81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers - Page 360 - Blu-ray Forum

mattym · 12-09-2007, 08:33 PM

amazon ranks are not a good indicator, the week bluray won 70% ws the week amazon had the rankings so high for hddvd i think

SGRSBSKIER · 12-09-2007, 08:34 PM

Are returns counted in Nielsen numbers? (Like the next weeks weekly ratio or the times when we get total discs or YTD for each based on Nielsen numbers)

I would assume HDDVD would have more returns due to thinking it would play on a DVD player than BD would have. (these are made up numbers: Like 1% of total BD discs sold more than BD returns, 500k BD discs sold 500 BD's returned 5500 HDDVD discs(1% of 500k + 500= 5500) with the 65:35 YTD ratio 500k:269k (65.02:34.98) subtract the returns in my example and the ratio moves to 65.38:34.62 my example adds .36% to the ratio) If there is a major difference in returns of the 2 formats it could be enough to change YTD by 1% if returns are not subtracted from the count.

Kyot · 12-09-2007, 08:48 PM

Is Mr. T Blu ? I know he raids every night in Azeroth to get better epic gear

lol

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1bsOKH3_DNo

All the HD DVD increases are due to 10-12 free movies upon buying a player. The only other real spike was from Transformers.

OokieSpookie · 12-09-2007, 09:00 PM

I seriously wish that I could go door to door and kick everyone who spouts Amazon numbers and rankings in the pills.

RUR · 12-09-2007, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OokieSpookie

I seriously wish that I could go door to door and kick everyone who spouts Amazon numbers and rankings in the pills.

I'll send you rdjam's address.

ibeetle · 12-09-2007, 09:23 PM

Does not surprise me. In the past 2 weeks I have received a eMail everyday from Amazon touting "the new next generation in home video. High Definition HD DVD". I have received offer after offer on/or special discounts on this "wonderful new and next step in home video."
Never mind the fact I have never bought or had any reason to even look at a HD DVD video release page on Amazon.
Head over to imdb.com (a Amazon company) You would think Toshiba, and the HD DVD group bought every ad available.
I think the HD DVD backers are spending every penny they can get their hands on this holiday season on ads, because they know if it does not happen for them this Christmas it aint going to happen.

Rob71 · 12-09-2007, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkblueme

I think this is a direct result of Amazon's 12 free HD-DVD movies with the purchase of an HD DUD player deal. The ratio will be in Blu's favor everywhere else.

You hit the nail on the head. Also notice that the Warner BOGO is on at the same time. Kind of like they are helping their favored format.

Joon · 12-09-2007, 09:35 PM

I got one that will make you laugh. I just read on avs hd-dvd sales thread, someone said...

"The best weeks are those which do not have any must-own titles released. This past week was good, as well as the week where the Kubrick titles came out. Neither of them had a summer blockbuster to skew the numbers, and neither of them had BOGO deals. Both of them were around 58:42. This is a positive sign for HD DVD because most weeks won't have summer blockbuster titles being released."

I guess according to HD-DVD guys, Blockbuster movies skew the numbers? I also love how there are positive signs for people when they lose.

JTK · 12-09-2007, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joon

I got one that will make you laugh. I just read on avs hd-dvd sales thread, someone said...

"The best weeks are those which do not have any must-own titles released. This past week was good, as well as the week where the Kubrick titles came out. Neither of them had a summer blockbuster to skew the numbers, and neither of them had BOGO deals. Both of them were around 58:42. This is a positive sign for HD DVD because most weeks won't have summer blockbuster titles being released."

I guess according to HD-DVD guys, Blockbuster movies skew the numbers? I also love how there are positive signs for people when they lose.

More of that Orwellian logic being used again. Winning is losing, losing is winning...

Esox50 · 12-09-2007, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joon

I guess according to HD-DVD guys, Blockbuster movies skew the numbers? I also love how there are positive signs for people when they lose.

You should then ask them if they're willing to look at the Week of October 21st number/ratio excluding the 115,000 copies of Transformers. That would then translate into the first 80:20+ Blu Ray week.

EDIT: Love the logic of HD DVDers, it can be turned around on them so quickly that it is ridiculous.

The Don · 12-09-2007, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

There will be no formal surrender ceremony

HD DVD will just slowly vanish over a year or more

I seriously feel that if Warner were to make a decision in January at 2008 CES, we'd see retailers make a decision based on that by June-September...

HD-DVD will be phased out by default...not by choice...

The Don · 12-09-2007, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joon

I got one that will make you laugh. I just read on avs hd-dvd sales thread, someone said...

"The best weeks are those which do not have any must-own titles released. This past week was good, as well as the week where the Kubrick titles came out. Neither of them had a summer blockbuster to skew the numbers, and neither of them had BOGO deals. Both of them were around 58:42. This is a positive sign for HD DVD because most weeks won't have summer blockbuster titles being released."

I guess according to HD-DVD guys, Blockbuster movies skew the numbers? I also love how there are positive signs for people when they lose.

it's funny how their mentalities differ from much of the Blu supporters..

they find ways to look at anything as a positive while people here find ways to look at anything as a negative...

as long as he keep a foot applied to their necks...they can't breathe...

Porfie · 12-09-2007, 10:35 PM

Seems like HD-DVD is trying their hardest to get their format to do good. I think the J and R $9.99 blu-ray sale is going to help blu-ray big time.

cking2729 · 12-09-2007, 11:02 PM

I have to admit I was slightly worried about this upcoming week (Bourne/HP), but I am now more confident than ever as it seems the BDA and retailers have put together an awesome strategy for the week. We have a Sony BOGO at Best Buy, and our first sub-$300 player at all major retailers. We have some AMAZING deals at BB for HDTV + Blu combos, and not to mention, a lot of great advertising!

My in-laws just called me from Fry's in Houston to inform me Fry's was having a Fox BOGO. We also have an Amazon BOGO for Warner. As far as I can tell DuD has nothing lined up for the week other than the Amazon 12 movie sale.

I might be over confident at this point, but I am going to up my prediction to easily above 65% for the week.

Go Blu!

Mayor Quimby · 12-09-2007, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibeetle

Does not surprise me. In the past 2 weeks I have received a eMail everyday from Amazon touting "the new next generation in home video. High Definition HD DVD". I have received offer after offer on/or special discounts on this "wonderful new and next step in home video."
Never mind the fact I have never bought or had any reason to even look at a HD DVD video release page on Amazon.
Head over to imdb.com (a Amazon company) You would think Toshiba, and the HD DVD group bought every ad available.
I think the HD DVD backers are spending every penny they can get their hands on this holiday season on ads, because they know if it does not happen for them this Christmas it aint going to happen.

I'm seeing the same thing. Huge banner space on stage6.com (video site) and elsewhere. When I do searches for "Blu-Ray", half the time I get HD-DVD responses! Yahoo had a mention of HD-DVD as "the next generation dvd player" on its main page this morning and there was absolutely no mention of Blu-Ray. I wouldn't be surprised to see $99 HD-DVD players again before Christmas as well as free disc offers. I'm also seeing lots of HD-DVD commercials on tv although there are a few Blu's as well. I'd love to see the Blu-Ray camp step things up because of all of this. HD-DVD is really vulnerable so now (this holiday season) is the time to end it all!

ironrefault · 12-09-2007, 11:25 PM

The funny thing about the HD DVD promotions is that they give away most of the best HD DVDs for free, typically leaving Transformers as the only worthwhile title left to buy.

They've given away King Kong, Heroes, 300, The Departed, Bourne Identity & Supremacy, Batman Begins, etc., etc.

What is left for the red crowd to actually buy? They insult the BOGO sales, but at least it's even up, as we actually buy a title to get a 2nd free.

HD DVD, it's like a one-time purchase and open-shut consumer relationship. One cheap player is bought, they throw 7-15 movies at you, you buy Transformers, and it's a wrap.

MrBogey · 12-09-2007, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esox50

You should then ask them if they're willing to look at the Week of October 21st number/ratio excluding the 115,000 copies of Transformers. That would then translate into the first 80:20+ Blu Ray week.

EDIT: Love the logic of HD DVDers, it can be turned around on them so quickly that it is ridiculous.

The nutty thing is this past week had HD DVD releases that had a cult following. Anchorman et al if they faced off against cult movies on BD you'd have seen BD do the 2:1 routine. As is the lack of heat on BDs side allowed a mediocre HD DVD release schedule to get a halfway decent score...that was still a loss.

The Don · 12-09-2007, 11:29 PM

they can have Amazon...

we think...BIG PICTURE..

atomik kinder · 12-10-2007, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkblueme

I think this is a direct result of Amazon's 12 free HD-DVD movies with the purchase of an HD DUD player deal. The ratio will be in Blu's favor everywhere else.

Exactly. HD DVD always does much better on Amazon than it does in the real world.

darkpoet25 · 12-10-2007, 12:49 AM

I know that the numbers matter, but why are there so many of these threads? Sorry I don't buy a Blu Ray because the numbers on Amazon are low. I buy the movies I want and leave it at that. Besides, hd dvd has a lot of catching up to to beat Blu Ray anyway. I find it funny that they include the numbers for the 12 free hd dvd's. Seems like something Toshiba would pull.

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12-09-2007, 08:33 PM	#7181
mattym Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007	amazon ranks are not a good indicator, the week bluray won 70% ws the week amazon had the rankings so high for hddvd i think

12-09-2007, 08:34 PM	#7182
SGRSBSKIER Senior Member Member since:Sep 2007	Are returns counted in Nielsen numbers? (Like the next weeks weekly ratio or the times when we get total discs or YTD for each based on Nielsen numbers) I would assume HDDVD would have more returns due to thinking it would play on a DVD player than BD would have. (these are made up numbers: Like 1% of total BD discs sold more than BD returns, 500k BD discs sold 500 BD's returned 5500 HDDVD discs(1% of 500k + 500= 5500) with the 65:35 YTD ratio 500k:269k (65.02:34.98) subtract the returns in my example and the ratio moves to 65.38:34.62 my example adds .36% to the ratio) If there is a major difference in returns of the 2 formats it could be enough to change YTD by 1% if returns are not subtracted from the count.

12-09-2007, 08:48 PM	#7183
Kyot Special Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:Toronto, Canada Blu-ray collection:115 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:69	Is Mr. T Blu ? I know he raids every night in Azeroth to get better epic gear lol http://youtube.com/watch?v=1bsOKH3_DNo All the HD DVD increases are due to 10-12 free movies upon buying a player. The only other real spike was from Transformers.

12-09-2007, 09:00 PM	#7184
OokieSpookie Banned Member since:Nov 2007 Trading Score:1	I seriously wish that I could go door to door and kick everyone who spouts Amazon numbers and rankings in the pills.

12-09-2007, 09:23 PM	#7186
ibeetle Member Member since:Jun 2007 Blu-ray collection:20 Blu-ray reviews:1	Does not surprise me. In the past 2 weeks I have received a eMail everyday from Amazon touting "the new next generation in home video. High Definition HD DVD". I have received offer after offer on/or special discounts on this "wonderful new and next step in home video." Never mind the fact I have never bought or had any reason to even look at a HD DVD video release page on Amazon. Head over to imdb.com (a Amazon company) You would think Toshiba, and the HD DVD group bought every ad available. I think the HD DVD backers are spending every penny they can get their hands on this holiday season on ads, because they know if it does not happen for them this Christmas it aint going to happen.

12-09-2007, 09:35 PM	#7188
Joon Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007 Blu-ray collection:208 Trading Score:1	I got one that will make you laugh. I just read on avs hd-dvd sales thread, someone said... "The best weeks are those which do not have any must-own titles released. This past week was good, as well as the week where the Kubrick titles came out. Neither of them had a summer blockbuster to skew the numbers, and neither of them had BOGO deals. Both of them were around 58:42. This is a positive sign for HD DVD because most weeks won't have summer blockbuster titles being released." I guess according to HD-DVD guys, Blockbuster movies skew the numbers? I also love how there are positive signs for people when they lose.

12-09-2007, 10:35 PM	#7193
Porfie Expert Member Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Colorado Springs, CO	Seems like HD-DVD is trying their hardest to get their format to do good. I think the J and R $9.99 blu-ray sale is going to help blu-ray big time.

12-09-2007, 11:02 PM	#7194
cking2729 Senior Member Member since:Nov 2007	I have to admit I was slightly worried about this upcoming week (Bourne/HP), but I am now more confident than ever as it seems the BDA and retailers have put together an awesome strategy for the week. We have a Sony BOGO at Best Buy, and our first sub-$300 player at all major retailers. We have some AMAZING deals at BB for HDTV + Blu combos, and not to mention, a lot of great advertising! My in-laws just called me from Fry's in Houston to inform me Fry's was having a Fox BOGO. We also have an Amazon BOGO for Warner. As far as I can tell DuD has nothing lined up for the week other than the Amazon 12 movie sale. I might be over confident at this point, but I am going to up my prediction to easily above 65% for the week. Go Blu!

12-09-2007, 11:25 PM	#7196
ironrefault Active Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:North Florida	The funny thing about the HD DVD promotions is that they give away most of the best HD DVDs for free, typically leaving Transformers as the only worthwhile title left to buy. They've given away King Kong, Heroes, 300, The Departed, Bourne Identity & Supremacy, Batman Begins, etc., etc. What is left for the red crowd to actually buy? They insult the BOGO sales, but at least it's even up, as we actually buy a title to get a 2nd free. HD DVD, it's like a one-time purchase and open-shut consumer relationship. One cheap player is bought, they throw 7-15 movies at you, you buy Transformers, and it's a wrap.

12-09-2007, 11:29 PM	#7198
The Don Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Apr 2006 Blu-ray reviews:12 Trading Score:2	they can have Amazon... we think...BIG PICTURE..

12-10-2007, 12:49 AM	#7200
darkpoet25 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Indianapolis, IN Home Theater Gallery:45 4K collection:50 Blu-ray collection:297 Blu-ray reviews: 4	I know that the numbers matter, but why are there so many of these threads? Sorry I don't buy a Blu Ray because the numbers on Amazon are low. I buy the movies I want and leave it at that. Besides, hd dvd has a lot of catching up to to beat Blu Ray anyway. I find it funny that they include the numbers for the 12 free hd dvd's. Seems like something Toshiba would pull.

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