Breaking News - Blu-Ray cracked - Blu-ray Forum

T_Mask · 01-20-2007, 02:38 PM

"Oups, I did it again! "
These are the words with that the already legendary 'Muslix64' made a sensational announcement on Doom9 Forum this morning. Find below what he declared:

*Sorry, I don't want to cross post, but may be you will be interested to know *that I have decrypted and play back my first BluRay AACS protected media *file! I will post all my Blu-Ray investigation results in the thread "BlueRay and *AACS"
* See you there!

Source: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=119871&page=49

Dave · 01-20-2007, 03:04 PM

Nowhere is sayed anything about that. It does not work, those are rumors...
Its still not cracked...

blublublu · 01-20-2007, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

Nowhere is sayed anything about that. It does not work, those are rumors...
Its still not cracked...

Have a look through the related thread:

<link to evil site removed>

Certainly seems to be cracked.

thunderhawk · 01-20-2007, 03:26 PM

It seems cracked. But we'll have to wait till rips appear on the net.

dialog_gvf · 01-20-2007, 03:36 PM

The first post indicates someone was able to copy files to a hard drive.

You can copy files off a BD drive, even the encrypted movie files. Drives are designed to allow data to be taken off discs. This is the PS/3 file dump again. No big deal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by muslix64

A lot of people try to attack the software, I'm attacking the data!

So, you think he cracked the encryption with home tools? The NSA is going to make him disappear if that is true.

The one file he "cracked" was a short copyright message warning against copying and quoting the statute in the criminal code

. Sort of hilarious if Lionsgate put that on the disc lighty encrypted for the crackers to get.

People can get excited here. But, until an actual movie is put out on the P2P, what you see are people trying to attack it. muslix64 doesn't have a BD drive, so he must rely on people handing him data files. And anyone who knows anything about modern encryption will know he won't be able to crack the movie files.

Gary

iceman · 01-20-2007, 05:13 PM

The movie was Lord of War, but it didn't have any BD+ protection, so I imagine it was very similar to cracking HD-DVD.

phloyd · 01-20-2007, 06:06 PM

He talks about the method that he used to get the key from open memory.

It is basically the same method they use with password checkers - run all the passwords you can think and see if there are any matches.

So basically he goes through the memory dump and tries each possible combination as a key. The one that decrypts the packets is the key. Quite simple. If the software player had done anything to scramble the key storage in memory this would not have worked.

Very bad software player.

blublublu · 01-20-2007, 11:50 PM

The keys are flowing now:

<link removed - this forum can't condone or facilitate such activities. Please note HD-DVD has been treated in exactly the same way>

HDTV1080P · 01-21-2007, 05:45 AM

Yes this is a bad software player that will need to be updated or revoked. If it was not for this player they would not be able to get around AACS. My understanding is that AACS uses 128 bit encryption and no one has broken 128 bit encryption yet since computers are not fast enough yet. If AACS was really cracked then renewable security would be use less.
No one cracked D-VHS formats encryption. Sometimes I wonder if it would be better for Hollywood to go back to HDTV D-VHS and a new 12 inch size HDTV Laserdisc format for movie releases. With D-VHS and Laserdisc there was no drives especially made to work with the PC. Of course the IEEE-1394 interface ON D-VHS and the RS-232 port on Laserdisc one could connect it to a computer. Getting away from media that plays on a computer might be in Hollywoods best interest. How about a holographic optical format that just for playing movies and will not connect to computers.
Problem is computers and displays are merging and becoming one. If 128 bit AACS is every crack then they will need to go to 256 bit encryption.
Both HD-DVD and BLU-RAY are not even a year old and it is a shame these two formats are having security problems due to some poorly designed computer software.

HDTV1080P · 01-21-2007, 05:58 AM

If the HD-DVD and BLU-RAY camp were to keep the price of blank disc media at the same price or more expensive then the movies then this would slow down piracy. A terabyte hard drive costs $399. If you were able to download 20 BLU-RAY movies to a terabyte size hard drive it would cost $20 to store each movie on a hard drive.
The problem is hard drive prices will keeping falling and blank media will get cheaper. Which is great for the consumer to have cheap media. Problem is people will start pirating HDTV movies.

dialog_gvf · 01-21-2007, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blublublu

The keys are flowing now:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=120988

Yep, it sounds like Janvitos has used the same software (BD version?) to accomplish the same thing as HD DVD.

It remains to be seen if there are any gotchas in the BD content. They don't have the decrypting program yet, just some keys. (Edit: Looks like muslix64 has released something now)

Gary

HDTV1080P · 01-21-2007, 06:22 AM

Super Bit BLU-RAY movies using MPEG-4 or VC-1 on 100GB and 200GB discs would have its advantages. Could you imagine someone trying to download or copy a 100GB or 200GB Super Bit BLU-RAY movie. It would not be worth it. Maybe in 3-4 years it world be more economical for the pirates to deal with that size.
Make the movie as big and highest quality as possible and at the same time tick off pirates.

blitz6speed · 01-21-2007, 06:50 AM

Size is the ultimate protection. If they did change everything out to BD50s, packed to the brim with high bitrate and lossless sound, no one is psycho enough yet to archive those. Its cheaper to own the discs. Those HD-DVD movies are only 19-20 gigs all over the torrent sites, much smaller, easier to archive and easier to move.

Dave · 01-21-2007, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderhawk

It seems cracked. But we'll have to wait till rips appear on the net.

It wont happen any time soon. They have not even tryed the BD+ protection yet. It will take them months to crack it...

And those keys most likely dont work.

dialog_gvf · 01-21-2007, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

Size is the ultimate protection. If they did change everything out to BD50s, packed to the brim with high bitrate and lossless sound, no one is psycho enough yet to archive those. Its cheaper to own the discs. Those HD-DVD movies are only 19-20 gigs all over the torrent sites, much smaller, easier to archive and easier to move.

Sony, those fools!

GasCat · 01-21-2007, 07:29 AM

I thought that BD+ was not yet put on discs??

One poster said, "If they implement BD+, they will lose the war right away for the reasons too obvious to mention." Of course if that were the case then the Blu-Ray group would not have copy protection. (Something I would like to see).

These are obviously kids having their day trying to buck the capitalist system. A few know what they are doing but most are leeches waiting for the info to flow. The leeches are the ones who complain how there is no GUI or are getting an error and don't know what to do. Muslix and his cohorts will be found out. They are no better at trying to stay anonymous than previous pirates. For their sake I hope they are in countries with lax laws on copyrighting.

blitz6speed · 01-21-2007, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

It wont happen any time soon. They have not even tryed the BD+ protection yet. It will take them months to crack it...

And those keys most likely dont work.

BD+ is on no BD yet. All the players supposedly have the infrastructure already in them, but no discs have the code yet to run it. So yes, the keys are real and work, and the discs out now will be able to be copied once muslix releases his next version (current version cannot do the entire disc). Its funny that a MS insider poster that AACS will have a press release on monday that they will NOT revoke keys as of yet. Maybe MS went in, since they're part of AACS, and told them to not revoke keys, let the pirating continue so that HD-DVD's name will be in print and online as copyable as to get some movement going. Amir would definitely do something like this. But now that the BD keys have been found, i doubt that will now take place, as im sure Fox will be at the AACS office with a AK47 wanting the keys revoked and changed.

As far as BD+ is concerned, a MS insider on AVS said that once its used, Blu-Ray movies wont play on standard blu-ray players. Right. Just like BD50 is science fiction and Blu-Ray is a MPEG2 format only. We will have to see how this all plays out.

dialog_gvf · 01-21-2007, 07:42 AM

For what it's worth, I don't really see what muslix64 is doing is illegal. If people use it and make the content available on P2P they are the ones breaking the law.

Some are excercising fair rights to make copies of what they purchased.

People use baseball bats to assault other people. Are those that made the bat criminals?

All that criminalizing the hackers would do is push all of this underground. And then the studios wouldn't see the progression or the extent until much later.

Gary

PeterTHX · 01-21-2007, 08:41 AM

Quote:

I don't really see what muslix64 is doing is illegal.

It is to me. Same if someone found out the security code to someone's house, published it and pleaded innocent when "someone else" broke in and stole the place blind.

GasCat · 01-21-2007, 09:22 AM

For once what MS says is meaningless and inconsequential. They are not the ones with copyrighted material. Sony publishes films so MS will do what they want done.

01-20-2007, 02:38 PM	#1
T_Mask New Member Member since:Dec 2006	Breaking News - Blu-Ray cracked "Oups, I did it again! " These are the words with that the already legendary 'Muslix64' made a sensational announcement on Doom9 Forum this morning. Find below what he declared: Sorry, I don't want to cross post, but may be you will be interested to know that I have decrypted and play back my first BluRay AACS protected media file! I will post all my Blu-Ray investigation results in the thread "BlueRay and AACS" * See you there! Source: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=119871&page=49

01-20-2007, 11:50 PM	#8
blublublu Banned Member since:Jan 2007	The keys are flowing now: <link removed - this forum can't condone or facilitate such activities. Please note HD-DVD has been treated in exactly the same way> Last edited by Blue; 01-21-2007 at 09:25 AM.

01-21-2007, 05:45 AM	#9
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	Yes this is a bad software player that will need to be updated or revoked. If it was not for this player they would not be able to get around AACS. My understanding is that AACS uses 128 bit encryption and no one has broken 128 bit encryption yet since computers are not fast enough yet. If AACS was really cracked then renewable security would be use less. No one cracked D-VHS formats encryption. Sometimes I wonder if it would be better for Hollywood to go back to HDTV D-VHS and a new 12 inch size HDTV Laserdisc format for movie releases. With D-VHS and Laserdisc there was no drives especially made to work with the PC. Of course the IEEE-1394 interface ON D-VHS and the RS-232 port on Laserdisc one could connect it to a computer. Getting away from media that plays on a computer might be in Hollywoods best interest. How about a holographic optical format that just for playing movies and will not connect to computers. Problem is computers and displays are merging and becoming one. If 128 bit AACS is every crack then they will need to go to 256 bit encryption. Both HD-DVD and BLU-RAY are not even a year old and it is a shame these two formats are having security problems due to some poorly designed computer software. Last edited by HDTV1080P; 01-21-2007 at 05:48 AM. Reason: grammer

01-21-2007, 06:22 AM	#12
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	100gb And 200gb Super Bit Movie Disc Would Make Piracy Hard Super Bit BLU-RAY movies using MPEG-4 or VC-1 on 100GB and 200GB discs would have its advantages. Could you imagine someone trying to download or copy a 100GB or 200GB Super Bit BLU-RAY movie. It would not be worth it. Maybe in 3-4 years it world be more economical for the pirates to deal with that size. Make the movie as big and highest quality as possible and at the same time tick off pirates.

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01-20-2007, 03:04 PM	#2
Dave Expert Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Somewhere	Nowhere is sayed anything about that. It does not work, those are rumors... Its still not cracked...

01-20-2007, 03:26 PM	#4
thunderhawk Moderator Member since:Jul 2004 Location:Belgium	It seems cracked. But we'll have to wait till rips appear on the net.

01-20-2007, 05:13 PM	#6
iceman Developer Top contributor Member since:May 2003 Home Theater Gallery:13 4K collection:27 Blu-ray collection:121 DVD collection:26 MA collection:1 Digital collection:6 iTunes collection:10 iTunes music:2 Prime collection:3 Trading Score:1	The movie was Lord of War, but it didn't have any BD+ protection, so I imagine it was very similar to cracking HD-DVD.

01-20-2007, 06:06 PM	#7
phloyd Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2003 Location:California Trading Score:5	He talks about the method that he used to get the key from open memory. It is basically the same method they use with password checkers - run all the passwords you can think and see if there are any matches. So basically he goes through the memory dump and tries each possible combination as a key. The one that decrypts the packets is the key. Quite simple. If the software player had done anything to scramble the key storage in memory this would not have worked. Very bad software player.

01-21-2007, 05:58 AM	#10
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	If the HD-DVD and BLU-RAY camp were to keep the price of blank disc media at the same price or more expensive then the movies then this would slow down piracy. A terabyte hard drive costs $399. If you were able to download 20 BLU-RAY movies to a terabyte size hard drive it would cost $20 to store each movie on a hard drive. The problem is hard drive prices will keeping falling and blank media will get cheaper. Which is great for the consumer to have cheap media. Problem is people will start pirating HDTV movies.

01-21-2007, 06:50 AM	#13
blitz6speed Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2006 Location:Anaheim Hills, CA Trading Score:8	Size is the ultimate protection. If they did change everything out to BD50s, packed to the brim with high bitrate and lossless sound, no one is psycho enough yet to archive those. Its cheaper to own the discs. Those HD-DVD movies are only 19-20 gigs all over the torrent sites, much smaller, easier to archive and easier to move.

01-21-2007, 07:29 AM	#16
GasCat Special Member Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews:1	I thought that BD+ was not yet put on discs?? One poster said, "If they implement BD+, they will lose the war right away for the reasons too obvious to mention." Of course if that were the case then the Blu-Ray group would not have copy protection. (Something I would like to see). These are obviously kids having their day trying to buck the capitalist system. A few know what they are doing but most are leeches waiting for the info to flow. The leeches are the ones who complain how there is no GUI or are getting an error and don't know what to do. Muslix and his cohorts will be found out. They are no better at trying to stay anonymous than previous pirates. For their sake I hope they are in countries with lax laws on copyrighting.

01-21-2007, 07:42 AM	#18
dialog_gvf Moderator Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Toronto Blu-ray collection:320	For what it's worth, I don't really see what muslix64 is doing is illegal. If people use it and make the content available on P2P they are the ones breaking the law. Some are excercising fair rights to make copies of what they purchased. People use baseball bats to assault other people. Are those that made the bat criminals? All that criminalizing the hackers would do is push all of this underground. And then the studios wouldn't see the progression or the extent until much later. Gary

01-21-2007, 09:22 AM	#20
GasCat Special Member Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews:1	For once what MS says is meaningless and inconsequential. They are not the ones with copyrighted material. Sony publishes films so MS will do what they want done.

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