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JTK · 12-20-2007, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueNeon

Very well said. 61-39 is better than most (including myself) had anticipated. I was dreaming of 60-40, so this is even better. Great sales for POTC 3, I love it

Indeed. I was expecting around that range as well and here's why: Bourne is a nice film but the combo discs aren't popular even with some of the HD-DVD zealots. It's just not that big. I think they're losing steam on the red side as well.

And it's downhill from here for them, because they've got nothing else big and exclusive for the forseeable future, at least.

ikbradley · 12-20-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JTK

Indeed. I was expecting around that range as well and here's why: Bourne is a nice film but the combo discs aren't popular even with some of the HD-DVD zealots. It's just not that big. I think they're losing steam on the red side as well.

And it's downhill from here for them, because they've got nothing else big and exclusive for the forseeable future, at least.

This has gotta hurt HD DVD zealots. This was the last shot for glory. January and February is pretty abysmal with 95% of notable releases coming out on Blu.

I think its going to be 67+ for Blu from here on out.

Blubaru · 12-20-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ikbradley

This has gotta hurt HD DVD zealots. This was the last shot for glory. January and February is pretty abysmal with 95% of notable releases coming out on Blu.

I think its going to be 67+ for Blu from here on out.

lol. They will just spin this as a win.

AaronSCH · 12-20-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I have to be honest: I'm very disappointed and surprised Blu only took Potters by 1.2:1 and 1.3:1 for the boxset. Obviously, the HD DVD boys knew how crucial this was to their format with the Warner situation.

Many are missing the point that there have been many more high profile releases on Blu-ray than HD DVD. This cuts the pie into smaller pieces on the Blu-side. HD DVD owners have had few decent titles to choose from recently and of course they would choose to jump on those releases right away. The software race is a marathon not a sprint. I think Blu-ray sales for all of Warner's titles will significantly out pace HD DVD through the first quarter of '08 and beyond (as long as they continue neutrality). My prediction at another forum was 70:30 for Blu-ray by the time all the numbers are counted. I still believe it will be true.

stockstar1138 · 12-20-2007, 01:56 PM

i don't know if this has been said, but the 1.2:1 Harry Potter numbers could be very misleading. given that the box set and SAL units were probably combined in the 1.2:1 ratio, here's how this could be very potentially misleading. HP blu-ray sells 100k SKUs, HP hd dvd sells 80k SKUs, both sell 60k of the OOTP SAL, blu-ray sells 40k of teh box set, hd dvd sells 20k of the box set. This means blu-ray sold a total of 260k blu-ray discs from potter while HD DVD only sold 160k total hd dvd discs from potter, now magically we are back to that 1.6:1 ratio. I think it is very likely that more blu-ray owners would buy the box set as 1. its expensive and hd dvd owners tend to be cheaper; 2. A lot of hardcore HD DVD buyers who would buy an expensive box set already imported Goblet from the UK, so they are just going to pick up the other 4 as SALs (further increasing the SKU ratio for HD DVD). thoughts?

JackStraw · 12-20-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronSCH

An important fact many are missing out on is that there have been many more high profile releases on Blu-ray than HD DVD. This cuts the pie into smaller pieces on the Blu-side. HD DVD owners have had few decent titles to choose from recently and of course they would choose to jump on those releases right away. The software race is a marathon not a sprint. I think Blu-ray sales for all of Warner's titles will significantly out pace HD DVD through the first quarter of '08 and beyond (as long as they continue neutrality). My prediction at another forum was 70:30 for Blu-ray by the time all the numbers are counted. I still believe it will be true.

That's one of the most important things. There's a lot of high profile blu ray titles over the course of a few weeks. It's not easy to afford every single title on the "wish list" the day it comes out, so you spread it out over time (probably why Warner's does so well on BD over time).

Anyway, it's looking to be a clean sweep for the year, defintely something to congratulate ourselves over. Next stop is taking HD DVD out of the picture for good.

Hopefully in a few weeks that aspect will be much more in focus.

AaronSCH · 12-20-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stockstar1138

i don't know if this has been said, but the 1.2:1 Harry Potter numbers could be very misleading...

Good point if you have been checking the Amazon numbers lately, the Harry Potter box set has indeed been leading the HD DVD version. It is ranked 137 to 191 for the HD DVD at this writing.

atomik kinder · 12-20-2007, 02:20 PM

I just wanted to share a few thoughts about the whole Harry Potter ratio and Warner maybe going Blu-ray exclusively. If Warner is really coming to its senses and wants this war to end (one would think they do) they would drop HD DVD and go with Blu-ray exclusively. One of the things that you have to consider is that Warner is not going to lose 35% to 40% of the hi def market if they drop HD DVD. (Yes, I know this works both ways.) There are a lot of neutral people that always buy HD DVD instead of the Blu-ray version. Even some people on this forum. You know who you are. Shame on you.

Anyway, if Warner decided to drop HD DVD, how much would their sales really drop? All those so called neutral people will be forced to buy the Blu-ray version. Plus, all the other Warner titles on Blu-ray seem to sell much better for a longer period of time than the HD DVD. I am sure Warner knows this. They are not stupid. (I wouldn't even say Paramount was stupid. They knew there was no way they were going to make $150million selling Blu-ray all year long or even 18 months for that matter.) Warner did not take the bribe from Toshiba the first time, what makes people think they would take it again if offered? Many people are calling for the end of this thing and many are predicting that it will be over this year, but didn't they predict that it would be over this year too?
I am not saying that Warner WILL go Blu-ray only, but if they are smart they will. I really doubt that they would go HD DVD exclusive. That would just drag this thing out longer than anyone wants. Hopefully they will take some action in the first month of the new year so all the other pieces can fall into place. Anyway, just my thoughts.

stockstar1138 · 12-20-2007, 02:38 PM

i really don't care about wb at the hd dvd press conference. you guys don't know how much arm twisting was done to get them there. its going to be the same exact hd dvd bs. they aren't going to go up there and announce hd dvd exclusivity, so other than that, who cares. all they are going to get up there and say is "interactive that, online this, wb is pushing the boundries of interactivity on hd dvd." so its going to be the same exact crap out of them we get all the time with hd dvd. i think you guys are going to be suprised at how much better the blu-ray keynote is than the hd dvd one is, and i think you are also going to be suprised at how obvious it is going to be that wb favors blu after hearing them speak on behalf of both at ces.

don't be too suprised if wb cancels there hd dvd speech at the last min. i think its been obvious by how warner has handled these rumors, that they want to limit the damage and by announcing they will speak at the hd dvd keynote, it really limits the amount of phone calls, e-mails, and letters they are getting from the hd dvd fanboys right now. at the last min. they pull out of the hd dvd keynote, we have about 18 hours of rumors going around the net about why, then they announce blu-ray exclusivty at the blu-ray keynote. this is a very likely scenario. very likely that they are now saying they will be looking at jan. numbers just to limit the damage for the time being.

bluperch · 12-20-2007, 02:40 PM

Good numbers. Now sit. Roll over. GOOD numbers!

blitz6speed · 12-20-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by darinp2

The 61:39 was great, but the 1.2:1 for a big neutral title from Warner, not so great. I would have been happier with 55:45 and 1.7:1 for HP5 than 61:39 and 1.2:1. Just calling it like I see it. Both sides had something to be happy about for last week's sales.

And this next week, I would rather see 2+:1 for Blade Runner and 65:35 overall than 1.2:1 for Blade Runner and 75:25 overall.

--Darin

Darin

I agree that the 1.2:1 is not ideal, but we cannot focus on that. HD DVD had their last BIG exclusive for a LONG time to come hit the format and lost almost 2:1, thats the kind of thing that makes executives cry. I think it is safe to say that potter sales will die down hard for HD DVD, just like everything else they release, since they dont have the userbase to keep sales going strong week after week for older titles, but BD does. Its just going to get even more ugly from here for HD DVD, and really, all this fantastic momentum will rely on Warners from here on out. They know the real sales info, they know they have messed up the box set AND the GOF single discs, they know the issues at hand and that BD still outsold HD. I guess we will see soon enough what they really think, but one thing for sure is, BD really made a mess of HD DVDs last stand in 07.

PS3Maniac · 12-20-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SpaceDog

Hybrid player? I'm not thrilled with WB Having anything to do with HD-DVD at CES. Unless they are there to deliver a dear John letter.

That would be the most hilarious thing to come out of this stupid war. "Hi, guys. We're sorry, but we're gonna have to drop support for you" **leaves stage**

bhampton · 12-20-2007, 02:49 PM

Quote "I agree that the 1.2:1 is not ideal"

that doesn't phase me at all. I know they are thinking here it is one of the last fun home theater type movies HD DUD is likely to get ... I better pick this one up now before WB drops the hammer.

-Brian

sj001 · 12-20-2007, 02:50 PM

I think with all the different SKUs and boxed sets, it's really cut down on how much could be sold of each individual Potter movie. These gaps will widen as the years progresses, because as we all know, Red always starts out with everyone buying, and then drops off of a cliff afterwards.

bhampton · 12-20-2007, 02:51 PM

Quote "That would be the most hilarious thing to come out of this stupid war. "Hi, guys. We're sorry, but we're gonna have to drop support for you" **leaves stage**"

I think they ought to show more class about it then Paramount did and say look we have these upcoming titles still coming to HD DVD and we're excited about them but after that we're done nursing this dying dog.

-Brian

roachxp · 12-20-2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

It is true.

"300"

Week 1 - 1.91:1
Week 2 - 2.47:1
Week 3 - 2.22:1

That doesn't help 300 on HDDVD was already packed in with Gen3 players in August, only gen1+2 bought them

Esox50 · 12-20-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by stockstar1138

you guys don't know how much arm twisting was done to get them there... its going to be the same exact hd dvd bs. they aren't going to go up there and announce hd dvd exclusivity, so other than that, who cares... i think you guys are going to be suprised at how much better the blu-ray keynote is than the hd dvd one is, and i think you are also going to be suprised at how obvious it is going to be that wb favors blu after hearing them speak on behalf of both at ces.

don't be too suprised if wb cancels there hd dvd speech at the last min. i think its been obvious by how warner has handled these rumors, that they want to limit the damage and by announcing they will speak at the hd dvd keynote, it really limits the amount of phone calls, e-mails, and letters they are getting from the hd dvd fanboys right now. at the last min. they pull out of the hd dvd keynote, we have about 18 hours of rumors going around the net about why, then they announce blu-ray exclusivty at the blu-ray keynote. this is a very likely scenario. very likely that they are now saying they will be looking at jan. numbers just to limit the damage for the time being.

Sorry to doubt, but what exactly are you implying above? Do you have some sort of inside information on the content of the CES presentations? Or does it just read that way (but it's really just your opinion)?

If you're going to make a post like that, I think you should clarify what you mean, and if you indeed believe you have solid inside information (without compromising your sources of course).

GregBlu5 · 12-20-2007, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bhampton

Quote "That would be the most hilarious thing to come out of this stupid war. "Hi, guys. We're sorry, but we're gonna have to drop support for you" **leaves stage**"

I think they ought to show more class about it then Paramount did and say look we have these upcoming titles still coming to HD DVD and we're excited about them but after that we're done nursing this dying dog.

-Brian

The only problem is that the HD DVD fans would be buying even more titles that would no longer be compatible with the surviving/thriving format.

I know I wish I'd not bought the last few laserdiscs and bought their DVD equivalents instead. I hung on just a bit longer, too long in fact. And not too many months later, I really wish I'd just switched earlier when I realized that DVD was going to be the format of the (near) future, not laserdisc.

It's a tough call. To you cut them off cold turkey or wean them off HD DVD? Tough love, I say (having been on the other end of the dying format).

-Greg

krispyjala · 12-20-2007, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GregBlu5

The only problem is that the HD DVD fans would be buying even more titles that would no longer be compatible with the surviving/thriving format.

I know I wish I'd not bought the last few laserdiscs and bought their DVD equivalents instead. I hung on just a bit longer, too long in fact. And not too many months later, I really wish I'd just switched earlier when I realized that DVD was going to be the format of the (near) future, not laserdisc.

It's a tough call. To you cut them off cold turkey or wean them off HD DVD? Tough love, I say (having been on the other end of the dying format).

-Greg

But those laserdiscs are sooo big and shiny!

greekjgg · 12-20-2007, 03:12 PM

Warner Bros is in a tricky spot here. Lets say they announce blu only in a few weeks? Where does that leave them with all their HDDUD customers? Not too happy!! They give a negative perception that xmas was to take advantage of it's customers one last time when they new full well that in a few weeks, they would no longer support it. The media loves this kind of crap.

I think that WB is MORE likely to stay format neutral a little longer now, BUT formally say that they believe blu is the better format and believe it to be the future. Much like "the troops are leaving, but over the course of 6 to 9 months."

This sends a message to the public as well as RETAILERS who would be more confident in choosing the blu format as we ALL know they are frustrated by having to support retail space for TWO new formats. This would in effect start a snowball effect.

12-20-2007, 02:38 PM	#8349
stockstar1138 Banned Member since:Apr 2007	i really don't care about wb at the hd dvd press conference. you guys don't know how much arm twisting was done to get them there. its going to be the same exact hd dvd bs. they aren't going to go up there and announce hd dvd exclusivity, so other than that, who cares. all they are going to get up there and say is "interactive that, online this, wb is pushing the boundries of interactivity on hd dvd." so its going to be the same exact crap out of them we get all the time with hd dvd. i think you guys are going to be suprised at how much better the blu-ray keynote is than the hd dvd one is, and i think you are also going to be suprised at how obvious it is going to be that wb favors blu after hearing them speak on behalf of both at ces. don't be too suprised if wb cancels there hd dvd speech at the last min. i think its been obvious by how warner has handled these rumors, that they want to limit the damage and by announcing they will speak at the hd dvd keynote, it really limits the amount of phone calls, e-mails, and letters they are getting from the hd dvd fanboys right now. at the last min. they pull out of the hd dvd keynote, we have about 18 hours of rumors going around the net about why, then they announce blu-ray exclusivty at the blu-ray keynote. this is a very likely scenario. very likely that they are now saying they will be looking at jan. numbers just to limit the damage for the time being. Last edited by stockstar1138; 12-20-2007 at 02:44 PM.

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12-20-2007, 01:56 PM	#8345
stockstar1138 Banned Member since:Apr 2007	i don't know if this has been said, but the 1.2:1 Harry Potter numbers could be very misleading. given that the box set and SAL units were probably combined in the 1.2:1 ratio, here's how this could be very potentially misleading. HP blu-ray sells 100k SKUs, HP hd dvd sells 80k SKUs, both sell 60k of the OOTP SAL, blu-ray sells 40k of teh box set, hd dvd sells 20k of the box set. This means blu-ray sold a total of 260k blu-ray discs from potter while HD DVD only sold 160k total hd dvd discs from potter, now magically we are back to that 1.6:1 ratio. I think it is very likely that more blu-ray owners would buy the box set as 1. its expensive and hd dvd owners tend to be cheaper; 2. A lot of hardcore HD DVD buyers who would buy an expensive box set already imported Goblet from the UK, so they are just going to pick up the other 4 as SALs (further increasing the SKU ratio for HD DVD). thoughts?

12-20-2007, 02:20 PM	#8348
atomik kinder Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Omaha NE 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:-	I just wanted to share a few thoughts about the whole Harry Potter ratio and Warner maybe going Blu-ray exclusively. If Warner is really coming to its senses and wants this war to end (one would think they do) they would drop HD DVD and go with Blu-ray exclusively. One of the things that you have to consider is that Warner is not going to lose 35% to 40% of the hi def market if they drop HD DVD. (Yes, I know this works both ways.) There are a lot of neutral people that always buy HD DVD instead of the Blu-ray version. Even some people on this forum. You know who you are. Shame on you. Anyway, if Warner decided to drop HD DVD, how much would their sales really drop? All those so called neutral people will be forced to buy the Blu-ray version. Plus, all the other Warner titles on Blu-ray seem to sell much better for a longer period of time than the HD DVD. I am sure Warner knows this. They are not stupid. (I wouldn't even say Paramount was stupid. They knew there was no way they were going to make $150million selling Blu-ray all year long or even 18 months for that matter.) Warner did not take the bribe from Toshiba the first time, what makes people think they would take it again if offered? Many people are calling for the end of this thing and many are predicting that it will be over this year, but didn't they predict that it would be over this year too? I am not saying that Warner WILL go Blu-ray only, but if they are smart they will. I really doubt that they would go HD DVD exclusive. That would just drag this thing out longer than anyone wants. Hopefully they will take some action in the first month of the new year so all the other pieces can fall into place. Anyway, just my thoughts.

12-20-2007, 02:40 PM	#8350
bluperch Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Lakewood, CO	Good numbers. Now sit. Roll over. GOOD numbers!

12-20-2007, 02:49 PM	#8353
bhampton Blu-ray Count Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:988 Blu-ray collection:2544 DVD collection:67 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:18	Quote "I agree that the 1.2:1 is not ideal" that doesn't phase me at all. I know they are thinking here it is one of the last fun home theater type movies HD DUD is likely to get ... I better pick this one up now before WB drops the hammer. -Brian

12-20-2007, 02:50 PM	#8354
sj001 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Rochester, NY Blu-ray collection:317 DVD collection:17 Trading Score:5	I think with all the different SKUs and boxed sets, it's really cut down on how much could be sold of each individual Potter movie. These gaps will widen as the years progresses, because as we all know, Red always starts out with everyone buying, and then drops off of a cliff afterwards.

12-20-2007, 02:51 PM	#8355
bhampton Blu-ray Count Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:988 Blu-ray collection:2544 DVD collection:67 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:18	Quote "That would be the most hilarious thing to come out of this stupid war. "Hi, guys. We're sorry, but we're gonna have to drop support for you" leaves stage" I think they ought to show more class about it then Paramount did and say look we have these upcoming titles still coming to HD DVD and we're excited about them but after that we're done nursing this dying dog. -Brian

12-20-2007, 03:12 PM	#8360
greekjgg Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007 Trading Score:1	Warner Bros is in a tricky spot here. Lets say they announce blu only in a few weeks? Where does that leave them with all their HDDUD customers? Not too happy!! They give a negative perception that xmas was to take advantage of it's customers one last time when they new full well that in a few weeks, they would no longer support it. The media loves this kind of crap. I think that WB is MORE likely to stay format neutral a little longer now, BUT formally say that they believe blu is the better format and believe it to be the future. Much like "the troops are leaving, but over the course of 6 to 9 months." This sends a message to the public as well as RETAILERS who would be more confident in choosing the blu format as we ALL know they are frustrated by having to support retail space for TWO new formats. This would in effect start a snowball effect.

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