The Movie Review and Discussion Thread

[nolfoc]

i loved Pearl Harbor

[iam1bearcat]

Originally Posted by CZAR

Are u serious Squid?? None of the premium channels have commercials such as HBO, Showtime, Starz, Cinemax, The Movie Channel, or Encore. Got Em!!

i thought they did too but it doesn't make sense to me though because episodes of True Blood, Rome and Dexter are all 45-50 minutes. what do they do for the other ten minutes??

[jhiggy23]

Originally Posted by CZAR

Yea some people have different rating systems but it seems we agree on that film though. Got Em!!



So what do u call Titanic then? U think that overblown love story actually took place? Got Em!!



Yea but still man premium channels are premium channels. They never had commercials to begin with. Thats what made them so great haha. Got Em!!

Titanic is an exceptional film that is generally hated only by those that are blinded by its success. It's objectively a fantastic cinematic achievement, from a technical perspective. Some may like the love story and some may not, that's all well and good. However, it doesn't do a disservice to the tragic event like Pearl Harbor did. That film embarassed those that know anything about the event. Titanic was widely seen as masterfully showing what happened, even despite some things that Jack and Rose would not have been able to do. Even the harshest of historians admitted that it was very true to life. Furthermore, that film alone created a fervent interest in Titanic. For all those reasons, Titanic is a rare achievement.

Do I think the love story actually took place?? Really? Since when did anyone think that Jack and Rose's story took place? The event is historical, not the love story. Could that love story have taken place? No, because as historians point out Jack wouldn't have been able to move about the ship the way he did. However, that certainly doesn't mean that love affairs did not take place on that ship.

Pearl Harbor wanted to be a love story first and foremost and a historical piece second. Titanic wanted to be a historical piece probably even more than a love story. At worst, they were meant to be equal.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by nolfoc

squid looks like we all got our wish for black swan.. check the thread

12/22/10

[CZAR]

Originally Posted by iam1bearcat

i thought they did too but it doesn't make sense to me though because episodes of True Blood, Rome and Dexter are all 45-50 minutes. what do they do for the other ten minutes??

Sometimes if a show ends early they just shows trailers for other shows or films and things like that. But during the movie or show there is no interruptions at all. Got Em!!

Originally Posted by jhiggy23

Titanic is an exceptional film that is generally hated only by those that are blinded by its success. It's objectively a fantastic cinematic achievement, from a technical perspective. Some may like the love story and some may not, that's all well and good. However, it doesn't do a disservice to the tragic event like Pearl Harbor did. That film embarassed those that know anything about the event. Titanic was widely seen as masterfully showing what happened, even despite some things that Jack and Rose would not have been able to do. Even the harshest of historians admitted that it was very true to life. Furthermore, that film alone created a fervent interest in Titanic. For all those reasons, Titanic is a rare achievement.

Do I think the love story actually took place?? Really? Since when did anyone think that Jack and Rose's story took place? The event is historical, not the love story. Could that love story have taken place? No, because as historians point out Jack wouldn't have been able to move about the ship the way he did. However, that certainly doesn't mean that love affairs did not take place on that ship.

Pearl Harbor wanted to be a love story first and foremost and a historical piece second. Titanic wanted to be a historical piece probably even more than a love story. At worst, they were meant to be equal.

Well damn Jhiggy I shouldve known u was gonna write a novel haha. Anyway I aint judging the Titanic as I havnt seen it but I know what took place and I was just using that as an example. What I was trying to get at was people hate on Pearl harbor because of the love story. I rarely hear bad things about how it depicted the war but that it had to much of a love story. Anyway what about Hurt Locker? I have heard several "real" Iraq soldiers talk bad about that film and how bad it depicts what is taking place and u said it was a great film! Whats up with that? Got Em!!

[iam1bearcat]

Originally Posted by jhiggy23

Titanic is an exceptional film that is generally hated only by those that are blinded by its success. It's objectively a fantastic cinematic achievement, from a technical perspective. Some may like the love story and some may not, that's all well and good. However, it doesn't do a disservice to the tragic event like Pearl Harbor did. That film embarassed those that know anything about the event. Titanic was widely seen as masterfully showing what happened, even despite some things that Jack and Rose would not have been able to do. Even the harshest of historians admitted that it was very true to life. Furthermore, that film alone created a fervent interest in Titanic. For all those reasons, Titanic is a rare achievement.

Do I think the love story actually took place?? Really? Since when did anyone think that Jack and Rose's story took place? The event is historical, not the love story. Could that love story have taken place? No, because as historians point out Jack wouldn't have been able to move about the ship the way he did. However, that certainly doesn't mean that love affairs did not take place on that ship.

Pearl Harbor wanted to be a love story first and foremost and a historical piece second. Titanic wanted to be a historical piece probably even more than a love story. At worst, they were meant to be equal.

the two are very different of course, but the way i see it:

TITANIC: needed the love story in the film, because otherwise all of us were just waiting for a boat full of mainly rich people to sink and that would have probably been boring as fudge without the love story.

PEARL HARBOR: didn't at all need the love story and was tacked on to make money. the film wasn't made to tell a historic tale, like it should have been. there are tons of stuff surrounding Pearl Harbor the writers / Michael Bay could have worked with, not a needless love story. look at war movies like Black Hawk Down, SPR and even Band of Brothers, they succeeded greatly without a massive love story (or any, really), but Pearl Harbor thought it couldn't?

it seemed to me like the people who wrote Pearl Harbor thought only guys were gonna go because "it's a war movie" so they threw in the love story to attract a female audience as well. bad move imo.

[Al_The_Strange]

Used to love "Pearl Harbor" back in high school. These days, my rating would probably haved dropped some. I ought to rewatch it some time.

[CZAR]

Originally Posted by iam1bearcat

the two are very different of course, but the way i see it:

TITANIC: needed the love story in the film, because otherwise all of us were just waiting for a boat full of mainly rich people to sink and that would have probably been boring as fudge without the love story.

PEARL HARBOR: didn't at all need the love story and was tacked on to make money. the film wasn't made to tell a historic tale, like it should have been. there are tons of stuff surrounding Pearl Harbor the writers / Michael Bay could have worked with, not a needless love story. look at war movies like Black Hawk Down, SPR and even Band of Brothers, they succeeded greatly without a massive love story (or any, really), but Pearl Harbor thought it couldn't?

it seemed to me like the people who wrote Pearl Harbor thought only guys were gonna go because "it's a war movie" so they threw in the love story to attract a female audience as well. bad move imo.

Thats what u think but I dont believe thats what Bay and the studios thought. I think thats the idea they had and thats how they wanted to create the film. It gives the movie more elements and balance. We dont want just fighting nonstop like BHD. I think Pearl harbor is a much better film than BHD actually also. U cant say its ok for one film to create a fake love story but not the other. Both are great tragic events that took place. My thoughts. Got Em!!

[iam1bearcat]

Originally Posted by CZAR

Thats what u think but I dont believe thats what Bay and the studios thought. I think thats the idea they had and thats how they wanted to create the film. It gives the movie more elements and balance. We dont want just fighting nonstop like BHD. I think Pearl harbor is a much better film than BHD actually also. U cant say its ok for one film to create a fake love story but not the other. Both are great tragic events that took place. My thoughts. Got Em!!

i'm just saying that Pearl Harbor has a lot of history to work with, so they could have easily made a 2.5 hour movie (or even longer can't remember) jam packed with interesting stories and characters and have one NOT be a love story.

meanwhile, Titanic, i don't know what they would have done for a three hour movie WITHOUT the love story.

i'm not saying it's bad Pearl Harbor has it, but i don't feel they needed it with everything that happened surrounding such an event

[CZAR]

Originally Posted by iam1bearcat

i'm just saying that Pearl Harbor has a lot of history to work with, so they could have easily made a 2.5 hour movie (or even longer can't remember) jam packed with interesting stories and characters and have one NOT be a love story.

meanwhile, Titanic, i don't know what they would have done for a three hour movie WITHOUT the love story.

i'm not saying it's bad Pearl Harbor has it, but i don't feel they needed it with everything that happened surrounding such an event

Well here is an easy answer......................Titanic didnt have to be 3 hours long haha. It couldve been 30 minutes long and it wouldve been considered the greatest short film of all time!!! Got Em!!

[iam1bearcat]

Originally Posted by CZAR

Well here is an easy answer......................Titanic didnt have to be 3 hours long haha. It couldve been 30 minutes long and it wouldve been considered the greatest short film of all time!!! Got Em!!

haha agreed. i haven't watched it for many years, but i remember seeing it in theaters right before going to Christmas at my grandma's house and when me and my mom left we were about 90 minutes late to dinner because we had no idea it was so effin' long

[nolfoc]

Originally Posted by CZAR

Thats what u think but I dont believe thats what Bay and the studios thought. I think thats the idea they had and thats how they wanted to create the film. It gives the movie more elements and balance. We dont want just fighting nonstop like BHD. I think Pearl harbor is a much better film than BHD actually also. U cant say its ok for one film to create a fake love story but not the other. Both are great tragic events that took place. My thoughts. Got Em!!

+1 agreed totally with this and will add that its not just a love story but a story about 2 childhood friends growing up and dealing with real life issues, and showing them grow as 2 people especially when Affleck was announced dead at war. it showed the other friend grow on his own after his whole life he looked up to his best friend.. Pearl Harbor does deliver yes it may not be a true war movie but its still shows the history of Pearl Harbor and Bay did a fantastic job with it...

[AKORIS]

okay, changing the subject a bit--

after years of friend's recommendations I finally bought and just watched THE BOONDOCK SAINTS--

I love vigilante films from DEATH WISH to THE BRAVE ONE so I figured at the very least I'd find it to be a good movie--

as I was watching the movie I kept waiting for something great to happen... and it never did

it was "okay" but I don't understand the cult following-- anyone want to share your thoughts about what makes this one so special??

[nolfoc]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

okay, changing the subject a bit--

after years of friend's recommendations I finally bought and just watched THE BOONDOCK SAINTS--

I love vigilante films from DEATH WISH to THE BRAVE ONE so I figured at the very least I'd find it to be a good movie--

as I was watching the movie I kept waiting for something great to happen... and it never did

it was "okay" but I don't understand the cult following-- anyone want to share your thoughts about what makes this one so special??

i first heard about this movie when i was in college, and loved with when i was there, it had a following, when i graduated school i didnt enjoy the movie at all anymore.. thinking about it now, its one of those movies that when your friends want to hype up and if you like it then your in the in crowd and if you dont you have issues thats just how i feel about the movie, it does not age well and the sequel was a disgrace

[Al_The_Strange]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

okay, changing the subject a bit--

after years of friend's recommendations I finally bought and just watched THE BOONDOCK SAINTS--

I love vigilante films from DEATH WISH to THE BRAVE ONE so I figured at the very least I'd find it to be a good movie--

as I was watching the movie I kept waiting for something great to happen... and it never did

it was "okay" but I don't understand the cult following-- anyone want to share your thoughts about what makes this one so special??

I thought the action scenes delivered. Lots of great shoot-out scenes (and with all the slow-mo shots, it's kinda on the "Matrix" level). Lots of great photography (wild camera angles, interesting editing effects). I liked the story in general (it inherently has a lot of interesting implications, even if the movie itself never picks a moral side of it). I thought it was great on all levels, and gave it a 4.5/5.

Didn't like the sequel nearly as much though.




"It was a fire fight!!!"

[Diesel]

Look what I started





Like I mentioned in my review, I didn't mind the love story or the focus on Affleck's character and his friend, but it was way to focused on that in my opinion. The attack and the events preceding and proceeding the attacks should have been the major focus of the film with those characters being the secondary focus. It would have made for a better film by bringing in more of the actual story of the attack and not building up the romance angle as much.


As for Titanic, well I've made it no secret that I do not like the movie
I think its boring, uninteresting and just plain blah for the majority of the film (lots and lots and lots of people would disagree with me though )...but like Pearl Harbor the "big thing" in the movie (the sequence of the ship sinking) is pretty good and "enjoyable" for the most part. Seeing the thing go down and all those people in the water made me think of the REAL people that went through it
And that's why that part succeeds for me, because it made me feel sad for the actual people it happened to all those years ago.

[CZAR]

Originally Posted by iam1bearcat

haha agreed. i haven't watched it for many years, but i remember seeing it in theaters right before going to Christmas at my grandma's house and when me and my mom left we were about 90 minutes late to dinner because we had no idea it was so effin' long

Hahahaa nice. Got Em!!

Originally Posted by nolfoc

+1 agreed totally with this and will add that its not just a love story but a story about 2 childhood friends growing up and dealing with real life issues, and showing them grow as 2 people especially when Affleck was announced dead at war. it showed the other friend grow on his own after his whole life he looked up to his best friend.. Pearl Harbor does deliver yes it may not be a true war movie but its still shows the history of Pearl Harbor and Bay did a fantastic job with it...

I taught u well. Got Em!!

Originally Posted by Diesel

Look what I started





Like I mentioned in my review, I didn't mind the love story or the focus on Affleck's character and his friend, but it was way to focused on that in my opinion. The attack and the events preceding and proceeding the attacks should have been the major focus of the film with those characters being the secondary focus. It would have made for a better film by bringing in more of the actual story of the attack and not building up the romance angle as much.


As for Titanic, well I've made it no secret that I do not like the movie
I think its boring, uninteresting and just plain blah for the majority of the film (lots and lots and lots of people would disagree with me though )...but like Pearl Harbor the "big thing" in the movie (the sequence of the ship sinking) is pretty good and "enjoyable" for the most part. Seeing the thing go down and all those people in the water made me think of the REAL people that went through it
And that's why that part succeeds for me, because it made me feel sad for the actual people it happened to all those years ago.

The same goes for Pearl Harbor. Its tough to think about all those people that got locked inside that ship and to this day still havnt been found. That is scary man real talk! Got Em!!

[nolfoc]

Originally Posted by CZAR

Hahahaa nice. Got Em!!



I taught u well. Got Em!!



The same goes for Pearl Harbor. Its tough to think about all those people that got locked inside that ship and to this day still havnt been found. That is scary man real talk! Got Em!!

ha we still have our issues with ticks

[iam1bearcat]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

okay, changing the subject a bit--

after years of friend's recommendations I finally bought and just watched THE BOONDOCK SAINTS--

I love vigilante films from DEATH WISH to THE BRAVE ONE so I figured at the very least I'd find it to be a good movie--

as I was watching the movie I kept waiting for something great to happen... and it never did

it was "okay" but I don't understand the cult following-- anyone want to share your thoughts about what makes this one so special??

THANK YOU! finally someone (although i'm sure there are a lot who agree with me somewhere on this site lol) who understands that this movie isn't very good. at all. in any way shape or form.

i have never understood the cult following

i guess some people just like generic and generally bland, awful films?

i watched this once and was left speechless by how childish it was made, how cardboard the acting was and how "bleh" the rest of the film was: directing, writing, scene structure, directing...

one of the most overrated films of all time in my opinion two big

[iam1bearcat]

Originally Posted by Al_The_Strange

"It was a fire fight!!!"

the cheesiest line of dialogue in any movie i have ever heard lol