81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[Sonar5]

Originally Posted by shug7272

WOW.. you may have just started something big. You sound like a good coach too, ours encouraged crotch twisting in the pile. Anyway I hope many people take your advice.. I can see it now. Threads at the red sights with 34 posts of nothing but "scoreboard" and other variances like "look at the scoreboard" after EACH and every stupid claim by the red. There is just no argument to that. Period.

Let me say it again, I hope your post/point REALLY catches on big.

It works even better when you link the context explanation to it. I learned it form another coach about 5 years ago, and heave been using it ever since. Great Stuff.

I highly encourage its use. It's brilliant.

[shug7272]

Originally Posted by Sonar5

It works even better when you link the context explanation to it. I learned it form another coach about 5 years ago, and heave been using it ever since. Great Stuff.

I highly encourage its use. It's brilliant.

Yup, we used it too, but our coach didnt encourage it. Very effective. Anyway I am going off topic for this thread and will stop with this post, but again, FANTASTIC idea.

[JadedRaverLA]

You guys are all crazy.

Obviously 39% is more than 61% -- HDD, AVS, etc ALL know this. This is the ONLY place on the internet that seems to think the opposite is true.

[blindcat87]

I had to stop reading when that train of thought about release schdules got going. HD DVD would be winning if only the BD studios would stop cheating and releasing all of those blockbuster titles. Curse those dishonest Blu studios. They really should keep it fair and make sure they keep parity with the quality of HD DVD releases.

Seriously. Just sad. I am guessing it only got worse, but I couldn't stand it anymore.

I really liked the one trying to turn the Tom Brady comment though. Yes, I am sure that after losing in a week with BOGOs and sales, with more high profile releases, and in which the top two titles were HD DVD, that BD is going to lose in a week with our own BOGO, with a nice list of new releases including some top day and dates, that BD really is going down this week. There is optimism, and there are total breaks with reality.

Chris

Originally Posted by badboi

Talk about major denial. Read it and giggle.

http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=60868

Actually quite sad that they still believe. Should we also tell them that Santa doesn't really exist as well?

[JAGUAR1977]

Originally Posted by Esox50

GizmoDVD is a j*rk*ff, and used to constantly troll the BD forums at AVS under the guise of "neutrality". He's a complete f'in moron...

I try to resist using personal insults, but when you see some of these replies from the HD-DVD camp, I struggle.

Then again, when you see some of the tactics used by their 'insider' you understand why they come out with such things.

[blindcat87]

The BDA is only winning because they cheat. Stupid stinking cheaters and their cheating fanboys. We'd have been beating long ago if they had the strict moral code we follow, stinking cheaters.

Hey, I know how we can beat them! Let's cheat!

Do they have any comprehension of what is coming out of their mouths, or I should say keyboards?

Chris

Originally Posted by SpikesBluBlooded

And that's pretty much the only way they're going to be able to beat Blu-ray's sales: offering movies only as an HD DVD/DVD combo. Of course, you also have to consider that the buying public probably won't bite, as the cost difference for a new DVD vs. a HD DVD/DVD combo is rather significant. Sure, there will be purchases, and initially they might even beat out Blu-ray, but then consumers would figure out that they're being forced to adopt a hi-def format with no means to play back the disc without shelling out an additional $150... Oh ya, that will endear the general public at large to your cause...

[reiella]

Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

FFS how delusional can you possibly be, beyond a joke!

HD-DVD blew any hardware (standalone) advantage they had in '07, this year Blu-ray is going to have HD-DVD cornered with the PS3 AND standalones!

I've never been involved in console format war discussions, but surely they can't be as delusional as HD-DVD supporters?

And all BD would have to assure YTD victory for 2008 in one single week is have both Star Wars trilogies released on Blu... Add seamless branching for the original trilogy as well, bonus cookie points for that.

It works both ways, it's a moronic sentiment because you result in Fail for your Format if you start pissing off retailers with that.

[Neo65]

A reminder again that this result is in the week of the amazon bogo where the top 10 DVDs were dominated by Harry Potter and Bourne.

This again is confirmation that even when Amazon gives an overwhelming lead, the final results look very different. My belief is that that feat of taking such high rankings for a whole week pretty much added at most 40k to the disk sales, but other than a 5-10% swing is not enough to help the format that is down by a good 30%.

Similarly, while this week the amazon BD bogo is showing even more insane rankings for BD, there is no way the next week will go 80:20. If we take the average of this 61:39 and next week's numbers, that should give an idea of the normal sales ratios without any bogos.

I suspect that number is now somewhere between 66:34 and 71:29, TF was really the only that made a big dent for the red format, and while Bourne did well, it was not likely to be in the top 5 HDMs sold counting cumulative units so far.

Did Bourne break 150k so far? At least 6 titles have crossed 160k by now, if we make conservative estimates.

[JasonS]

Originally Posted by blindcat87

I had to stop reading when that train of thought about release schdules got going. HD DVD would be winning if only the BD studios would stop cheating and releasing all of those blockbuster titles. Curse those dishonest Blu studios.

Yeah I just laughed at all the red ants when that thread got going. I kid you not an actual statement over there was "well HD DVD would be winning if it wasn't for all the big releases in Q4." And my response was, "no shit isn't that the whole point of the format war and why everyone argues like school girls over studio support." And that really derailed them. It was "but, but, but even with those releases we aren't losing that bad...we're actually winning if you have so many players and can't sell more than 2:1."

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

I try to resist using personal insults, but when you see some of these replies from the HD-DVD camp, I struggle.

Then again, when you see some of the tactics used by their 'insider' you understand why they come out with such things.

I agree, but I got so tired of being pestered by those idiots in the Blu ray section over at AVS, I finally came over here. Now that theyre doing the same shit over at HDD, the truth is out that those idiots were just trolling over at AVS.

At this point, I don't interact with them because there's no point in doing so. I do however, like to "call a spade, a spade" like I did above. These people have some problems, are paid to do what they do, or are just idiots...I call em j*rk*ffs.

[The Big Blue]

Don't get too cocky guys.

Don't you know those Hollywood execs are sitting around tonight staring at Attach Rate charts while one-handing it?

[Neo65]

Originally Posted by Esox50

I agree, but I got so tired of being pestered by those idiots in the Blu ray section over at AVS, I finally came over here. Now that theyre doing the same shit over at HDD, the truth is out that those idiots were just trolling over at AVS.

At this point, I don't interact with them because there's no point in doing so. I do however, like to "call a spade, a spade" like I did above. These people have some problems, are paid to do what they do, or are just idiots...I call em j*rk*ffs.

AVS is still enjoyable if you keep a long ignore list. The mods encourage it. If the red supporters and blu supporters ignore each other more, the world would be a much more peaceful place where we can all get along.

[JasonR]

AVS is A LOT better than it was.

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by Esox50

I agree, but I got so tired of being pestered by those idiots in the Blu ray section over at AVS, I finally came over here. Now that theyre doing the same shit over at HDD, the truth is out that those idiots were just trolling over at AVS.

At this point, I don't interact with them because there's no point in doing so. I do however, like to "call a spade, a spade" like I did above. These people have some problems, are paid to do what they do, or are just idiots...I call em j*rk*ffs.

Paid .many different people are really the same person with different "personalities". It's a full-time job.

[SGRSBSKIER]

I think the numbers for next week have a good chance of being over 80. If you think amazon BOGO had a 5% swing it would have been 66 now you have 3 Day and Date and the other 2 RE against nothing so just left over sales which fall quickly for HDDVD so those titles could make it close to a 10% increase and with the BOGO could add 5% more, so I am thinking 81:19.

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by richard lichtenfelt

AMEN.

@ The Shrike - the point I think that you are missing here is that for people who want the gimmicky, interactive features that raise the prices of players there should be some players on the market that are optimized for this and can be purchased at increased cost.
For those of us who are strictly movie lovers and don't want superimposed directors droning on about their decisions, or online stores trying to market t-shirts and coffee mugs, we should be able to purchase players without the added expenditures necessary to allow the supposed free extra features.

I'm really pissed about that statement! Are you saying I'm not a movie lover because I want to hear the artist speak about his art? Just because you can rephrase my opinion sarcastically does not mean I'm wrong. I have a PS3, it was the cheapest player on the market, and I bought for that reason PLUS it would end up having a firmware upgrade to 1.1. There is NO WAY IN HELL I would have purchased a player, that couldn't be full profile, and I didn't pay a premium. You ARE able to buy these players. They're called Profile 1.0. I have no idea what your point is.

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by JasonS

Yeah I just laughed at all the red ants when that thread got going. I kid you not an actual statement over there was "well HD DVD would be winning if it wasn't for all the big releases in Q4."

well, what's funny is that when you look at it by box office, HD DVD actually had some great big releases exclusively in 4Q in Transformers, Shrek, and Bourne Ultimatum.

Top 10 Box Office 2007
1.)Spider-Man 3
2.)Shrek the Third
3.)Transformers
4.)Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
5.)Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
6.)The Bourne Ultimatum
7.)300 (not released in 4Q)
8.)I Am Legend (not yet released on Blu-Ray or HD DVD)
9.)Ratatouille
10.)The Simpsons Movie

So, in terms of "big titles", they had 2 of the Top 3, while we had 2 of the Top 4. Add in Harry Potter and we each had 3 of the Top 5. Pretty even.

When looking a the Top 10, we had 4 exclusive, they had 3 exclusive. However, they're exclusives were ranked higher on average than ours as 2 of our 4 were ranked #9 and #10. Incidentally, both #9 and #10 were animation which so far has shown to sell through less than live action movies. Same goes for Shrek on their side.

So, again, all in all, it was pretty even in terms of the "big releases" in 4Q (and it's easy to see why Toshiba & M$ went and bought Paramount/DW in August). I do agree we had more overall releases and greater breadth of catalog titles and some "secondary"day and date titles like Superbad, etc.

But the point still stands, HD DVD had just as many big releases and cheaper hardware...they lost. . I know it's hard for them to admit this and facts hurt. There is a lot more pain to come for HD DVDers...

[dustin410]

@SGRSBSKIER,

I'll say 77/23. It would be bad ass though if it was 81/19.

[dialog_gvf]

All HD DVD needs to do is release a blockbuster combo only and the Nielson YTD ratio will shift permanently in HD DVD's favor. It's like a nuclear weapon, all they have to do is use it and Blu-ray is toast, so therefore I'm not worried in the slightest about HD DVD's chances.

(1) It can't be done

To make a 10 million combo-discs requires capacity to make 10 million HD DVD discs. That's more discs than have sold so far, for all titles, for both formats, COMBINED.

Yet, wave a hand and out pops 10 millions HD DVDs?

(2) Let's pretend there are aerial swine

HD DVD combos cost at least 3x a DVD to make. With 9.8 million of the 10 million likely being sold to DVD owners, the studio that does this would be basically giving up about $1.00 - $1.50 a disc in profits. Yet, the studio could only charge DVD pricing for this disc.

How many times could Paramount do that for $50 million?

Gary

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

(1) It can't be done

To make a 10 million combo-discs requires capacity to make 10 million HD DVD discs. That's more discs than have sold so far, for all titles, for both formats, COMBINED.

Yet, wave a hand and out pops 10 millions HD DVDs?

(2) Let's pretend there are aerial swine

HD DVD combos cost at least 3x a DVD to make. With 9.8 million of the 10 million likely being sold to DVD owners, the studio that does this would be basically giving up about $1.00 - $1.50 a disc in profits. Yet, the studio could only charge DVD pricing for this disc.

How many times could Paramount do that for $50 million?

Gary

Oh, I don't know. Ask Dave Vaughn, Amir, & Kosty how to do it. They're the self-proclaimed experts on replication matters...