Are there any HDMI-1.3 Receivers yet? - Blu-ray Forum

JimPullan · 01-16-2007, 01:03 PM

Are you aware of any Pre-Amp's or Receivers that have multiple HDMI-1.3 Inputs and Outputs, that may have been shown at CES ?

I have the Sony 70" XBR2 1080p SXRD TV, a Sony BDP-S1 Blu-Ray player, the Sony Playstation 3, and just ordered the Toshiba HD-XA2, and in the spring when Sony introduces their second generation player (Sapphire) which includes HDMI-1.3 output, I'll change out the BDP-S1 for it. Now, I need a Pre-Amp or Receiver with HDMI switching (3-4 Inputs - 1 Output). Anyone know what's out there?

Jim

ClaytonMG · 01-16-2007, 04:22 PM

Actually I am wanting a new reciever with this too. I just need one with HDMI, but when I buy a reciever I expect it to last me a while so I'd like one with HDMI 1.3. Prefferably a Yamaha THX Certifed one (I have their 2500 model and it's the best thing I've heard). So if anyone hears or knows anything about any new models coming out, let us know!!! Thanx!

dobyblue · 01-16-2007, 04:33 PM

Check the CES : Receiver Thread - there is all the info in there.

Rugbynerd · 01-17-2007, 02:35 AM

The only receiver that I know of that has a 1.3 HDMI input that can do 1080p is the yamaha 1700, or 2700, or something like that (I know it has a 7 in it). I saw it at Ultimate Electronics the other day. I think the 2700 has the multiple HDMI ports.

Does anyone else find it retarded that the PS3 technically can play SACD's, but cannot output that audio in the digital optical format, but only through stereo or through HDMI?

Amon37 · 01-19-2007, 02:56 PM

I don't have a receiver that has HDMI at the moment and was possibly looking to upgrade. Why would I want to wait for a receiver that has HDMI 1.3? What's the difference between 1.3 and 1.1?

bataylor1314 · 01-19-2007, 03:06 PM

1.3 allows you to pass the new HD audio formats to your receiver and logically a 1.3 capable receiver can decode these formats as well. The HD audio formats include Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD. I just bought a Pioneer VSX-82TXS but now I think I will upgrade when Pioneer releases a 1.3 capable Elite product.

Amon37 · 01-19-2007, 03:11 PM

So if I have a PS3 which I thought can decode those signals already would I still need a 1.3 capable reciever?

ClaytonMG · 01-19-2007, 04:27 PM

Yes, you would need a new reciever unless you're using the analog outputs (which I am not sure if the PS3 has...). Using the HDMI 1.3 outputs, you'd have a lossless format. Right now it's lossy meaning your 1's and 0's aren't all makin it over to the reciever. Not to mention a lot of people don't like it when a reciever decodes the signal instead of the player. I personally love the way my reciever sounds using the coax output on my Sony BDP-S1. But I do have a somewhat higher end reciever too (not THAT much higher end, but just a little).

Knight-Errant · 01-19-2007, 04:51 PM

My BDs sound good using the analog outs on my Sony to the receiver.

It'll tide me over until I come to upgrade the player someday.

Amon37 · 01-19-2007, 05:26 PM

Right now I have HDMI for video and Optical cable for sound. Since my reciever doesn't have HDMI but I was going to upgrade to the Onkyo-604 receiver http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Onkyo...oductDetail.do so I can use the PCM audio for BD's and 7.1 on PS3 games.

chicago_29 · 01-24-2007, 02:52 AM

This isn't true...you do NOT need a receiver that has HDMI 1.3 with the PS3, but it will need HDMI. The PS3 decodes the new audio formats (Dolby Digital Plus, TrueHD, etc), and it can output them as PCM. As long as there is an HDMI connection you're fine.

dobyblue · 01-24-2007, 01:33 PM

You will need an HDMI 1.3 receiver to decode DTS-HD Master Audio.
There is still no date set to add DTS-MA decoding to the PS3.

An HDMI 1.1 receiver will allow you to receive PCM and TrueHD, when the TrueHD is decoded by the PS3. It will not let you send TrueHD to the receiver in its undecoded format.

If you don't have an HDMI 1.3 receiver you should have your HDMI output set to "PCM"

When you get an HDMI 1.3 receiver and you want the receiver to do the decoding, which you'll have to do to get DTS-MA, you'll want the HDMI output set to "bitstream"

Amon37 · 01-24-2007, 04:31 PM

Well since I don't already have an HDMI receiver it looks like I'm just going to wait for the 1.3 versions. Thanks for all the info.

NovaBomb · 01-24-2007, 04:34 PM

I too am looking for a reciever. Should I consider a 1.3? Also, do I need a 1.3 HDMI cable? I got a PS3, and the HDMI Cable that is for the PS3. I've looked all over the case that it came in and it mentions nothing about what version it is.

dobyblue · 01-24-2007, 04:41 PM

I don't have an HDMI compatible receiver, so I'll also be looking for an HDMI 1.3 version. It should also be TrueHD and DTS-MA compatible, otherwise there's little point.

As for the PS3, if you have the PS3 HDMI cable you're good to go. HDMI 1.1 can handle over 4GBps transfer rate, HDMI 1.3 can handle 10.2 Gbps. Blu-ray's current maximum bit rate is 54.825 Mbps so you're nowhere near the ceiling. Any HDMI cable should do the trick.

Shadowself · 01-24-2007, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dobyblue

I don't have an HDMI compatible receiver, so I'll also be looking for an HDMI 1.3 version. It should also be TrueHD and DTS-MA compatible, otherwise there's little point.

As for the PS3, if you have the PS3 HDMI cable you're good to go. HDMI 1.1 can handle over 4GBps transfer rate, HDMI 1.3 can handle 10.2 Gbps. Blu-ray's current maximum bit rate is 54.825 Mbps so you're nowhere near the ceiling. Any HDMI cable should do the trick.

HDMI sends the actual bitstream to the monitor and/or receiver. It does not send the compressed stream. Blu-ray's limit is for the compressed stream coming off the disk. It is not for the uncompressed bit stream. The two can be more than 200:1 different in bandwidth.

dobyblue · 01-24-2007, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowself

HDMI sends the actual bitstream to the monitor and/or receiver. It does not send the compressed stream. Blu-ray's limit is for the compressed stream coming off the disk. It is not for the uncompressed bit stream. The two can be more than 200:1 different in bandwidth.

I don't see how that's possible? Can you explain this a little more?
For instance the DVD's bitstream is capped at around 10Mbps, which is also what's outputted to my receiver/television.

If the capacity of the cable can handle 10.2 Gbps and we're at 8 bit colour/60fps max and that signal uncompressed at 200:1 already exceeds 10.2 Gbps, then whatever will happen with 48 bit 120fps sources?

NovaBomb · 01-24-2007, 07:06 PM

I'm confused, are you saying that I don't need a 1.3 HDMI receiver since the PS3 already outputs in 1.3?

Sorry, I'm kind of new to this... trying to learn as much as I can.

ClaytonMG · 01-24-2007, 08:02 PM

Alright, here's what you'd need. An HDMI 1.3 reciever with an HDMI 1.3 player. That way the signal can pass through without being compromised. If you have a reciever with HDMI 1.1 and an HDMI 1.3 player, the highest quality sound you can get is PCM. But if you end up with HDMI 1.3 on the player and reciever, you can take advantage of DTS-HDMA. Right now if the player decodes the audio, it doesn't end the signal at the highest bit rate possible. I hope I have all this right and it's clear enough... If I am wrong I am sorry.

dobyblue · 01-24-2007, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NovaBomb

I'm confused, are you saying that I don't need a 1.3 HDMI receiver since the PS3 already outputs in 1.3?

Sorry, I'm kind of new to this... trying to learn as much as I can.

For audio:
If you don't need DTS-MA then you only need an HDMI 1.1 receiver.
You can have the PS3 output TrueHD as PCM and PCM as PCM by setting your output to "PCM" - HDMI 1.1 is okay for PCM.
If you set your HDMI audio output to "bitstream" and you're using either a TrueHD or DTS-MA track then you need a TrueHD and/or DTS-MA compatible receiver, which will automatically mean it's HDMI 1.3

If they release a firmware upgrade that gives the PS3 DTS-MA decoding abilities, then you'll only need an HDMI 1.1 receiver and you'll keep your PS3 set to "PCM" and it will output PCM, TrueHD and DTS-MA as PCM, which is compatible with HDMI 1.1

If you want to use SACD discs with your PS3 you will need at least an HDMI 1.2 receiver.

01-16-2007, 01:03 PM	#1
JimPullan Senior Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Ocala, FL	Are there any HDMI-1.3 Receivers yet? Are you aware of any Pre-Amp's or Receivers that have multiple HDMI-1.3 Inputs and Outputs, that may have been shown at CES ? I have the Sony 70" XBR2 1080p SXRD TV, a Sony BDP-S1 Blu-Ray player, the Sony Playstation 3, and just ordered the Toshiba HD-XA2, and in the spring when Sony introduces their second generation player (Sapphire) which includes HDMI-1.3 output, I'll change out the BDP-S1 for it. Now, I need a Pre-Amp or Receiver with HDMI switching (3-4 Inputs - 1 Output). Anyone know what's out there? Jim

01-17-2007, 02:35 AM	#4
Rugbynerd Junior Member Member since:Dec 2006	HDMI 1080P, but SACD is useless. The only receiver that I know of that has a 1.3 HDMI input that can do 1080p is the yamaha 1700, or 2700, or something like that (I know it has a 7 in it). I saw it at Ultimate Electronics the other day. I think the 2700 has the multiple HDMI ports. Does anyone else find it retarded that the PS3 technically can play SACD's, but cannot output that audio in the digital optical format, but only through stereo or through HDMI? Last edited by Rugbynerd; 01-17-2007 at 02:38 AM.

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01-16-2007, 04:22 PM	#2
ClaytonMG Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2006 Location:New Brighton, MN Home Theater Gallery:16 4K collection:839 Blu-ray collection:2379 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	Actually I am wanting a new reciever with this too. I just need one with HDMI, but when I buy a reciever I expect it to last me a while so I'd like one with HDMI 1.3. Prefferably a Yamaha THX Certifed one (I have their 2500 model and it's the best thing I've heard). So if anyone hears or knows anything about any new models coming out, let us know!!! Thanx!

01-16-2007, 04:33 PM	#3
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	Check the CES : Receiver Thread - there is all the info in there.

01-19-2007, 02:56 PM	#5
Amon37 Power Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:USA,Arizona PSNetwork: Amon37	I don't have a receiver that has HDMI at the moment and was possibly looking to upgrade. Why would I want to wait for a receiver that has HDMI 1.3? What's the difference between 1.3 and 1.1?

01-19-2007, 03:06 PM	#6
bataylor1314 Member Member since:Jan 2007	1.3 allows you to pass the new HD audio formats to your receiver and logically a 1.3 capable receiver can decode these formats as well. The HD audio formats include Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD. I just bought a Pioneer VSX-82TXS but now I think I will upgrade when Pioneer releases a 1.3 capable Elite product.

01-19-2007, 03:11 PM	#7
Amon37 Power Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:USA,Arizona PSNetwork: Amon37	So if I have a PS3 which I thought can decode those signals already would I still need a 1.3 capable reciever?

01-19-2007, 04:27 PM	#8
ClaytonMG Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2006 Location:New Brighton, MN Home Theater Gallery:16 4K collection:839 Blu-ray collection:2379 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	Yes, you would need a new reciever unless you're using the analog outputs (which I am not sure if the PS3 has...). Using the HDMI 1.3 outputs, you'd have a lossless format. Right now it's lossy meaning your 1's and 0's aren't all makin it over to the reciever. Not to mention a lot of people don't like it when a reciever decodes the signal instead of the player. I personally love the way my reciever sounds using the coax output on my Sony BDP-S1. But I do have a somewhat higher end reciever too (not THAT much higher end, but just a little).

01-19-2007, 04:51 PM	#9
Knight-Errant Power Member Member since:Aug 2005 Location:Sheffield, UK	My BDs sound good using the analog outs on my Sony to the receiver. It'll tide me over until I come to upgrade the player someday.

01-19-2007, 05:26 PM	#10
Amon37 Power Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:USA,Arizona PSNetwork: Amon37	Right now I have HDMI for video and Optical cable for sound. Since my reciever doesn't have HDMI but I was going to upgrade to the Onkyo-604 receiver http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Onkyo...oductDetail.do so I can use the PCM audio for BD's and 7.1 on PS3 games.

01-24-2007, 02:52 AM	#11
chicago_29 New Member Member since:Jan 2007	This isn't true...you do NOT need a receiver that has HDMI 1.3 with the PS3, but it will need HDMI. The PS3 decodes the new audio formats (Dolby Digital Plus, TrueHD, etc), and it can output them as PCM. As long as there is an HDMI connection you're fine.

01-24-2007, 01:33 PM	#12
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	You will need an HDMI 1.3 receiver to decode DTS-HD Master Audio. There is still no date set to add DTS-MA decoding to the PS3. An HDMI 1.1 receiver will allow you to receive PCM and TrueHD, when the TrueHD is decoded by the PS3. It will not let you send TrueHD to the receiver in its undecoded format. If you don't have an HDMI 1.3 receiver you should have your HDMI output set to "PCM" When you get an HDMI 1.3 receiver and you want the receiver to do the decoding, which you'll have to do to get DTS-MA, you'll want the HDMI output set to "bitstream"

01-24-2007, 04:31 PM	#13
Amon37 Power Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:USA,Arizona PSNetwork: Amon37	Well since I don't already have an HDMI receiver it looks like I'm just going to wait for the 1.3 versions. Thanks for all the info.

01-24-2007, 04:34 PM	#14
NovaBomb Active Member Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray collection:48	I too am looking for a reciever. Should I consider a 1.3? Also, do I need a 1.3 HDMI cable? I got a PS3, and the HDMI Cable that is for the PS3. I've looked all over the case that it came in and it mentions nothing about what version it is.

01-24-2007, 04:41 PM	#15
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	I don't have an HDMI compatible receiver, so I'll also be looking for an HDMI 1.3 version. It should also be TrueHD and DTS-MA compatible, otherwise there's little point. As for the PS3, if you have the PS3 HDMI cable you're good to go. HDMI 1.1 can handle over 4GBps transfer rate, HDMI 1.3 can handle 10.2 Gbps. Blu-ray's current maximum bit rate is 54.825 Mbps so you're nowhere near the ceiling. Any HDMI cable should do the trick.

01-24-2007, 07:06 PM	#18
NovaBomb Active Member Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray collection:48	I'm confused, are you saying that I don't need a 1.3 HDMI receiver since the PS3 already outputs in 1.3? Sorry, I'm kind of new to this... trying to learn as much as I can.

01-24-2007, 08:02 PM	#19
ClaytonMG Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2006 Location:New Brighton, MN Home Theater Gallery:16 4K collection:839 Blu-ray collection:2379 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	Alright, here's what you'd need. An HDMI 1.3 reciever with an HDMI 1.3 player. That way the signal can pass through without being compromised. If you have a reciever with HDMI 1.1 and an HDMI 1.3 player, the highest quality sound you can get is PCM. But if you end up with HDMI 1.3 on the player and reciever, you can take advantage of DTS-HDMA. Right now if the player decodes the audio, it doesn't end the signal at the highest bit rate possible. I hope I have all this right and it's clear enough... If I am wrong I am sorry.

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