Warner Answers The Calls: The Departed w/ PCM! - Page 2 - Blu-ray Forum

Scorxpion · 01-20-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

So I am guessing this is going to be a 50gb disc then? Or will it be 30gb on a 50gb disc?

Good News i'm very happy with Warner's desicion to include PCM from now and on,and i would like to use all the 50GB on BD.

you know why they have choose Superman Returns on HD-DVD as a top Surround titles because it includes DolbyTHD,what if Superman Returns used the PCM compressed sound and maximise the VC_1 codec to the fullest of BD50.

the Result will be unbelievable and exceed the HD-DVD version.

Ascended_Saiyan · 01-20-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Scorxpion

Good News i'm very happy with Warner's desicion to include PCM from now and on,and i would like to use all the 50GB on BD.

you know why they have choose Superman Returns on HD-DVD as a top Surround titles because it includes DolbyTHD,what if Superman Returns used the PCM compressed sound and maximise the VC_1 codec to the fullest of BD50.

the Result will be unbelievable and exceed the HD-DVD version.

I think I would prefer AVC, but I guess an optimized Blu-ray version of VC-1 would be nice (even though VC-1 codes that are ported over to BD should be the same as their HD DVD counterparts).

dobyblue · 01-20-2007, 08:25 PM

By the time they realised PCM would have been the better choice, it would have meant postponing the Blu-ray release. They didn't want to do that.

bluwizard · 01-20-2007, 10:31 PM

Cool~!!!!!

Gary Murrell · 01-20-2007, 10:44 PM

sweet!

this could be the first title I buy on BR that is dual format, PCM is that much better

TrueHD hasn't thrilled me at all

-Gary

dialog_gvf · 01-20-2007, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Murrell

sweet!

this could be the first title I buy on BR that is dual format, PCM is that much better

TrueHD hasn't thrilled me at all

Could that be due to what HD DVD player do with to data after it is decoded? Or perhaps a total lack of care in the quality of the PCM going into the TrueHD encoder?

Being a computer geek, my gut says that things should be identical. Lossless means bit identical to the original. So, I conclude either the original is crap, or the HD DVD insistence of futzing with the bits is to blame.

Audio-wise, HD DVD seems like a total disaster.

Gary

dobyblue · 01-20-2007, 11:52 PM

Cool signature Gary.

I can't wait for The Matrix trilogy to come out on Blu-ray with PCM.

I wonder if The Departed will be 16/48 or 24/48?

ProvenFlipper · 01-21-2007, 01:14 AM

Finally Warner has woken up and smelled the coffee. Hopefully they do this for all of their releases. BD-50 with PCM... Yummy!

Polyh3dron · 01-21-2007, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinner

better than Infernal Affairs?

Yes, better than its source material believe it or not.

WriteSimply · 01-21-2007, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

I wonder if The Departed will be 16/48 or 24/48?

Probably 16/48. Doing 24/48 would cut into capacity and bandwith.

fuad

Deciazulado · 01-21-2007, 02:53 AM

Uncompressed 24/48 audio has a 50% larger file size than 16/48.

BTBuck1 · 01-21-2007, 04:23 AM

Just added to my wishlist

I'll save my $5bucks, get the LPCM 5.1 and go Blu on this one! w00t

JoeSp · 01-21-2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Esox50

The PCM track is good news for BD. Now hopefully they will get Batman Begins released on BD by mid-year.

Yes, the PCM track is good news but my question is why not DoblyTrueHD. Does not DTHD use less space then PCM? And is not PCM a lossey sound track unlike DTHD. I think I might be confused here.

WriteSimply · 01-21-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeSp

Yes, the PCM track is good news but my question is why not DoblyTrueHD. Does not DTHD use less space then PCM? And is not PCM a lossey sound track unlike DTHD. I think I might be confused here.

THD is half the space of PCM. But I believe Warner is using encoders that are written by Microsoft that are geared towards HD-DVD. While the encoder works with THD for HD-DVD, it doesn't work with BD. THD for BD may have to be re-encoded. So far only one title has THD on BD.

The other reason is that Warner is following the suggestions of the BD supporters that they do PCM instead of THD, since most of the BD players out there do not have THD decoding capability.

fuad

dobyblue · 01-21-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by WriteSimply

Probably 16/48. Doing 24/48 would cut into capacity and bandwith.

fuad

Warner will likely be using VC-1 though, so the bandwidth and capacity should be just fine.

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Originally Posted by WriteSimply

THD is half the space of PCM. But I believe Warner is using encoders that are written by Microsoft that are geared towards HD-DVD. While the encoder works with THD for HD-DVD, it doesn't work with BD. THD for BD may have to be re-encoded. So far only one title has THD on BD.

As of February 27th there will be a second title; Nine Inch Nails!!!!!!

dobyblue · 01-21-2007, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeSp

Yes, the PCM track is good news but my question is why not DoblyTrueHD. Does not DTHD use less space then PCM? And is not PCM a lossey sound track unlike DTHD. I think I might be confused here.

TrueHD takes a PCM track and losslessly compresses it. The end result when decoded will be the original PCM track.

PCM is lossless.

dialog_gvf · 01-21-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeSp

Yes, the PCM track is good news but my question is why not DoblyTrueHD. Does not DTHD use less space then PCM? And is not PCM a lossey sound track unlike DTHD. I think I might be confused here.

TrueHD is a lossless encoding of an LPCM soundtrack. The same soundtrack Warner can simply use directly on Blu-ray.

Gary

simpspin · 01-22-2007, 01:27 AM

More "Departed" (movie, not disc) news:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/070119c.php

Delta_FX · 01-22-2007, 01:36 AM

Great, finally some PCM support!

Anyone know if Blood Diamond is coming to Blu-Ray. I watched the movie a couple days ago, and I was just amazed. Definately one of the best movies I've ever seen!

Maximus · 01-22-2007, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

TrueHD is a lossless encoding of an LPCM soundtrack. The same soundtrack Warner can simply use directly on Blu-ray.

Gary

I heard that MS's THD encoder was no good, which could be why THD has not lived up to PCM yet, hopefully when SPE get round to using THD we will get Dolby's own encoder, not some MS hack.

Oh and another thing, the MS encoder is not compatible with Blu-ray, which could be why we haven't seen THD on BD.

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01-20-2007, 08:25 PM	#23
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	By the time they realised PCM would have been the better choice, it would have meant postponing the Blu-ray release. They didn't want to do that.

01-20-2007, 10:31 PM	#24
bluwizard New Member Member since:Dec 2006 Blu-ray collection:14	Cool~!!!!!

01-20-2007, 10:44 PM	#25
Gary Murrell Junior Member Member since:Dec 2006	sweet! this could be the first title I buy on BR that is dual format, PCM is that much better TrueHD hasn't thrilled me at all -Gary

01-20-2007, 11:52 PM	#27
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	Cool signature Gary. I can't wait for The Matrix trilogy to come out on Blu-ray with PCM. I wonder if The Departed will be 16/48 or 24/48?

01-21-2007, 01:14 AM	#28
ProvenFlipper Special Member Member since:Jun 2006 Home Theater Gallery:4 4K collection:335 Blu-ray collection:901 Trading Score:1	Finally Warner has woken up and smelled the coffee. Hopefully they do this for all of their releases. BD-50 with PCM... Yummy!

01-21-2007, 02:53 AM	#31
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1160 Blu-ray collection:7047 DVD collection:4044	Uncompressed 24/48 audio has a 50% larger file size than 16/48.

01-21-2007, 04:23 AM	#32
BTBuck1 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Oceanside, CA. Blu-ray collection:507 DVD collection:1	Just added to my wishlist I'll save my $5bucks, get the LPCM 5.1 and go Blu on this one! w00t

01-22-2007, 01:27 AM	#38
simpspin Active Member Member since:Dec 2006	More "Departed" (movie, not disc) news: http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/070119c.php

01-22-2007, 01:36 AM	#39
Delta_FX Active Member Member since:Jan 2007	Great, finally some PCM support! Anyone know if Blood Diamond is coming to Blu-Ray. I watched the movie a couple days ago, and I was just amazed. Definately one of the best movies I've ever seen!

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