The Terminator Digibook May 10th

[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

Well, Van Ling (the guy who produced most of Cameron's Special Edition Laserdisc and DVD editions) said that the production on a completely new version was stopped a while ago. I don't know whether that means the re-scanning and remastering was already completed. And it doesn't mean that some other team might be working on it.

The Lowry film restoration is done and sitting in a vault. Van Ling was in the process of producing the audio commentary when the Blu-ray production was halted.

[Aquel]

Originally Posted by aggienader08

I know... I just wanted to get people all riled up.

You really would enjoy the Star Wars topic then

[octagon]

Originally Posted by dougotte

That seems a bit hyperbolic. I think I paid about $10 for it, and I enjoyed it. I grew to love this movie from a Beta or VHS I taped off a cable channel in the 80s, and the BD far outshines it. Could it be better? Possibly, but we know it was a low-budget production. Would I like to have the original audio included? You bet. But, I think it was worth what I paid for it.

Doug

Well, it wasn't hyperbole in the sense that I was accurately and without exaggeration describing my reaction. Whether that reaction was fair or not...

Is the BD worth five-ten bucks to somebody who doesn't already own the movie? Sure, it's not unwatchable nor is it worse than previous DVD releases.

I wasn't one of those people, though.

[shamon]

Originally Posted by kdo

Regardless of what anyone thinks about digibooks, the fact of the matter is that it's going to contain the same 25GB disc from 2006, which is lacking not only the original mono track, but also numerous extras that were on the special edition DVD (as well as more recent, unreleased material apparently). Personally, I'm done with waiting for a proper re-release of this film. Seeing this digibook set to be released with the same old disc is the final straw for me. I will not be rebuying "the Terminator" even if it does come out eventually with a new transfer, the mono track, and the whole nine yards. This repeated "re-packaging of the same old disc" behavior has worn my patience thin.

Same here i brought two of the same movie mines are the first and the second one with the slip cover .

[Sith]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

And people wonder why they keep re-releasing the old disc .

This sickens me. Such a poor release, and your right, If everyone buys it what incentive do they have to remaster it.

[Daredevil666]

I don't think sales of the original repackaged will delay the remaster. In fact the more it sells, the more we might have chances to see a remaster one day as the title still proves it's a strong seller.

The real reason the remaster is not being issued have to do with MGM financial problems, as well as James Cameron finding the time to oversee the project and get it done right ala Aliens.

To buy or not to buy the original crappy disc won't delay the remaster. It's not in our hands.

[Oblivion138]

Originally Posted by dougotte

That seems a bit hyperbolic. I think I paid about $10 for it, and I enjoyed it. I grew to love this movie from a Beta or VHS I taped off a cable channel in the 80s, and the BD far outshines it. Could it be better? Possibly, but we know it was a low-budget production. Would I like to have the original audio included? You bet. But, I think it was worth what I paid for it.

Doug

"Possibly?" Undoubtedly, it could be better. Not using a master struck for a DVD release, complete with ugly digital manipulations, would be a fine start. How about a transfer that looks more like film? That's what I'm holding out for.

Originally Posted by dvdvision

The real reason the remaster is not being issued have to do with MGM financial problems, as well as James Cameron finding the time to oversee the project and get it done right ala Aliens.

The restoration's already done...not much left for Cameron to oversee at this point.

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by dvdvision

I don't think sales of the original repackaged will delay the remaster. In fact the more it sells, the more we might have chances to see a remaster one day as the title still proves it's a strong seller.

The real reason the remaster is not being issued have to do with MGM financial problems, as well as James Cameron finding the time to oversee the project and get it done right ala Aliens.

To buy or not to buy the original crappy disc won't delay the remaster. It's not in our hands.

The decision to buy it or not is in our hands. And frankly, why buy a disc when you know it's perfectly mediocre and you already know a remaster will be released in the future? Obviously everyone can decide for their own, but it seems to me that that money could be spent on Blu-rays that are worth it.

[Daredevil666]

The restoration's already done...not much left for Cameron to oversee at this point.

A transfert done in 4K is just the beginning of the work. You know the road is long and it takes more than a couple of days to strike from it a sweet looking master and encode.

[IngramAU]

I honestly don't think we're gonna see a good transfer until 2014 when it's 30 year anniversary.

Sad but true.

[dougotte]

Originally Posted by octagon

Well, it wasn't hyperbole in the sense that I was accurately and without exaggeration describing my reaction. Whether that reaction was fair or not...

Is the BD worth five-ten bucks to somebody who doesn't already own the movie? Sure, it's not unwatchable nor is it worse than previous DVD releases.

I wasn't one of those people, though.

Fair enough, and I agree w/ the BD's weak points. I'm just arguing that the best available version of the film for home viewing (or is one of the DVD editions better - I'm honestly asking), which is much better than any version I've ever seen, is a bargain at $10, IMO.

For the same reason, I finally bought the 1080i Canadian version of Time Bandits. I only had the non-anamorphic DVD previously, so decided that $12.99 was worth it for the best available (but still insufficient) edition.

Doug

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by dougotte

Fair enough, and I agree w/ the BD's weak points. I'm just arguing that the best available version of the film for home viewing (or is one of the DVD editions better - I'm honestly asking), which is much better than any version I've ever seen, is a bargain at $10, IMO.

For the same reason, I finally bought the 1080i Canadian version of Time Bandits. I only had the non-anamorphic DVD previously, so decided that $12.99 was worth it for the best available (but still insufficient) edition.

Doug

There's a member of this site that made a custom Time Bandits for me. It consists of the U.K. transfer with lossless audio and it is quite awesome. The U.S. version used an old master, but had lossless audio. The U.K. version used a newer master, but had lossy audio and is Region B locked. So I got the best of both worlds.

[aggienader08]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

There's a member of this site that made a custom Time Bandits for me. It consists of the U.K. transfer with lossless audio and it is quite awesome. The U.S. version used an old master, but had lossless audio. The U.K. version used a newer master, but had lossy audio and is Region B locked. So I got the best of both worlds.

and by custom you mean illegal? lol

what I want to know is that if they're making "custom" blu-rays and mixing in the "best of both worlds" with them, why isn't he working for the studio?

I'd be curious to know if the UK master and the US lossy audio sinc together well. Have you had any minor lip sinc issues when watching this "custom" blu-ray?

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by aggienader08

and by custom you mean illegal? lol

what I want to know is that if they're making "custom" blu-rays and mixing in the "best of both worlds" with them, why isn't he working for the studio?

I'd be curious to know if the UK master and the US lossy audio sinc together well. Have you had any minor lip sinc issues when watching this "custom" blu-ray?

Not any issues whatsoever. I liked it so much that I sold my U.S. version that I bought for $7.99 off Amazon.

[Oblivion138]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

The decision to buy it or not is in our hands. And frankly, why buy a disc when you know it's perfectly mediocre and you already know a remaster will be released in the future? Obviously everyone can decide for their own, but it seems to me that that money could be spent on Blu-rays that are worth it.

I especially can't understand people buying it more than once, just because there's new packaging.

Originally Posted by dvdvision

A transfert done in 4K is just the beginning of the work. You know the road is long and it takes more than a couple of days to strike from it a sweet looking master and encode.

Unless I'm mistaken, the part in which Cameron would have principally participated was already completed in his absence. I mean, sure, he can come in and throw some DNR around (and admittedly, the DNR job done on Aliens was generally very good, and only resulted in a few waxy faces), maybe use digital means to correct some revealing SFX problems, possibly tweak the color timing a bit, etc. But the work that's already in the can is the truly important part. They could throw what they have right this minute onto a BD-50 and it would no doubt be a huge improvement over the existing disc.

I doubt Cameron will be involved in the transfer at this stage. I could be wrong, but I have my doubts. At any rate, I'd rather they released a disc with a new transfer than pimp the same old release out one more time with a shiny new package.

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

The Lowry film restoration is done and sitting in a vault.

I hope that's where it stays. They can drop that vault in the ocean while they're at it.

Keep Lowry and his toys the heck away from any films that I love.

[Anubis2005X]

Originally Posted by Strevlac

I hope that's where it stays. They can drop that vault in the ocean while they're at it.

Keep Lowry and his toys the heck away from any films that I love.

???

Have you seen the restoration work they've done on some of the Bond movies? They look gorgeous, why the hate?

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by Anubis2005X

???

Have you seen the restoration work they've done on some of the Bond movies? They look gorgeous, why the hate?

It might be me, but it seems they've gone a little bit overboard with the grain removal on those Bond movies. It looks too digital (but not in a Predator kind of way) to me.

[The Driver]

I've never heard so much fuss over a re-re-release in my life!

Hey, this release is a cash-in meant for collectors (who will buy no matter what) and a refresh for retailers and simply new markting for a slightly changed product. Distributors and retailers need all the money they can get at the moment.

I'm buying this because I collect stuff like this and I like supporting releases I like. I also I like the transfer just the way it is. We don't need loads more DNR applied or trickery unless there's actually problems with the original print used.

4k? 8k? Yeah, and we'll have a 3D or Smell-O-Vision® version too.

Buy it or don't -but don't lose sleep over it.

[Oblivion138]

Originally Posted by The Driver

I've never heard so much fuss over a re-re-release in my life!

Hey, this release is a cash-in meant for collectors (who will buy no matter what) and a refresh for retailers and simply new markting for a slightly changed product. Distributors and retailers need all the money they can get at the moment.

Apparently, consumers just have money to throw away. Well, more power to 'em, I suppose. For me, there are enough great movies in the world that I can spend my money on, rather than buying the same exact disc anytime the almighty distributor descends from on high to grace the lowly masses with a new piece of packaging.

Originally Posted by The Driver

I also I like the transfer just the way it is. We don't need loads more DNR applied or trickery unless there's actually problems with the original print used.

What we need is a better scan and less DNR.

"Loads of DNR" is one of the faults of the existing transfer.