81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[whippersnapper]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

I totally understand your expanation and where your coming from but I do think that as a dis-service to blu, Warner will not so much be focusing on the years numbers as will they be looking at the Q4.

I honestly think that Warner is looking for some sign of life from the $199 players to keep from going blu exclusive.

Dude, you misspoke again. I'll modify your last sentence to show what I believe you really meant (based upon your posting track record):

I pray that Warner is looking for some sign of life from the $199 players to keep from going blu exclusive.

[shug7272]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

Again, you continually feel the need to attack me personally instead of engaging in a constructive debate that offers a different perspective on the manner. We don't have to agree, but that doesn't make me a troll.

Your arrogance blinds you!!!

You do realize that you are arguing that because HD DVD didnt lose as bad it is a positive? You do realize that HD DVD came out first, has been cheaper AND has MS paying people off and they still get their ass raped, removed and then handed back to them week after week. Have yet to win ONE week NOT EVEN TRANSFORMERS WEEK in a year. You do of course realize that both formats are little more than one year old. I would say if you took your last sentence and replaced "arrogance" with "ignorance" you would have just described yourself. Pull your head out man, the air is so fresh.

[greekjgg]

Originally Posted by whippersnapper

Dude, you misspoke again. I'll modify your last sentence to show what I believe you really meant (based upon your posting track record):

Again, you continue to attack me personally just because I am not as confident as you are in blu's current place in the format war.

Very mature on your part!! It's obvious that your tongue is sharper then your wit and that is what has got you by in life.

[greekjgg]

Originally Posted by shug7272

You do realize that you are arguing that because HD DVD didnt lose as bad it is a positive? You do realize that HD DVD came out first, has been cheaper AND has MS paying people off and they still get their ass raped, removed and then handed back to them week after week. Have yet to win ONE week NOT EVEN TRANSFORMERS WEEK in a year. You do of course realize that both formats are little more than one year old. I would say if you took your last sentence and replaced "arrogance" with "ignorance" you would have just described yourself. Pull your head out man, the air is so fresh.

Are you the leader or the follower?

[roachxp]

HDDVD came out 3 months before Bluray of course sales didn't start taking off till PS3 came out last year.


IMO I think HP will sell better in singles on the Red side next week due to alot HDDVD people having HP4 & HP5 already. Even last week's Mr. Bean alot of people imported that way back in July/August from UK for same price has the US version.

The Blu box set will do great too. I will be wired having HP poping up in multiple spots in the Top10 when the numbers come out.

There will also be sales on Amazon, Walmart, and BB on HDDVD players Bourne week.

[Terjyn]

I repeat, can we get over this myth that if Blu-Ray outsells HD-DVD by 30K on the box set yet loses a single by 1K that this is somehow a "victory" for HD-DVD on the movie?

Furthermore, the fact that 4 and 5 were out already for HD-DVD implies that HD-DVD sales will be *awful* for HP, considering those people don't have reason to buy the box set...and HP 1-3 are not day and date releases, they are catalog titles.

[greekjgg]

Originally Posted by roachxp

IMO I think HP will sell better in singles on the Red side next week due to alot HDDVD people having HP4 & HP5 already.

Watch what you say in here roachxp, any comment that even hints in favor of HD Dud in any sort of way even though you still support blu will draw personal attacks.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

I'm not familiar with Engadget, but the few times I've read articles, it comes across as some kind of heavily biased blog, not a serious journallistic website.



It's coming to something when 60-40 type losses are now considered HD-DVD wins, is it possible to be anymore desperate?

As for your comments, well what can I say, Blu-ray wins every week, on big weeks the wins are truely thumping, on 'poor' weeks it's a regular 60-40 split, yet the same doom and gloom merchants spin this as impending disaster for Blu-ray. You appear to be going out of your way, like a couple of others, to hype HD-DVD and dampen Blu-ray, for what reason I'm not sure.

HP will be 2-1 or thereabouts, just like every other WB title, the obvious exception being Plante Earth.

exacly, the bottom line is hd dvd has never won a week since it came out, so what if the sales increase, its on the shelfs right? you hd dvd guys get all wet in the pants as soon as you get a tiny sale spike and still not pass blu-ray give up. i can say with pride that hd dvd will never ever pass blu-ray on a week to week basis, and overall sales, that the way it is, deal with it.

[sj001]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

Watch what you say in here roachxp, any comment that even hints in favor of HD Dud in any sort of way even though you still support blu will draw personal attacks.

I'm sorry, but just about every comment you make seems to insinuate that Blu-ray is not doing too good. Or seems to be a backslap to BD, though you claim to support it, well, reading through all your comments, you seem to be mostly negative about everything related to BD. But when someone points that out, you reverse yourself and say that you are a BD supporter. Well, do yourself and everyone else a favor and start SUPPORTING the format instead of complaining about it!

[saprano]

Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

Thanks Gary, I stand corrected.

So I guess it was simply that Blu had no competitive new titles out last week.

yea and blu still took the lead, some people are missing the bigger picture here, yea hd-dud sales went up ( a bit) but they still did not take the lead, thats all that matters.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Razzy

Yep, they lose yet they think they've won.

"58-42..well thats close to 55-45. Yep...Damn we're doing ok now. 55-45, geeze y'know, that's prety close to 50-50. OMG!! 1 more percentage point and we've got 'er sewn up!!"

yes! my point exacly

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Thegide

I'm totally surprised by the fear many users are feeling in wake of this week's numbers.

Why have so many people missed the big point here? Sales volume across the board was low. I'm willing to bet total units moved on both sides hardly scratches the volume numbers from last week's Black Friday domination. A 58:42 win with so little discs factored in certainly couldn't have had a big impact on the YTD or SI numbers. Yet Black Friday alone was enough to move the SI another point (that's two points alone in the last 4-5 weeks).

Let's not forget this week's mediocrity was anticipated for quite some time. Possibly the weakest week in Blu's calendar. To see 58:42 when Blu is flying pretty much off of residuals is actually encouraging. Kind of like beating a man in a fight with your hands tied behind your back.

Just my thoughts...

another one on point, this is what i mean guys,theres no need to be even be talking about this, or be worried, we still won

[greekjgg]

Originally Posted by sj001

I'm sorry, but just about every comment you make seems to insinuate that Blu-ray is not doing too good. Or seems to be a backslap to BD, though you claim to support it, well, reading through all your comments, you seem to be mostly negative about everything related to BD. But when someone points that out, you reverse yourself and say that you are a BD supporter. Well, do yourself and everyone else a favor and start SUPPORTING the format instead of complaining about it!

How am I not supporting it? I am concerned that the victory was closer then normal lately. I believe for blu to win, we need a blow out victory every single week. I think the last year is a wash, it comes down to the last 8 weeks of this year. It's basically cheap $199 players versus a stronger catalog on blu now. If Warner gets any indication that these cheap players are helping to increase HD Dud's traction, I believe it taints the possibility of them going blu exclusive. They don't want to pick a winner in a close ball game, they want 100% assurance that whomever they pick will win.

[Glow007]

Originally Posted by saprano

another one on point, this is what i mean guys,theres no need to be even be talking about this, or be worried, we still won

And to take a step further, we are still going to continue to win...Nothing that HD-DVD has done has worked...58/42 is a pretty decent ratio. Esspecially concidering the fact that it was nothing but residual sales.

[sj001]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

How am I not supporting it? I am concerned that the victory was closer then normal lately. I believe for blu to win, we need a blow out victory every single week. I think the last year is a wash, it comes down to the last 8 weeks of this year. It's basically cheap $199 players versus a stronger catalog on blu now. If Warner gets any indication that these cheap players are helping to increase HD Dud's traction, I believe it taints the possibility of them going blu exclusive. They don't want to pick a winner in a close ball game, they want 100% assurance that whomever they pick will win.

How is this past year a wash????? WTF? Blu-ray has won EVERY single week of the year, and the Year-to-Date is over 65:35, that's pretty decisive in my book.

Trust me, they have a 100% assurance if they go Blu-ray it's over.

Do yourself a favor, and look through this year's numbers, you will see that there are several weeks that were much closer than than the 58:42 of last week, they are not gaining traction.

[Glow007]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

How am I not supporting it? I am concerned that the victory was closer then normal lately. I believe for blu to win, we need a blow out victory every single week. I think the last year is a wash, it comes down to the last 8 weeks of this year. It's basically cheap $199 players versus a stronger catalog on blu now. If Warner gets any indication that these cheap players are helping to increase HD Dud's traction, I believe it taints the possibility of them going blu exclusive. They don't want to pick a winner in a close ball game, they want 100% assurance that whomever they pick will win.

I agree with you...BUT IMO I think that the only way to have 100% assurance that whomever they pick will win is to choose Blu-ray.

If they choose HD-DVD that spilts the studios and the bottom line is that they stated that consumers dont want to choose anymore. If they go HD-DVD then it creates nothing but confusion. If they go BD, then its an overwelming advantage to BD and anyone who actually looks before they leap will see that BD is the only choice just by studio support alone(not to mention the tech advantage BD has)

BTW, I understand your concern because even though its just movies I want Blu-ray to win BADLY and it feels almost personal. Just for the record, I dont think your a troll...But I mean come on, its a Blu-ray forum. Your gonna get called a troll if you keep posting negative comments all the time...

Im not saying your trollin...Im just sayin

[Glow007]

Originally Posted by sj001

How is this past year a wash????? WTF? Blu-ray has won EVERY single week of the year, and the Year-to-Date is over 65:35, that's pretty decisive in my book.

Trust me, they have a 100% assurance if they go Blu-ray it's over.

Do yourself a favor, and look through this year's numbers, you will see that there are several weeks that were much closer than than the 58:42 of last week, they are not gaining traction.

Look at it this way, this week could have been alot worse

I seem to recall a 51/49 Transformer week....

[mystiksuicide]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

Here is Engadgets take on this weeks numbers:

We can't wait to check out the numbers next week, to see if red's new legs can hold up against the latest installment of Pirates.

Now, before I'm accused of being a troll I want to say that I had similiar thoughts of this article when seeing the 58:42. I know there can be an "Oprah" effect, and maybe alot of people bought the wrong format. Another thing to consider is that sony sold a ton of ps3's in the last couple of weeks and I don't see how this is paying off in an increase of titles sold where it seems to be happening for the A2 crowd. This next week with HP is going to be the most crucial week and I believe the conditions are favorable for Dud to pull off a win with HP.

Not even close, blu Potter will beat red potter hands down. Also LOST will give blu a few extra % numbers.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by mystiksuicide

Not even close, blu Potter will beat red potter hands down. Also LOST will give blu a few extra % numbers.

you tell em sweety

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

It's basically cheap $199 players versus a stronger catalog on blu now.

But, it's not $199 cheap players. It's $299 and $225 players with 2+5+5 movies at this point.

Originally Posted by greekjgg

If Warner gets any indication that these cheap players are helping to increase HD Dud's traction, I believe it taints the possibility of them going blu exclusive. They don't want to pick a winner in a close ball game, they want 100% assurance that whomever they pick will win.

Do you honestly think if Warner went Blu-ray exclusive HD DVD could win?

Warner knows they will decide the war by going Blu-ray exclusive. Neutral is the status quo. HD DVD exclusivity would be a stalemate to HD DVD positive (North America). But, a win for HD DVD?

HD DVD has to show they can win the war. And all I see is them showing they might not come out of 2007 with a massive loss.
Gary