-video and component video output...any of those could be connected to a SD tv.

[tru2blu707]

you have to remember that the MAJORITY(not all ) of people who bought the ps3 are using it as a gaming system first and foremost. not everyone who has a ps3 has an hdtv. but i assure you, like myself, that when they do upgrade to an hdtv they wont be able to resist the temptation of looking at the oh-so spectacular section that is blu ray.

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by xcg001

Actually it is different for HD-DVD owners. In most cases HD-DVD owner will not purchase player or x360 add-on unless he has a HDTV TV.

How is that any different for PS3 owners? Since HDMI was on the PS3 from the start and positioned as 1080p and Blu-ray capable..iit's more likely the PS3 would have a higher rate of attachment to HDTV's than the Xbox or it's add-on..

Originally Posted by xcg001

bought PS3 before HDTV TV since it plays games fine without one.

So does the Xbox and HD-DVD add-on for that matter. Again you could make the argument that given the lack of HDMI on most 360 units .. that it's even more likely for them to be using a SDTV. Since it came out before the PS3 when HDTV sales were an even smaller market it is even more likely they are using an SDTV..so the initial poster (cleric) is even more "delusional" than us PS3 owners about who has HDTV's and who doesn't. And therefore whose sales are greater and more likely to escalate at a faster rate since everything is in place....

Ahh I see he has been suspended for something...

[xcg001]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

Actually, it's exactly the same as HD DVD players have a video, s-video and component video output...any of those could be connected to a SD tv.

The point is not whether HD-DVD player has other video outputs, the point is that the primary function of HD-DVD player/x360 add-on is to play HD-DVD and very few people will buy it just to play DVDs with it - it is quite expensive as a DVD player. So very few people will buy it if they do not have HDTV. Unlike these PS3 is gaming machine and a lot of gamers bought it without having HDTV but they can warm up to the blu-ray side of it later when they purchase HDTV. So these people are still potential blu-ray customers. With HD-DVD players/x360 you only have customers that bought it to use it as such - i.e. you do not have a pool of untapped customers.
I myself may actually be considered such rare untapped customer since I bought A3 for $100 (with 10 free HD-DVDs) but unfortunately for Toshiba I do not plan to buy/rent any HD-DVD. I even sold the 5 movies that came with it so that now I have a free DVD player for my other room. Plus I figured Toshiba is loosing probably $100 for each of these and not even gaining a customer in my case so why not. If the other 5 HD-DVDs from the rebate come and I sell them in my case I will even have DVD player bought for negative amount of money

[xcg001]

I am actually not only agreeing with your point - I am saying that it is better for blu-ray. The reason is that I don't know of anybody that bought HD-DVD/x360 attachment without HDTV but I know people that bought ps3 without having HDTV. So with HD-DVD/x360 add on you really do not have the pool of potential customers that PS3 has. Some of these PS3 customers that are not blu-ray buyers will became active blu-ray consumers later.

The only potential such pool for HD-DVD may come from people with x360 that will buy later their first HDTV but in this case their need to shell extra $150 for the add-on which is not the same as getting it for "free" as in PS3 case (I used "free" since they already bought PS3 only for gaming)

Originally Posted by ps3andlovinit

How is that any different for PS3 owners? Since HDMI was on the PS3 from the start and positioned as 1080p and Blu-ray capable..iit's more likely the PS3 would have a higher rate of attachment to HDTV's than the Xbox or it's add-on..

So does the Xbox and HD-DVD add-on for that matter. Again you could make the argument that given the lack of HDMI on most 360 units .. that it's even more likely for them to be using a SDTV. Since it came out before the PS3 when HDTV sales were an even smaller market it is even more likely they are using an SDTV..so the initial poster (cleric) is even more "delusional" than us PS3 owners about who has HDTV's and who doesn't. And therefore whose sales are greater and more likely to escalate at a faster rate since everything is in place....

Ahh I see he has been suspended for something...

Edited for spelling.