The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

One more thing. The archiving claim is what Michael Pellerin claims they were originally intended to be, amongst serving other purposes.

Of course. Until the director announces that he isn't satisfied with it, as Mr. Jackson did, and then a new master is created. I don't see a problem with Mr. Pellerin's statement, or how in any way his words support your claim(s).

Originally Posted by greg_achen

Obviously things can and did change and will continue to change as technology improves.

Yes, things change all the time. (Take a look at the recent releases of Fritz Lang's M to see how many different "definitive" releases there are.

Originally Posted by greg_achen

I wasn't aware, however, that mastering techniques back then would elimate almost all the green that was originally intended for the film.

But you should have been aware that a master prepared with SDVD in mind is more or less guaranteed to have different characteristics than a master prepared with HD/Blu-ray in mind, possible major color issues, etc. Now, as far as this release is concerned, no one yet knows to what extent.

Originally Posted by greg_achen

At this point it is becoming obvious by your dodging some of my questions that you do not have an answer as to why no other home release, especially the theatrical Blu Ray release approved and corrected by the films original DP, doesn't have any hint of the "originally" intended green tint.

On the contrary, it appears that you are misinterpreting the information that has been offered to you.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

But you should have been aware that a master prepared with SDVD in mind is more or less guaranteed to have different characteristics than a master prepared with HD/Blu-ray in mind, possible major color issues. Now, as far as this release is concerned, no one yet knows to what extent.

I am fully aware that possible major color issues could arise. But according to that same interview, he claims the color issues were fixed by the film's original DP for the theatrical Blu Rays. The theatrical Blu Rays DO NOT contain that green tint. I could just as easily claim you are misinterpreting things.

[kingkong650]

Originally Posted by mixxed_up

Here are some other comparisons. Looks very good with much more detail then the TEs, and without red tint. The green tint isn't so bad.

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...he_rings_1_bd1

You need to try and look past the extra detail in the fotr extended edition blu-ray, which is obvious and nobody is contesting, and look at the colours.

Do you truely think its acceptable that the whole film has been graded with the same strong green tint regardless of scenes and locations in the film? Is it acceptable to you that Hobbiton (and everywhere else for that matter) now has green skies and the clouds look green as well?

To compare the slightly stronger reds of the theatrical editon blu-ray to the strong consistant dull green tint found throughout the extended edition blu-ray is laughable. I don't remember all the skies looking red in the theatrical blu-ray of fotr because they never did.

[mixxed_up]

Originally Posted by kingkong650

You need to try and look past the extra detail in the fotr extended edition blu-ray, which is obvious and nobody is contesting, and look at the colours.

Do you truely think its acceptable that the whole film has been graded with the same strong green tint regardless of scenes and locations in the film? Is it acceptable to you that Hobbiton (and everywhere else for that matter) now has green skies and the clouds look green as well?

To compare the slightly stronger reds of the theatrical editon blu-ray to the strong consistant green tint found throughout the extended edition blu-ray is laughable. I don't remember all the skies looking red in the theatrical blu-ray of fotr because they never did.

I can't see a green tint in all scenes, just in some of them. The others look amazing. There's only a little green tint in the Snow-Scenes. Yes, it's okay.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

I am fully aware that possible major color issues could arise. But according to that same interview, he claims the color issues were fixed by the film's original DP for the theatrical Blu Rays. The theatrical Blu Rays DO NOT contain that green tint. I could just as easily claim you are misinterpreting things.

And the problem is that you do not understand that between approving a master and producing a transfer a lot can happen. Which is why you have this statement:

I let Peter know I would try to lend a hand keeping an eye on the creation of the Theatrical BDs, because as no one from the original New Line DVD team was left, the team at Warner Home Video understandably couldn't be expected to know where all the elements are, or their history - and a certain amount of information naturally had the potential of getting lost in translation between New Line and WHV.

Originally Posted by greg_achen

I could just as easily claim you are misinterpreting things.

Well, considering that you have not been able to defend any of your claims thus far, this would be a waste of your time.

Have a good night

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

Well, considering that you have not been able to defend any of your claims thus far, this is highly unlikely.

Have a good night

In your opinion and I will let you have that.

[kingkong650]

Originally Posted by mixxed_up

I can't see a green tint in all scenes, just in some of them. The others look amazing. There's only a little green tint in the Snow-Scenes. Yes, it's okay.

I have seen the whole film and can assure you that it runs thoughout the whole film. The only scenes where it is very obvious are scenes with things that are meant to be white, like skies, snow, the fade to white when Frodo's being healed by Elrond just before waking up in Rivendell etc. Just because you can't see it easily in the other scenes doesn't mean its not there.

I've done comparisons regrading the screencaps taken directly from the blu-ray that have been posted previously in this thread and others to remove that green tint from the scenes where you can't see it so easily, it corrects the colours and makes the flesh tones look right and healthy every time.

As they are now, everybody has greenish flesh tones and look like they're sick and about to puke up.

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by mixxed_up

Here are some other comparisons. Looks very good with much more detail then the TEs, and without red tint. The green tint isn't so bad.

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...he_rings_1_bd1

A question regarding these screenshot comparisons:
Why do the Theatrical Cut screenshots #2 & #7 look a lot sharper than
the Extended Cut screenshots?

And here's an observation nobody has mentioned so far:
There's QUITE a boost in contrast in the Extended Cut. For example check
out the coat of the scarecrow in screenshot #1. You can see A LOT more detail in the Theatrical Cut.
Or take a look at screenshot #3....the Extended Cut version is so black you can hardly see anything.
It's hard to see the top of the wooden structures on the right side.

[Deviation]

So. Much. Green.

It's crazy.

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by amoergosum

And here's an observation nobody has mentioned so far:
There's QUITE a boost in contrast in the Extended Cut. For example check
out the coat of the scarecrow in screenshot #1. You can see A LOT more detail in the Theatrical Cut.
Or take a look at screenshot #3....the Extended Cut version is so black you can hardly see anything.
It's hard to see the top of the wooden structures on the right side.

>>>

[WorkShed]

I agree about the contrast. I was looking at some of those screenshots from before and thought well, it's not as bad as AVP:R (the darkest looking studio blu-ray I've ever seen, with Last of the Mohicans coming in a sadly close second) but this looks really dark and has a bit too much contrast.

I also enjoy that some of the people who like it have now resulted to name-calling as their last line of defense by calling those that have a problem (and I have a problem with Taxi Driver in that it also has a major green push, although I wasn't vocal about it) nothing but whiny fanboys. It is called an appreciation of film and production, which is also the reason why I am vocal about a release of the UOT of Star Wars.

I honestly wonder, if WBHV does an exchange program and replaces discs in stores, will the people who say they like the regrade exchange their discs?

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by kingkong650

You need to try and look past the extra detail in the fotr extended edition blu-ray, which is obvious and nobody is contesting, and look at the colours.

Do you truely think its acceptable that the whole film has been graded with the same strong green tint regardless of scenes and locations in the film? Is it acceptable to you that Hobbiton (and everywhere else for that matter) now has green skies and the clouds look green as well?

To compare the slightly stronger reds of the theatrical editon blu-ray to the strong consistant dull green tint found throughout the extended edition blu-ray is laughable. I don't remember all the skies looking red in the theatrical blu-ray of fotr because they never did.

Same thing I noticed. Sky and snow make the issue most obvious and it is clear as day in a lot of those caps. Ugly.

Originally Posted by WorkShed

I also enjoy that some of the people who like it have now resulted to name-calling as their last line of defense by calling those that have a problem (and I have a problem with Taxi Driver in that it also has a major green push, although I wasn't vocal about it) nothing but whiny fanboys. It is called an appreciation of film and production, which is also the reason why I am vocal about a release of the UOT of Star Wars.

Agreed. Desperate and immature last line of defense

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by amoergosum

I'm sure that the model-makers that worked their butts off on the detail of these models just love that the first time you see their work, you can't see anything from Isengard. Now, there's something else to argue about!

Darkness!

[Petri Teittinen]

If you can't see the structures in the Isengard shot, you need to get your display calibrated.

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by Petri Teittinen

If you can't see the structures in the Isengard shot, you need to get your display calibrated.

I CAN see them but the Extended Edition screenshot is so dark that
it's hard to see the top of the wooden structure.

[Petri Teittinen]

Originally Posted by amoergosum

I CAN see them but the Extended Edition screenshot is so dark that it's hard to see the top of the wooden structure.

Not that hard on a properly calibrated display...

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by Petri Teittinen

Not that hard on a properly calibrated display...

If that's your argument, then it's too freakin' dark. Last of the Mohicans is too dark, yet people said if your display is properly calibrated, then it's fine. Suuuure.

It's obviously darker than the previous blu and notably darker than any presentation that I've seen of Fellowship. Once something gets too dark, you lose detail. Even in daylight, the scarecrow has no detail. The shot of Gandolf by the door of Bag End is also too dark. Not every scene is atrocious but there are some notable examples of it being hard to see the detail.

[Petri Teittinen]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

If that's your argument, then it's too freakin' dark.

No. My argument is that if shadow detail is present on disc, i.e. blacks are not crushed, you can see that detail on a calibrated display. If the display is crushing blacks, you won't see that detail on a disc which actually has it.

[dukerock12]

i really don't wanna go through all of the posts, has anyone posted pictures of the packaging yet?

[Wayfarer]

Also, can someone who has the discs confirm whether or not they are region free?