81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[jon s]

A non-biased observation...

While I have no doubt that Blu will do better than Red, my interest would be how well Harry Potter did on both sides. There have been rumors that the Potter sales are more or less even between the two formats. If so, that could mean that Toshiba's fire sale on players could be making an impact on disc sales.

Overall sales are nice for ratios, but a lot of the percentages are due to the fact that Blu has had more title releases than Red. A more revealing figure of sales would be the Warner title sales on each side, as you are now comparing oranges to oranges instead of apple to oranges. If Warner sees that Potter sales are more evenly distributed, in their eyes they would just prolong the format war to push sales either way. If their own title sales also show that the Blu titles are overwhelming better than Red, then I can see that the future for Red is dimming.

[SpikesBluBlooded]

Originally Posted by jon s

A non-biased observation...

While I have no doubt that Blu will do better than Red, my interest would be how well Harry Potter did on both sides. There have been rumors that the Potter sales are more or less even between the two formats. If so, that could mean that Toshiba's fire sale on players could be making an impact on disc sales.

Overall sales are nice for ratios, but a lot of the percentages are due to the fact that Blu has had more title releases than Red. A more revealing figure of sales would be the Warner title sales on each side, as you are now comparing oranges to oranges instead of apple to oranges. If Warner sees that Potter sales are more evenly distributed, in their eyes they would just prolong the format war to push sales either way. If their own title sales also show that the Blu titles are overwhelming better than Red, then I can see that the future for Red is dimming.

I feel it prudent to point out that there were a lot of problems with HP on Blu, and that returns/exchanges I'm sure had an impact. I still haven't heard from any of our retail members if stock was pulled from the shelves due to this snafu or not, but I DO know that it was a widespread problem. That said, I don't think that the HP numbers would be a good benchmark.

[EDIT] As far as "apples to apples vs. apples to oranges" go, though, I don't think you can use one studio (just because they're neutral), or worse one title, as your indicator of how well the formats are doing against one another. In the end it's title availability and the total numbers of those titles being purchased on either format that will indicate which format is doing better. Why? Because in the end "it's all about the Benjamins".

[sj001]

Even with the HP numbers having BD tech issues, Blu numbers will creep up to their usually approximation of 2 to 1 probably by the end of the year.

[JackStraw]

Originally Posted by jon s

A non-biased observation...

While I have no doubt that Blu will do better than Red, my interest would be how well Harry Potter did on both sides. There have been rumors that the Potter sales are more or less even between the two formats. If so, that could mean that Toshiba's fire sale on players could be making an impact on disc sales.

Not necessarily. How many weeks did blu ray'ers have pretty big weeks with multiple releases whereas there wasn't much at all on the red side? Between the selection we've had over the last few weeks, the BOGO's, on top of word getting around about the Potter mistake (which caused me to hold off on the set), even if it were a dead heat I still wouldn't sweat it in the least.

Over time the blu ray version will outsell the red version. The red version may sell awesomely out of the gate but watch the momentum just drop after a couple of weeks...and watch the blu ray version eventually pull ahead.

[SpikesBluBlooded]

Originally Posted by JackStraw

Over time the blu ray version will outsell the red version. The red version may sell awesomely out of the gate but watch the momentum just drop after a couple of weeks...and watch the blu ray version eventually pull ahead.

Well, ya, maybe. But that's only if PS3 owners use their gaming system to watch movies...

[greekjgg]

Originally Posted by jon s

A non-biased observation...


Overall sales are nice for ratios, but a lot of the percentages are due to the fact that Blu has had more title releases than Red. A more revealing figure of sales would be the Warner title sales on each side, as you are now comparing oranges to oranges instead of apple to oranges. If Warner sees that Potter sales are more evenly distributed, in their eyes they would just prolong the format war to push sales either way. If their own title sales also show that the Blu titles are overwhelming better than Red, then I can see that the future for Red is dimming.

1st, very brave of you for having a NON-biased observation as many people in here where blu blinders and don't take kindly to purple discussion.

2nd, HP is much more of a MUST HAVE for Red than blu. HP is JUST ANOTHER GREAT TITLE for blu of many lately where HP on Red is the first GREAT title since Transformers really. I don't think SHrek counts. Also, as the selection for red is smaller, they have an advantage of having a higher total for one particular title, while blu contines to dominate in overall sales.

[SpikesBluBlooded]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

HP is much more of a MUST HAVE for Red than blu. HP is JUST ANOTHER GREAT TITLE for blu of many lately where HP on Red is the first GREAT title since Transformers really. I don't think SHrek counts. Also, as the selection for red is smaller, they have an advantage of having a higher total for one particular title, while blu contines to dominate in overall sales.

Absolutely true, which is why, as another poster stated a couple of posts up, that HP on Blu-ray will eventually out-pace HP on HD DVD as time goes on. We just have too many great titles to choose from...

[JimSD]

Originally Posted by jon s

While I have no doubt that Blu will do better than Red, my interest would be how well Harry Potter did on both sides. <snip>

Overall sales are nice for ratios, but a lot of the percentages are due to the fact that Blu has had more title releases than Red. ...

But you can't just ignore the overall sales ratios either. That is a factor that should be taken into consideration as part of the bigger picture. Let's take it to an extreme and say the overall sales ratio is 80:20 in favor of BD, yet a Warner title still sells nearly equal volume on both formats. In that scenario, if they are still considered to be prolonging the format war does it make sense to continue with both? They should be considering the market as a whole, not just how their titles are doing. If a move to Blu-ray exclusive would grow the market 10-fold due to confusion about the format war being over, that bigger market would more than offset any loss they incur by dropping HD DVD.

[Bombthroat]

Originally Posted by BlurayManiac

and here is the link: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...906b3ecd?imw=Y

woohoo i thjink its time for warner to come on board and lets end this.
Guys also go the link and vote for blu-ray.

That site appears to have a trojan on it. Make sure your anti-virus definitions are updated before going there.

[SpikesBluBlooded]

OK, I'm tired of waiting for the official numbers, I'm going home now... Time to start the long holiday weekend!!! Merry Christmas everyone!

[Joon]

Looks like we are not going to get the numbers till after Christmas. Well if that happens, and whoever does not check this site till after Christmas, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by jon s

A non-biased observation...

While I have no doubt that Blu will do better than Red, my interest would be how well Harry Potter did on both sides. There have been rumors that the Potter sales are more or less even between the two formats. If so, that could mean that Toshiba's fire sale on players could be making an impact on disc sales.

Overall sales are nice for ratios, but a lot of the percentages are due to the fact that Blu has had more title releases than Red. A more revealing figure of sales would be the Warner title sales on each side, as you are now comparing oranges to oranges instead of apple to oranges. If Warner sees that Potter sales are more evenly distributed, in their eyes they would just prolong the format war to push sales either way. If their own title sales also show that the Blu titles are overwhelming better than Red, then I can see that the future for Red is dimming.

I bought into Blu because of the lineup of movies...plus the capacity...

if they are losing because of that then...well,...yeah..

[jon s]

As far as "apples to apples vs. apples to oranges" go, though, I don't think you can use one studio (just because they're neutral), or worse one title, as your indicator of how well the formats are doing against one another. In the end it's title availability and the total numbers of those titles being purchased on either format that will indicate which format is doing better. Why? Because in the end "it's all about the Benjamins".

My view is that Warner does not care about how well Fox, Sony or Disney titles are doing. True it's all about the Benjamins. But Warner only cares about how well their movies are doing. They see that overall sales are in Blu. But if the Warner Red movies start outselling the Blu movies in the same title, why would they drop Red? Again Blu is winning because we have more titles, but that is not to say that individual releases are still in Blus favor...

[The Don]

Originally Posted by jon s

[EDIT] As far as "apples to apples vs. apples to oranges" go, though, I don't think you can use one studio (just because they're neutral), or worse one title, as your indicator of how well the formats are doing against one another. In the end it's title availability and the total numbers of those titles being purchased on either format that will indicate which format is doing better. Why? Because in the end "it's all about the Benjamins".

My view is that Warner does not care about how well Fox, Sony or Disney titles are doing. True it's all about the Benjamins. But Warner only cares about how well their movies are doing. They see that overall sales are in Blu. But if the Warner Red movies start outselling the Blu movies in the same title, why would they drop Red? Again Blu is winning because we have more titles, but that is not to say that individual releases are still in Blus favor...[/QUOTE]

I can't think of 1 Warner title outside PE that HD-DVD is outselling Blu in...aside from movies that are not out on Blu..(Batman Begins, Matrix Trilogy, V for Vendetta, etc.)

[mattym]

we dont have any sales figures yet to compare, but i dont think warner titles are outselling on red to blu at the moment, nor do i think they will....buy warner and it wont happen.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

2nd, HP is much more of a MUST HAVE for Red than blu. HP is JUST ANOTHER GREAT TITLE for blu of many lately where HP on Red is the first GREAT title since Transformers really. I don't think SHrek counts. Also, as the selection for red is smaller, they have an advantage of having a higher total for one particular title, while blu contines to dominate in overall sales.

Agreed, Red is starved for desirable titles and no doubt snatched up the Potters.

[The Don]

HMM biased towards Red?.....

[MarekM]

Originally Posted by jon s

My view is that Warner does not care about how well Fox, Sony or Disney titles are doing. True it's all about the Benjamins. But Warner only cares about how well their movies are doing. They see that overall sales are in Blu. But if the Warner Red movies start outselling the Blu movies in the same title, why would they drop Red? Again Blu is winning because we have more titles, but that is not to say that individual releases are still in Blus favor...

almost all neutral releases are better on Blu side..., so what's your point ?
its like classic HD DVD excuse, IF RED MOVIES START OUTSELLIGN THE BLUE MOVIES, if , if , if, if more players, if price will drop , if, if.... like broken record...

Marek

[jon s]

I am just trying to emphasize that while we look at overall sales figures, Warner looks at what's going in their wallet. We shud be more observant at their title sales to see which way the wind is blowing.

Either way, until the next sales figures come out, we will see what happens.

[Living Near Shamu]

I see that the numbers haven't been posted yet, huH?