New Line encode question

[paulb]

Disc sizes for the two New Line releases:

Hairspray 38.96 GB
Rush Hour 3 26.14 GB

[ClaytonMG]

I'd like to know why New Line is releasing these 7.1 movies on Blu-Ray, and not giving people a DTS 6.1 core. You can get 6.1 sound on the DVD, but you'd be sacrificing the bitrate. You can get a higher bit rate on the Blu-Ray from the regular core track, but you'd be losing the 6.1 discrete audio. Not cool...

[quetzalcoatl]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

I'd like to know why New Line is releasing these 7.1 movies on Blu-Ray, and not giving people a DTS 6.1 core. You can get 6.1 sound on the DVD, but you'd be sacrificing the bitrate. You can get a higher bit rate on the Blu-Ray from the regular core track, but you'd be losing the 6.1 discrete audio. Not cool...

Because 6.1 DTS is not core it is DTS ES. And with DTS HD MA you only get the core track if you cannot send it bitstream or decode it.


http://www.dts.com/dts-hd/dts-on-bluray-and-hddvd.php

[tru_to_blu]

I think we can look for good things from New Line.

[Alan Gordon]

BTW, the reason why "Hairspray" is so much bigger is that they did two encodes so they could add PiP.

~Alan

[Deech]

I just got pans labyrinth today and i seen that it is in DTS HD 7.1. I have a 7.1 HDMI receiver but it is only showing up as DTS 5.1 on the receiver. Is that because the ps3 can't decode DTS HD so its only going to play the basic 5.1 DTS?

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by Deech

I just got pans labyrinth today and i seen that it is in DTS HD 7.1. I have a 7.1 HDMI receiver but it is only showing up as DTS 5.1 on the receiver. Is that because the ps3 can't decode DTS HD so its only going to play the basic 5.1 DTS?

Yes. Right now you're only hearing the core DTS track.

[Deech]

Thanks

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by quetzalcoatl

Because 6.1 DTS is not core it is DTS ES. And with DTS HD MA you only get the core track if you cannot send it bitstream or decode it.


http://www.dts.com/dts-hd/dts-on-bluray-and-hddvd.php

You can have a 6.1 DTS Extended Surround track as the core of a DTS-HD Master Audio track...

[mastertang]

I think some of us have a philosophical disagreements with Warner and the VC-1 codec. I don't see how a mpeg 4 at 30mbps can be truly the same as VC-1 at half that bitrate. Does the sharing of a single encode sacrifice PQ potential? Sure. But I can't say that Harry Potter or Blade Runner looks bad, it just makes you wonder what could have been.

Conversely, having a common highly compressed encode is good in two ways. First, HDDUD fanatics can't claim they have superior image quality, even though they usually do anyway. Second, the extra space on a BD-50 allows for PCM soundtracks (which studios don't have to pay fees for, unlike dolby and dts (I think there are licensing fees or something)). It also lets us have extras in full HD while HDDUD has to resort to SD o fit it in.

[Alan Gordon]

I own "Hairspray" on Blu-ray, and it's definately a low-bitrate encode... not that it looks bad... just that it's definately an HD DVD port.

The WB store hasn't shipped my copy of "Rush Hour 3" yet, so I cannot comment on it.

~Alan

[reiella]

Originally Posted by paulb

Disc sizes for the two New Line releases:

Hairspray 38.96 GB
Rush Hour 3 26.14 GB

So RH3 most likly is an easy cut and paste to HD-DVD 30gb. Interesting though, if they shaved a gb and change off that size though they could have a single layer press.

[cajmoyper]

I'm trying to say this without being pissy-sounding, but some people here think too much relies too heavily on bitrates. Does it look good, does it sound good, you decide, don't let a bar on your tv tell you.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by cajmoyper

I'm trying to say this without being pissy-sounding, but some people here think too much relies too heavily on bitrates. Does it look good, does it sound good, you decide, don't let a bar on your tv tell you.

Yeah well I seem to notice some issues with the black levels on Rush Hour 3, and also the lack of grain on Hairspray is annoying. I'd rather have it grainy and sharp than blurry and over-processed looking. But I think the black levels on Rush Hour 3 have something to do with how it's filmed.

I take that back, just saw it was 35mm. Oddly enough, it looks like they tried to correct the grainyness on that title too. And now there appears to be some slight compression artifacts on some of the surfaces in the darker scenes.

[Slapper]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

Yeah well I seem to notice some issues with the black levels on Rush Hour 3, and also the lack of grain on Hairspray is annoying. I'd rather have it grainy and sharp than blurry and over-processed looking. But I think the black levels on Rush Hour 3 have something to do with how it's filmed.

I take that back, just saw it was 35mm. Oddly enough, it looks like they tried to correct the grainyness on that title too. And now there appears to be some slight compression artifacts on some of the surfaces in the darker scenes.

Sounds like Warner's hands may have touched Rush Hour 3 in all the wrong ways. I can't say I'm surprised, but I was hoping New Line wouldn't be using the same (Microsoft) VC-1 handbook as Warner.

[UTVOL06]

Originally Posted by Slapper

Sounds like Warner's hands may have touched Rush Hour 3 in all the wrong ways. I can't say I'm surprised, but I was hoping New Line wouldn't be using the same (Microsoft) VC-1 handbook as Warner.

Rush Hour 3 has very good PQ...I watched it a couple days ago.