81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by Crackbone

You might bash DV for some of the BS he spewed over the replication costs, but honestly, I am seeing him start to turn.

I think Dave realizes that BD is more than likely going to win this war. He might not out right say it, but his posts @ AVS have been incredibly scathing of the Red side, especially during BF week.

Personally, I don't mind DV. I think he's an enthusiast just like all of us are. I think he was bitten early by the HD DVD side of things but is coming around. Lets face it, when HD DVD launched, there were alot of early adopters that went that way...

I say, when this is all over we welcome him back to the fold as an enthusiast. I know I will.

This I agree with, he is not a bad guy at all. He certainly isnt a FUD spreader like rdjam has recently become. Not only that, he speaks very highly of Paidgeek.

Admittedly, he seems much better at getting news that is favorable to HD-DVD than for bluray. I dont know if thats so much that the HD-DVD camp has targetted him and bluray supporters shy away from him, which unfortunately means that most of the information he gets had an HD-DVD bias to it.

Based on conversations that I have had with him, I can tell you that he IS becoming more and more blu.

Many people criticize his talking about bluray replication issues, but my belief is this:

I wont believe we have a problem UNTIL WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

Im not worried about replication issues for the simple reason that NO major titles have been delayed thus far due to replication issues. We have all been able to walk into major retailers and see PotC, Spidermans, and Harry Potters or any other BD-50 film in plenty of supply. I also believe that if BD-50 was in mega short supply that films such as Halloween and Evil Dead would not have been put on BD50s.

But anyways, thats that for DV. He is not perfect, but there are FAR worse people to be worried about.

rdjams recent FUD rage has got to go down as one of the lowest points of this format war.

[mystiksuicide]

Originally Posted by merrick97

This I agree with, he is not a bad guy at all. He certainly isnt a FUD spreader like rdjam has recently become. Not only that, he speaks very highly of Paidgeek.

Admittedly, he seems much better at getting news that is favorable to HD-DVD than for bluray. I dont know if thats so much that the HD-DVD camp has targetted him and bluray supporters shy away from him, which unfortunately means that most of the information he gets had an HD-DVD bias to it.

Based on conversations that I have had with him, I can tell you that he IS becoming more and more blu.

Many people criticize his talking about bluray replication issues, but my belief is this:

I wont believe we have a problem UNTIL WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

Im not worried about replication issues for the simple reason that NO major titles have been delayed thus far due to replication issues. We have all been able to walk in and see PotC, Spidermans, and Harry Potters in plenty of supply.

Seriously, you can walk into stores and see almost every major BD-50 film in plenty of supply. I also believe that if BD-50 was in mega short supply that films such as Halloween and Evil Dead would not have been put on BD50s.

But anyways, thats that for DV. He is not perfect, but there are FAR worse people to be worried about.

rdjams recent FUD rage has got to go down as one of the lowest points of this format war.

There where many early adapters that bought in hd dvd not knowing any better back then. I have no problem with any coming to this forum and saying that they made a mistake. It's the fools who bought and continue to spew the red is better crap that have no place on this site.

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by mystiksuicide

There where many early adapters that bought in hd dvd not knowing any better back then. I have no problem with any coming to this forum and saying that they made a mistake. It's the fools who bought and continue to spew the red is better crap that have no place on this site.

+1
Anyway, Im officially moving on from the Dave Vaughn controversy. I think Ive made it clear where I stand and any further comments will only cause trouble on this thread.

If you have questions, just PM me.

[MerrickG]

On a more positive note, it has to be a good sign that Blade Runner is out of stock on blu at amazon!!

[gand41f]

Originally Posted by merrick97

On a more positive note, it has to be a good sign that Blade Runner is out of stock on blu at amazon!!

It was out of stock at Best Buy too.

enjoy
gandalf

[SGRSBSKIER]

I wonder why we haven't heard anything from WB about HP, not even DVD numbers.

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by SGRSBSKIER

I wonder why we haven't heard anything from WB about HP, not even DVD numbers.

Patience, my friend. All indications are that it sold better on bluray than HD-DVD.

[darinp2]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

But every one of those was posted with a "Blu-Ray should have done better than this" twist.

He thinks he's presenting favorable-for-HD-DVD information, and that's all that matters.

This just isn't true. I don't remember the exact wording, but for that 72:28 for Black Friday week he said something that was basically: HD DVD fans can spin it however they want, but they got their butts kicked.

I think those who have read my posts over the last year and a half or so know that I don't have a problem going after people who are deceiving others and try to keep unsuspecting people deceived. But I just don't see it with Dave. If I see him do that in the future then I'll have a problem with it, but I really think a lot of this hatred of Dave here is pretty irrational. I don't know the guy personally, but I haven't seen any signs that he has done anything other than try to provide accurate information.

--Darin

[L or S of Perfect?]

^^

Did you see the posts here where he was arguing head to head with the insiders & caused Pman to take a vacation?

I dont like him for the fact that he tries to make it seem like his status is greater than what it is. If he's a journalist, then he shouldn't act like his word on yield rates or whatever he's talking about is the end-all answer.

It would be like if I was a journalist, and my buddy the CEO at honda talks about the manufacturing "yield rates" at chevrolet. Would my facts be more correct than the engineer at chevy (assuming we get factual information from the chevy guy)?

In some ways, I'd rather trust Amir or one of the MS execs. At least then the information is coming from the horse's mouth rather than its ass.

[dakota81]

Originally Posted by L or S of Perfect?

It would be like if I was a journalist, and my buddy the CEO at honda talks about the manufacturing "yield rates" at chevrolet. Would my facts be more correct than the engineer at chevy (assuming we get factual information from the chevy guy)?

Your analogy is already giving Dave more credit than he deserves. It would be more like if you had a buddy who worked night janitor for Honda giving you Chevy numbers.

We don't know who was feeding Dave his numbers, and considering how often they've been revised over the past 6 months, I just don't see any reason to care about anything else Dave has since said or done.


If he would just come out and say he's not an insider and it was wrong for AVS to declare himself one, and it was wrong to take the bad yield numbers and parade around like he's the kingpin... then perhaps I'll respect him. Until that happens, I just don't find him the least bit relevant.

[SGRSBSKIER]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Patience, my friend. All indications are that it sold better on bluray than HD-DVD.

I did not think it was going to sell more on HDDVD (I am hoping at least 62:38 for HP or my prediction for the week will be way wrong), but WB had a press release for 300 on a Monday, so no press release makes it look like it may have not sold that well.

[Grisle]

My BB had ay least 5 times more copies of HP OOTP than HD-DVD...and from what I could tell it wasn't from lack of sales...just more stock. The red side is dwindling even more there...like I said earlier they didn't even receive Blade Runner on HD-DVD.

[Neo65]

That's really the problem with the format war, we all have our biases to different degrees. The format war amplifies that, demonizes people with opposite biases. It polarizes opinions.

I hear it dupes willing pawns to fight out the stupid propaganda war that the both true participants should be doing, here the spectators are expected to join in and sling mud. The people who are paid for a living to push this stuff should be doing this instead.

[WiFi-Spy]

Originally Posted by mystiksuicide

There where many early adapters that bought in hd dvd not knowing any better back then.

Maybe because Early Adopters wanted to early adopt HD optical disc? I have owned an HD-A1, BD-P1000, HD-XA2, BD-P1400..... I just want to watch all the HD I can

[Crackbone]

Originally Posted by L or S of Perfect?

^^

Did you see the posts here where he was arguing head to head with the insiders & caused Pman to take a vacation?

I dont like him for the fact that he tries to make it seem like his status is greater than what it is. If he's a journalist, then he shouldn't act like his word on yield rates or whatever he's talking about is the end-all answer.

It would be like if I was a journalist, and my buddy the CEO at honda talks about the manufacturing "yield rates" at chevrolet. Would my facts be more correct than the engineer at chevy (assuming we get factual information from the chevy guy)?

In some ways, I'd rather trust Amir or one of the MS execs. At least then the information is coming from the horse's mouth rather than its ass.

Yeah, I saw it.

But I think DV was arguing what he thought to be true...

Let's put it this way shall we? Amir was a so called insider, and many took what he said as gospel... Look how that turned out...


Just because someone is an "insider" doesn't mean they don't have an agenda. It also doesn't mean they will always be truthful with the information that they have --- see "Amir"

DV is just an enthusiast, he isn't Satan, Baal, etc.

Now Rdjam is another discussion. He and the Kost man are about to have a coronary. I am not sure if its the 1.1 update for the PS3 or the fact they realize they are in a big, big hole. I think it's a little of both, because barring another huge payoff, I think Blu should wind up winning this thing in the not to distant future.

If you want to focus your format aggression, I think Rdjam or another of other disinformation agents are a better target than DV. :P

[cawgijoe]

Originally Posted by gand41f

It was out of stock at Best Buy too.

enjoy
gandalf

I got the last copy at the Fair Lakes, VA BB last night.....wasn't planning on buying till payday......but with sell outs decided to go for it.

[blix01]

Originally Posted by Neo65

That's really the problem with the format war, we all have our biases to different degrees. The format war amplifies that, demonizes people with opposite biases. It polarizes opinions.

I totally agree with this. This war is so polarized, and so many of us don't realize we are simply pawns. This loyalty to the point of blindness is crazy. We're all in the dark about what really goes on. we all have our own set of numbers, and our own insiders that feed us the information that is required to have us support them. The reds have their numbers/leads/insiders/etc. The information we get is certainly in conflict with each. I'm not naive to think that any of them are working on purely altruistic motives, and this fuels alot of the us-vs-them mentality.
Its early, and I'm getting ready for work, but just looking at these forums again and seeing the same ol things. uggg.
We're at the end of Q4, and last quarter everyone saw Q4 as being the decisive moment. We'll its about to pass and honestly, nothings really budged. Insiders on both sides are telling us any moment things will change. Q5. etc. The momentum is with HDDVD, no the momentum is with Blu. Same stories from the reds, and strangely not alot at all from our end besides "soon. just watch". And most of the people listed as insiders are completely silent. I'll stick my neck out now and say our insider thread (even the 2nd incarnation) has become something more like a variation of General Discussion. Less info is better than wrong info though (eg: rdjam's wild diatribes) but, Was stringer right in his comments? Are we truly in a stalemate and blindly hanging our hopes that Warner will one day come to our rescue?
While I'd be very disappointed if Blu-Ray doesn't win. It wouldn't be the end of the world. We'd still get great movies on a format that is better than SD. I'm just so ready for this to be done with. The really mean things I see on these forums (ours included) are sad. People lashing out and being just plain angry. Unless you are in the industry: Its just a freak'n format, and we're all just consumers. Neither format is gonna kill ya, and being a supporter of one should never make you the personal enemy of supporters of the other.

[greekjgg]

Originally Posted by blix01

I totally agree with this. This war is so polarized, and so many of us don't realize we are simply pawns. This loyalty to the point of blindness is crazy. We're all in the dark about what really goes on. we all have our own set of numbers, and our own insiders that feed us the information that is required to have us support them. The reds have their numbers/leads/insiders/etc. The information we get is certainly in conflict with each. I'm not naive to think that any of them are working on purely altruistic motives, and this fuels alot of the us-vs-them mentality.
Its early, and I'm getting ready for work, but just looking at these forums again and seeing the same ol things. uggg.
We're at the end of Q4, and last quarter everyone saw Q4 as being the decisive moment. We'll its about to pass and honestly, nothings really budged. Insiders on both sides are telling us any moment things will change. Q5. etc. The momentum is with HDDVD, no the momentum is with Blu. Same stories from the reds, and strangely not alot at all from our end besides "soon. just watch". And most of the people listed as insiders are completely silent. I'll stick my neck out now and say our insider thread (even the 2nd incarnation) has become something more like a variation of General Discussion. Less info is better than wrong info though (eg: rdjam's wild diatribes) but, Was stringer right in his comments? Are we truly in a stalemate and blindly hanging our hopes that Warner will one day come to our rescue?
While I'd be very disappointed if Blu-Ray doesn't win. It wouldn't be the end of the world. We'd still get great movies on a format that is better than SD. I'm just so ready for this to be done with. The really mean things I see on these forums (ours included) are sad. People lashing out and being just plain angry. Unless you are in the industry: Its just a freak'n format, and we're all just consumers. Neither format is gonna kill ya, and being a supporter of one should never make you the personal enemy of supporters of the other.

I think you've nailed it on the head!! It's kinda ironic in blu vs red that this format war almost mirrors the political war of democrats vs republicans. (THIS ISN'T A POLICTICAL VIEW, JUST COMPARING THE PASSION ON BOTH SIDES IN COMPARSION TO THE PARTY COLORS). Both sides seem ready to fight to the death and will spread whatever needed to "sway voters". I too get TOO involved in these discussions, even angrily with other blu supporters. It's almost like a cancer that consumes you. Really, there isn't much we can do at this point. I'm not going to go buy a Warner title, JUST TO SUPPORT THEM, when I really don't care for the movie as many in here suggest I do.
I've had my ps3 for a year now, but I've only purchased about 5 blu movies, partially because I ONLY buy titles that I really like. I don't get caught up in "whats a good deal, or we have to support blu" I also don't buy much, because THERE IS STILL A WAR. Having a ps3 and ME thinking this way, imagine how people on the fence in general feel? The numbers will come out this week AGAIN (PROBABLYin favor of BLU< AGAIN), HDDUD will spin it, we will counter-act their spin and that will go on for another 5 days until we look to next week, AGAIN. Really, the studio's have decided that they will control this war, NOT CONSUMERS, or this war would have been over for some time now. SO, we wait until CES, maybe warner goes one way or the other, but until then, what does all this bickering do?

[patrick99]

Originally Posted by Crackbone

Yeah, I saw it.

But I think DV was arguing what he thought to be true...



DV is just an enthusiast, he isn't Satan, Baal, etc.

The unanswered question is just exactly why DV was making such a big deal about the whole yield question. He took it much too far for it not to be an agenda. Only a partisan would have made so much of that issue.

[Crackbone]

Originally Posted by patrick99

The unanswered question is just exactly why DV was making such a big deal about the whole yield question. He took it much too far for it not to be an agenda. Only a partisan would have made so much of that issue.

Perhaps, but I think the blu wind is catching him too.

As I said before, he's been remarkably hard on the Red Ants lately, especially in regards to sales numbers.

This week will be tighter than usual, but, as Darin has said before and I agree, this week is stacked in HD DVDs favor. The deck has been stacked and if BD still wins, I have no doubt we have a clean sweep for the year, and beyond. After Jan, I think HD DVD doesn't have a card left to play.