PSN Outage

[Rob71]

Originally Posted by 1blufan

And the class action lawsuit will fail.
Companies have messed up and given out credit card info for years and nothing happens to them. This is a case of hackers breaking in, not the company giving away the information.

It depends. If the info was compromised and Sony didn't warn anyone, there may be a case. A mistake is very different than knowing about a compromise and keeping your customers in the dark.

[Psx0005]

Originally Posted by Blu-ray Neo

On another note, have you seen some of these decisions rendered by a jury? It's insane. To say that Sony's safe from a lawsuit is totally nuts.

To say that anyone's safe from a lawsuit is totally utterly nuts.

[ps3bd_owner]

Originally Posted by Variable_Star

I'm surprised Sony hasn't already. History has proven that, should they do something like this, the fans will inevitably explode with rage - but the majority will still pay for it, thus rendering all their bluster as just that. I've already been amazed at how many are willing to pay for Playstation Plus. I know Sony must be looking in envy at the estimated $600 million the Xbox rakes in with subscription fees.

Me too, but when "PS4" arrives Sony will definitely charge for people to play online, because servers cost money, they aren't free.

Originally Posted by Denoku

That's really sad, if that's all you use your PS3 for. Why not buy a blu-ray player if that's all you want?

You talk as if you knew what happened, pathetic.

When I bought PS3 I didn't had X360, and played all the time on PS3, but now (present) it's essentially just for Blu-ray films/series, X360 is more gamer friendly and it's definitely my favourite console of this gen.

I should've just got a Blu-ray Player standalone instead of PS3, but PS3 seemed so good that I wanted it so bad.

If the future tellers really knew the future (bunch of bullshit they are), I would've bought a standalone Blu-ray Player, Captain Obvious.

[Sponge-worthy]

Originally Posted by Psx0005

To say that anyone's safe from a lawsuit is totally utterly nuts.

Yep, we're all just a modest filing fee away

[Blu-ray Neo]

Originally Posted by Psx0005

Actually, it is. Its in Section 15: Warranty Disclaimer and Limitation of Liability

From the agreement:

"15. WARRANTY DISCLAIMER AND LIMITATION OF LIABILITY

No warranty is given about the quality, functionality, availability or performance of Sony Online Services, or any content or service offered on or through Sony Online Services. All services and content are provided “AS IS” and “AS AVAILABLE” with all faults. SCEA does not warrant that the service and content will be uninterrupted, error-free or without delays. In addition to the limitations of liability in Sections 1, 2, 11 and 13 of this Agreement, SCEA expressly disclaims any implied warranty of merchantability, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose and warranty of non-infringement. SCEA assumes no liability for any inability to purchase, access, download or use any content, data or service. YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE RECOURSE IN THE EVENT OF ANY DISSATISFACTION WITH OR DAMAGE ARISING FROM SONY ONLINE SERVICES OR IN CONNECTION WITH THIS AGREEMENT AND SCEA’S MAXIMUM LIABILITY UNDER THIS AGREEMENT OR WITH RESPECT TO YOUR USE OF OR ACCESS TO SONY ONLINE SERVICES SHALL BE LIMITED TO YOUR DIRECT DAMAGES, NOT TO EXCEED THE UNUSED FUNDS IN YOUR WALLET AS OF THE DATE OF TERMINATION. EXCEPT AS STATED IN THE FOREGOING SENTENCE, SCEA EXCLUDES ALL LIABILITY FOR ANY LOSS OF DATA, DAMAGE CAUSED TO YOUR SOFTWARE OR HARDWARE, AND ANY OTHER LOSS OR DAMAGE SUFFERED BY YOU OR ANY THIRD PARTY, WHETHER DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL AND HOWEVER ARISING, AS A RESULT OF ACCESSING OR DOWNLOADING ANY CONTENT TO YOUR PLAYSTATION 3 COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM, THE PSP (PLAYSTATION PORTABLE) SYSTEM, BRAVIA TELEVISION, SONY BLU-RAY DISC PLAYER OR ANY HARDWARE DEVICE, OR USING OR ACCESSING SONY ONLINE SERVICES. UNLESS THIS PROVISION IS UNENFORCEABLE IN YOUR JURISDICTION, THE FOREGOING LIMITATIONS, EXCLUSIONS AND DISCLAIMERS SHALL APPLY TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, EVEN IF ANY REMEDY FAILS ITS ESSENTIAL PURPOSE. Internet Service Provider fees are the full responsibility of the user. Authorized Devices sold separately."

I didn't see that part. I don't know how I didn't.

Just to play Devil's Advocate, you do know that a TOS doesn't always solve the legal questions. Different states have different laws and when operating within those states, you're bound by their regulations and statutes.

[Wingman1977]

It's really sad that how society as a whole has become. The second anything goes wrong (not just talking about video games), people want to start a lawsuit and how the US economy is, people have more of a ichy trigger finger.

[Blu-ray Neo]

Originally Posted by ps3bd_owner

I should've just got a Blu-ray Player standalone instead of PS3,

The PS3 is the best Blu-ray player on the market hands down.

[Sponge-worthy]

Originally Posted by Blu-ray Neo

I didn't see that part. I don't know how I didn't.

Just to play Devil's Advocate, you do know that a TOS doesn't always solve the legal questions. Different states have different laws and when operating within those states, you're bound by their regulations and statutes.

What a TOS does is attempt to enforce a choice of law...usually of the offeror's choosing. Without reviewing the PSN EULA (because I just don't care that much ), I think Sony tries to get the end user to agree to be subject to California law...??

[Blu-ray Neo]

Originally Posted by Wingman1977

It's really sad that how society as a whole has become. The second anything goes wrong (not just talking about video games), people want to start a lawsuit and how the US economy is, people have more of a ichy trigger finger.

I agree for the most part with your post. We have gotten to be a litigious society. I think part of that responsibility falls in line with both parties and not just the plaintiff. You don't see the companies making good on their errors. (Namely Microsoft and the RROD debacle.)

I don't think the economy has anything to do with it. I think people in general, just get upset when they feel as though they were wronged and want satisfaction.

[Rob71]

Originally Posted by Denoku

That's really sad, if that's all you use your PS3 for. Why not buy a blu-ray player if that's all you want?

I have two PS3's. One gets about 25% use for gameplay and the other effectively zero. When I bought the first it was the best player on the market and when I bought the second I saw no reason to change. They are still one of the best BD players on the market.

[Psx0005]

Originally Posted by Blu-ray Neo

I didn't see that part. I don't know how I didn't.

Just to play Devil's Advocate, you do know that a TOS doesn't always solve the legal questions. Different states have different laws and when operating within those states, you're bound by their regulations and statutes.

Yeah, being jobless gives me so much time to do things like read boring agreements

But yeah, I hear ya on the different laws/states thing. I see that part all the time in the agreements. Hell, I remember seeing those things way back when I had my first very Playstation (the grey one). Never really looked into what Florida had for their laws, or any other state's for that matter. But guess I've never really had to make use of them because I've never really had that big of an issue with any of my products/services or I've resolved it at the manager-level before having to go higher to resolve it.

Reading that fine print is time-consuming and a lot of misinformation on what customers can and cannot do in regards to their products and services is usually covered in those mind-numblingly boring paragraphs. To be perfectly honest, I didn't start reading everything in all the user agreements associated with the PS3 until the whole OtherOS feature being removed debacle started up a while ago.

[Wingman1977]

Originally Posted by Blu-ray Neo

I agree for the most part with your post. We have gotten to be a litigious society. I think part of that responsibility falls in line with both parties and not just the plaintiff. You don't see the companies making good on their errors. (Namely Microsoft and the RROD debacle.)

I don't think the economy has anything to do with it. I think people in general, just get upset when they feel as though they were wronged and want satisfaction.

Actually MS did (extending the warranty for it to 3yrs and refunding people who had paid MS to repair their console who had that issue but we're getting off topic). Society is lawsuit happy.

[Psx0005]

Originally Posted by Rob71

I have two PS3's. One gets about 25% use for gameplay and the other effectively zero. When I bought the first it was the best player on the market and when I bought the second I saw no reason to change. They are still one of the best BD players on the market.

Agreed. I have a Samsung BDP-1590 that the wife bought a couple of months ago clearance at Target. Said it was "wireless-ready" on the box when she got it, then found out that you actually had to purchase an $80 network stick to do the wireless. If the thing weren't clearance, I would've chucked that thing back at Target. As luck would have it, found an alternative network stick that uses the same chipset as the Samsung version for only $25 at Newegg.

Still, the PS3 is my choice for the top BD player in the house. Works right out the box. Even with the PSN down, can still access Netflix and the online aspects of my BD's (since they aren't reliant on the PSN to connect to the 'net). Still planning on getting a second one myself once I get back on my feet.

[alphapyro]

my netflix does not work.. it loads, but I cannot play any movies/shows although I can browse.

What gives?

[Mavrick]

The current PlayStation Network outage started when Sony pulled the plug on the service to thwart hackers who had found a way to steal content using faked credit card numbers, according to a new report.

As detailed on VentureBeat, a poster on Reddit.com called chesh420 has claimed that PSN went down shortly after new custom firmware hit the web.

Called Rebug.me, the mod let users access a developer network where they could enter a fake credit card number and download content at their leisure.

The latest version of Rebug.me went live at the end of March, with guides explaining how to use the credit card exploit appearing a week or so later – shortly before the PSN downtime began.

"Now, you can believe Sony's PR team which has kept you completely in the dark, or you can see the list of events above and come to your own conclusion," chesh420 wrote.

Sony hasn't commented on the reasons for the outage beyond blaming an "external intrusion". Earlier today it announced it was "rebuilding" the network to "provide the system with additional security."

Source: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...edit-card-scam

[Crimson King]

I'm not a PSN memeber, but this hacker thing is quite scarry.

Makes one wonder if they are possible at doing MUCH more serious internet crimes, IE funneling of bank accounts, hacking into CIA, FBI, military files, etc...

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by BillyJack

I'm not a PSN memeber, but this hacker thing is quite scarry.

Makes one wonder if they are possible at doing MUCH more serious internet crimes, IE funneling of bank accounts, hacking into CIA, FBI, military files, etc...

Well, it has been done in the past

[1blufan]

Originally Posted by alphapyro

my netflix does not work.. it loads, but I cannot play any movies/shows although I can browse.

What gives?

Works fine for me, and several others on here. Don't know what's going on with yours.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Wingman1977

Actually MS did (extending the warranty for it to 3yrs and refunding people who had paid MS to repair their console who had that issue but we're getting off topic). Society is lawsuit happy.

I keep wishing SCEI would do something similar for the YLOD, but not yet. Wonder if they'll fess up on this PSN deal or if it will stay on the rumor side.

[Psx0005]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

Source: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...edit-card-scam

Bah, like I'm gonna take the word of someone calling themselves "chesh420."