81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[ottscay]

Originally Posted by eat_me_cool

Even if WB goes for HD-DVD or Blu-ray, the format war will drag on for another year. Look how long Universal keep HD-DVD afloat by itself.

Um, no. Warner was also releaseing to HD DVD that whole time (including several very important "exclusives"). Universal has blown its wad early in the format war, and Paramount doesn't have as deep of a catalog (although still some nice titles), plus the publicity will be very strong in BD's favor. If WB goes BD exclusive, all the big box stores will drop HD DVD before the end of Q3 of this year, if not substantially sooner.

[LynxFX]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

there is no way they will go this route if they want to compete with sony. lets face it, they want downloads to be the future for everything.

There's a very good chance they will go this route. Ever since the 360 took the lead in the next gen console race (wii isn't nextgen IMO) they have a new arrogance in their console division. In a way, it is very much like Sony and their attitude with the PS3. The only difference is that blu-ray has traction as becoming a standard and only one setback, getting people to purchase it. The all download service has multiple problems, network bandwidth, storage, getting the image to your tv, standardization, getting people used to the idea of not actually physically owning something etc. Bill Gates has gone on record many times saying that this is the last generation for optical discs. Whether that is just for blu-ray/hd dvd and movie distribution or in terms of their consoles is up to interpretation but that is their ultimate end game and you can be sure they are looking at it hard for the next xbox. PC game companies have already been testing the waters with digital distribution for a couple years now. And I think you are a bit over zealous in what size games will actually be. The days we have a 50gig game will be few and far inbetween. There will still be plenty that fit on a single layer dvd. Also being downloads, they can do more complicated compression and just have it basically install the game much like on a pc.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of hurdles to get over to make pure digital distribution of games work especially on a console, but MS is 100% behind it and that is what they are working on. That is their vision of the future. A lot can happen in 3 years and time will tell if the public buys into it.

For movies, I'm a collector so I want a physical disc with art, a case, etc. For games, I might be more open to download games.

[mystiksuicide]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

what about all the new games coming out for the xbox!, you can't tell them they need to buy a new xbox to play these titles. they aren't that dumb.

Wana bet??? Never ever underestimate M$ greed!!!

[mystiksuicide]

Are last weeks Nielson's numbers out yet?

[Fozziwig]

DV must have the numbers now, so, why so shy this week?

No poems? No unsubtle comments or quips about the numbers being 'surprising' or 'interesting'?

My guess is that Blu-ray gave HD DVD a pretty good beating this week after all. 65%+ is what I'm hoping to see.

He's promised Winn the numbers this week at some point. The longer he takes the worse it probably is for HD DVD. Hopefully.

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by Pellaeon

Agreed. While I do now have network connectivity in my basement (gotta love internet Radio on the Pioneer Elite 94 ) I could care less about web features on my player, nor in truth PiP. Both highly overrated features for the general consumer.

I also dont believe Warner delayed the release because of these features missing, I believe there was some sort of "gentlemans" agreement for a timed exclusive on these titles.

If Warner was really worried about "inferior" version where are Blu Rays bit rates and uncompressed audio?

Guess what. I care about PiP, and watching it on Resident Evil: Extinction was rad as hell. I honestly can't tell how much of this "PiP is stupid, why would I want that" talk is honest, or just Blu rah rah BS. I've always wanted it, been pissed that it hadn't been around, and am ecstatic that it is now here and functional. I love film on more than just the A/V level, as I also like learning about everything that goes into the process of moviemaking. Other than the majority of titles being WS, audio commentary was one of the reasons I got into DVD in the first place, and why I had always been jealous of LaserDisc owners. I bought that Scream VHS set that came with a second tape that was the film with Wes Craven and Kevin Williamson commentary, for Christ's sake. 1.1/PiP/IME/Bonus View, whatever, is an important step in packaged media, and should not be undervalued.

[reiella]

Originally Posted by LynxFX

There's a very good chance they will go this route. Ever since the 360 took the lead in the next gen console race (wii isn't nextgen IMO) they have a new arrogance in their console division. In a way, it is very much like Sony and their attitude with the PS3. The only difference is that blu-ray has traction as becoming a standard and only one setback, getting people to purchase it. The all download service has multiple problems, network bandwidth, storage, getting the image to your tv, standardization, getting people used to the idea of not actually physically owning something etc. Bill Gates has gone on record many times saying that this is the last generation for optical discs. Whether that is just for blu-ray/hd dvd and movie distribution or in terms of their consoles is up to interpretation but that is their ultimate end game and you can be sure they are looking at it hard for the next xbox.

Gates has gone on record as saying many things that are horrendously stupid in hindsight.

I have to say that in 1981, making those decisions, I felt like I was providing enough freedom for 10 years. That is, a move from 64k to 640k felt like something that would last a great deal of time. Well, it didn't - it took about only 6 years before people started to see that as a real problem.

If something's expensive to develop, and somebody's not going to get paid, it won't get developed. So you decide: Do you want software to be written, or not?

It's not manufacturers trying to rip anybody off or anything like that. There's nobody getting rich writing software that I know of.

I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating system, and possibly program, of all time.

Some more I can go through, but they're all pretty fun.

[bhampton]

HD DUD lost,.. that's all that matters.

But it will be fun to see how much.

The magazine that reports the results did a summary article type of thing like they do every week and they mentioned Pirates AWE was the top seller for Blu Ray and something was the top seller for that other format. If HD DUD won the first week in the entire year then they would have likely mentioned that in the article.

link...

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/new...ticle_ID=11809

=Brian

[Pellaeon]

Originally Posted by The Shrike

Guess what. I care about PiP, and watching it on Resident Evil: Extinction was rad as hell. I honestly can't tell how much of this "PiP is stupid, why would I want that" talk is honest, or just Blu rah rah BS. I've always wanted it, been pissed that it hadn't been around, and am ecstatic that it is now here and functional. I love film on more than just the A/V level, as I also like learning about everything that goes into the process of moviemaking. Other than the majority of titles being WS, audio commentary was one of the reasons I got into DVD in the first place, and why I had always been jealous of LaserDisc owners. I bought that Scream VHS set that came with a second tape that was the film with Wes Craven and Kevin Williamson commentary, for Christ's sake. 1.1/PiP/IME/Bonus View, whatever, is an important step in packaged media, and should not be undervalued.

There is absolutely no Blu rah rah rheotoric in my statement. It is the flat out truth at least from me. I truly dont care. The only extras I even watch are generally during historic movies to see how movies compared to "true" history. I cant think of many people, that I know at least, wouldnt think the same about PiP. Maybe RE will change my mind, but I highly doubt it. I want a movie with the best possible picture and the best possible sound. If I have that, I am a happy camper. Guess it is just old school ??

[DaViD Boulet]

if the bda did it right, blu-ray wouldn't have come out weeks after hd dvd, instead it would have been a year and ps3 would have probably been delayed too. if hd dvd had a year head start, blu-ray would have had a very hard time becoming the leader. they did the right thing. this is really all hd dvds fault.

But it's been a year since then already. And we don't have mandatory audio decoding, PIP is just getting started, and there STILL aren't any 2.0 players or software.

That's lame.

BD zealots can try to spin the lack of featureset as a "who cares" scenario to keep hardware costs down. Well... that featureless samsung player wasn't exactly cheap... and neither are the high-end players that lack 1.1 and 2.0.

web features matter to Universal and to Warner, and to many consumers. For that reason, they should matter to the BDA. I'm stating this as a consumer who personally isn't interested in PIP or 2.0 web features. My personal preference isn't the point: there are consumers who care. And universal and warner are right: if you don't make it mandatory in the player, then how can a software vendor impliment the feauture reliably? "regular consumers" can't be expected to research the details of required and optional specifications when the shop for players. They should be able to buy a player and have it work and provide the full featureset of their software. Simple as that.

[bhampton]

Hey,

I watched about 3 minutes of the pip thingie on RE3. I bet that's all I will ever do of that. The movie with another show on at the same time just doesn't interest me.

-Brian

[LynxFX]

Originally Posted by reiella

Gates has gone on record as saying many things that are horrendously stupid in hindsight.

Never said it wasn't stupid, just that is what he said and ultimately wants.

[reiella]

Originally Posted by LynxFX

Never said it wasn't stupid, just that is what he said and ultimately wants.

Well, Gates makes alot of predictions that don't pan out for various reasons, which was more my point.

We're not using OS/2 Vista .

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by Pellaeon

There is absolutely no Blu rah rah rheotoric in my statement. It is the flat out truth at least from me. I truly dont care. The only extras I even watch are generally during historic movies to see how movies compared to "true" history. I cant think of many people, that I know at least, wouldnt think the same about PiP. Maybe RE will change my mind, but I highly doubt it. I want a movie with the best possible picture and the best possible sound. If I have that, I am a happy camper. Guess it is just old school ??

Right, but you understand that it SHOULD exist, right? Just because you don't like it, you don't think it shouldn't exist, right? And, you know ME, now. I want the best possible picture/sound, AND I want good extra features. If BD hadn't had advanced technology BEYOND the ability to hold HD material, I would not be as interested. I certainly would not have become an early adopter. If I didn't enjoy the process of watching films more because of the pop-up menus, PiP and other functionality, I'm not sure I would have bothered buying another copy of AVP. But the fact of the matter is, I enjoy watching the movie far more not JUST because it looks better, but because I appreciate how the technology has enhanced the actual physical act of watching a film in ways that DVD didn't. DVD menus look like they are from the Stone Age now, with their ALWAYS shitty looking menus with simple highlight-based functionality. Even something as simple as Lost Season 3's "SeasonView" has made watching media so much more pleasant. BD is the way DVD SHOULD have been this whole time.

[OokieSpookie]

Originally Posted by Fozziwig

DV must have the numbers now, so, why so shy this week?

No poems? No unsubtle comments or quips about the numbers being 'surprising' or 'interesting'?

My guess is that Blu-ray gave HD DVD a pretty good beating this week after all. 65%+ is what I'm hoping to see.

He's promised Winn the numbers this week at some point. The longer he takes the worse it probably is for HD DVD. Hopefully.

If blu gave hd "a pretty good beating" this week when hd had the best buy bogo and the amazon bogo and blu had its pants down for the most part supported only by Rush Hour 3 and Pan's I vow that I will never ever be concerned about blu again. (60+

[sj001]

I think Blu kicked the snot out of Red this week... I am going to guess it was 66-34. All the new BD players out there, and from what I've seen and heard last week, this number sounds right. Next week's numbers will really be a thrashing!

[LynxFX]

Originally Posted by reiella

Well, Gates makes alot of predictions that don't pan out for various reasons, which was more my point.

We're not using OS/2 Vista .

Yet OS/2 and Vista both made it to market, Vista selling 20 million in the first month. That was kinda my point. That's the direction they are going and it could end up being a huge disaster, doesn't mean it won't happen.

[OokieSpookie]

Originally Posted by sj001

I think Blu kicked the snot out of Red this week... I am going to guess it was 66-34. All the new BD players out there, and from what I've seen and heard last week, this number sounds right. Next week's numbers will really be a thrashing!

Yeah next weeks will be a blood bath.

[JasonR]

Are they posting this weeks numbers? I heard somewhere Nielsen doesn't do the first week of the year. I might be wrong...

[sj001]

Originally Posted by JasonR

Are they posting this weeks numbers? I heard somewhere Nielsen doesn't do the first week of the year. I might be wrong...

The numbers coming out tomorrow will be for the LAST week of 2007.