Will you purchase THD discs

[JTK]

The THD marketing, assuming these things ever really see the light of day, will almost certainly cater to the idea of "It's this or nothing!!!" and that will be disingenuous and unfortunate.

They'll be going for a quick hit just like this LG dual format player.

I wish nothing but colossal failure for any of the likes of it.

The sad irony and disservice of this is that it will contribute to even MORE customer confusion. "THD"....what is that, another format?

So what do you do? Buy your dual format player for your all in one THD discs?

This stuff's just getting stupid outright.

I don't care if LOTR:EE comes out on THD. Out of principle, I will not help contribute to prolonging this Microsoft charade of a format war while they continue to deliberately splinter the market.

I will not buy THD. I will not buy combos of any kind. I will not buy dual format anything, of any kind. I will not buy anything that even remotely assists MS in prolonging this needless nonsense and attempt for them to try and strong arm their way into the home theater market.

I will import BD's long before I ever buy any of this combo or dual format garbage.

All of this crap is just more fuel for that fire. I'm going to say totally Blu and I can wait the extra time to get it done right.


Here's what's so stupid about the whole thing:

ALL of this nonsense for Universal Studio movies? That's the only reason a lot of people bought HD-DVD or have stuck with it even this long while most of them bought into BD as well.

If things go the way I expect them to and I start seeing Universal blink in BD's direction within the next 6-12 months...all of this nonsense will be for naught anyways.

It's that simple.

[GTP]

Originally Posted by JTK

The THD marketing, assuming these things ever really see the light of day, will almost certainly cater to the idea of "It's this or nothing!!!" and that will be disingenuous and unfortunate.

They'll be going for a quick hit just like this LG dual format player.

I wish nothing but colossal failure for any of the likes of it.

The sad irony and disservice of this is that it will contribute to even MORE customer confusion. "THD"....what is that, another format?

So what do you do? Buy your dual format player for your all in one THD discs?

This stuff's just getting stupid outright.

I don't care if LOTR:EE comes out on THD. Out of principle, I will not help contribute to prolonging this Microsoft charade of a format war while they continue to deliberately splinter the market.

I will not buy THD. I will not buy combos of any kind. I will not buy dual format anything, of any kind. I will not buy anything that even remotely assists MS in prolonging this needless nonsense and attempt for them to try and strong arm their way into the home theater market.

I will import BD's long before I ever buy any of this combo or dual format garbage.

All of this crap is just more fuel for that fire. I'm going to say totally Blu and I can wait the extra time to get it done right.


Here's what's so stupid about the whole thing:

ALL of this nonsense for Universal Studio movies? That's the only reason a lot of people bought HD-DVD or have stuck with it even this long while most of them bought into BD as well.

If things go the way I expect them to and I start seeing Universal blink in BD's direction within the next 6-12 months...all of this nonsense will be for naught anyways.

It's that simple.

All true....plus Warner is doing this 100% for greed...and if we buy these, we will then see Paramount and Universal go the same route....while paying royalties to Warner.

If two or more of these are sucessful....then what happens with Disney/Fox.
Do we pay in the 40's, 50's street prices for them also?

Expect these discs to street in the 40's with retail in the 50's or higher for new releases....which is going to kill the small amount of mass adoption we would have seen in the next year or so.

This B.S. needs to stop now much like Divx was stopped before it ever gained any steam.
Who in the h*ll does Warner think they are...Microsoft?

[DavePS3]

Personally, I don't care if they have 200 formats. As long as I can get the movies I want in the format I have, I'm happy. Besides... wouldn't all these hardcore guys turn around quickly if the BD was losing the war? As for THD discs... if a title I want only comes out that way, I'll buy it. Man, some people are wrapped too tight!

[GTP]

Originally Posted by DavePS3

Personally, I don't care if they have 200 formats. As long as I can get the movies I want in the format I have, I'm happy. Besides... wouldn't all these hardcore guys turn around quickly if the BD was losing the war? As for THD discs... if a title I want only comes out that way, I'll buy it. Man, some people are wrapped too tight!

So you want to contribute to the demise of HD.....because you, and a few others are not going to keep sales afloat.

HD optical is already less than nitchie to begin with....and the masses are not going to buy many movies at current prices....let alone much higher prices.

I am in this for mass adoption as a replacement for sd dvd before the downloads are here.
Its not about which format wins as much as having one format and cheaper software pricing inline with sd dvd....as soon as possible.
Blu is in a much better position to make that happen.....but red(Warner Microsoft Universal) keeps coming up with lame , more expensive ideas to make it less likely for the masses to ever adopt either.

THD is without a doubt... one of those very lame ideas.

Man....some people are just Not thinking any of this through...and only thinking of their selfish wants instead of the mass adoption that is going to be required to even have any long term HD optical support.

Microsoft loves there kind though....and will have plenty of downloads for them when there is no more HD optical because of studio greed.

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by GTP

So you want to contribute to the demise of HD.....because you, and a few others are not going to keep sales afloat.

HD optical is already less than nitchie to begin with....and the masses are not going to buy many movies at current prices....let alone much higher prices.

I am in this for mass adoption as a replacement for sd dvd before the downloads are here.
Its not about which format wins as much as having one format and cheaper software pricing inline with sd dvd....as soon as possible.
Blu is in a much better position to make that happen.....but red(Warner Microsoft Universal) keeps coming up with lame , more expensive ideas to make it less likely for the masses to ever adopt either.

THD is without a doubt... one of those very lame ideas.

Man....some people are just Not thinking any of this through...and only thinking of their selfish wants instead of the mass adoption that is going to be required to even have any long term HD optical support.

Microsoft loves there kind though....and will have plenty of downloads for them when there is no more HD optical because of studio greed.

GTP gets it. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Look, nobody likes flippers but it's a fact we have to deal with...not buying them only hurts YOU in the end.

[sticks]

Originally Posted by BTBuck1

GTP gets it. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Look, nobody likes flippers but it's a fact we have to deal with...not buying them only hurts YOU in the end.

I still say I will only buy bd's in there true form in order to bring out that form as the eventual winner.imo.

[JohnnyBluRay]

Fud.com ? Fear uncertainty doubt?

[Shadowself]

for me is the constraints on the data streams as a result of the HD DVD version (side) on the disk.

I believe it is *extremely* likely that the same compressed video stream will be on both sides (AVC or VC-1). If we are talking something like LOTR ROTK EE then the compression will have to be rather severe to get both the video and audio stream on a single 30GB disk. Also on the HD DVD side the audio will need to be inferior too. It is even possible that the same audio quality will be done on both sides? Thus I doubt the BD side will be any "better" than the HD DVD side.

If the BD side has a better video stream and a better audio stream won't this just make HD DVD be the clear loser of the two formats? Put the disk in a BD player and it's great. Put the disk in a HD DVD player and it's lower quality. -- Same movie. Same source. Same distributor. Same Disk. A trivially easy demonstration. -- Thus I doubt they'd ever make them significantly different and everything will be reduced to the HD DVD constraints.

Why would I support a technology (THD) that will require me to accept the *LOWEST COMMON DENOMINAOR* when I can (and do) adimantly push for (and support) the better systems?

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by Shadowself

Why would I support a technology (THD) that will require me to accept the *LOWEST COMMON DENOMINAOR* when I can (and do) adimantly push for (and support) the better systems?

Because the only choice you have in the matter is, buy...or nothing. They aren't going to release ROTK from some other studio, so pretty much...you can buy it and accept it for what it is, or wait for something that most likely will never happen (especially if they view these hd formats as losers) or wait for M$ to give you some Uber compressed download filled with artifacts and softening and wait hours for it to download, have no case, and only be able to watch it several times per purchase.

Your philosophy is unfortunately shared by the HDDVD boys, in that they wont budge from their support because they feel if they "hold out" then Disney & Fox may sway over....You and I know that aint gonna happen.

[GTP]

Originally Posted by Shadowself

for me is the constraints on the data streams as a result of the HD DVD version (side) on the disk.

I believe it is *extremely* likely that the same compressed video stream will be on both sides (AVC or VC-1). If we are talking something like LOTR ROTK EE then the compression will have to be rather severe to get both the video and audio stream on a single 30GB disk. Also on the HD DVD side the audio will need to be inferior too. It is even possible that the same audio quality will be done on both sides? Thus I doubt the BD side will be any "better" than the HD DVD side.

If the BD side has a better video stream and a better audio stream won't this just make HD DVD be the clear loser of the two formats? Put the disk in a BD player and it's great. Put the disk in a HD DVD player and it's lower quality. -- Same movie. Same source. Same distributor. Same Disk. A trivially easy demonstration. -- Thus I doubt they'd ever make them significantly different and everything will be reduced to the HD DVD constraints.

Why would I support a technology (THD) that will require me to accept the *LOWEST COMMON DENOMINAOR* when I can (and do) adimantly push for (and support) the better systems?

After costs stunting any potential and badly needed future mass adoption....your reason is also a very viable reason not to support these disc.
You can count on even if there is a 50gb BD layer...that it will be constrained to hd dvd's limits with ported video and limited audio.

The only chance of ever seeing LOTR ee with PCM, DTS-MA, or DD-HD will be on 50GB bd with AVC.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by GTP

All true....plus Warner is doing this 100% for greed...and if we buy these, we will then see Paramount and Universal go the same route....while paying royalties to Warner.

If two or more of these are sucessful....then what happens with Disney/Fox.
Do we pay in the 40's, 50's street prices for them also?

Expect these discs to street in the 40's with retail in the 50's or higher for new releases....which is going to kill the small amount of mass adoption we would have seen in the next year or so.

This B.S. needs to stop now much like Divx was stopped before it ever gained any steam.
Who in the h*ll does Warner think they are...Microsoft?

Heh, definitely an MS aura to the whole thing, that's for sure.

Originally Posted by DavePS3

Personally, I don't care if they have 200 formats.

As long as I can get the movies I want in the format I have, I'm happy.

This is naive, at best.

Besides... wouldn't all these hardcore guys turn around quickly if the BD was losing the war?

You're obviously late to the party. BD was "losing the war" for a little bit when it stumbled on its own feet out of the gate and was being outsold 2:1 by HD-DVD right up until the PS3 launched...those "hardcore" guys you refer to never wavered.

Why? Because of the facts. What the technology is, what it does, what its prospects are, and who is behind it.

You may want to consider a little more research. Best place to start? Our own homepage: www.blu-ray.com

^^ Cheap plug.

As for THD discs... if a title I want only comes out that way, I'll buy it. Man, some people are wrapped too tight!

Could be, but I think some people need to get a better grasp of the facts and the broader ramifications past instant gratification.

They need to step back and consider the "big picture", so to speak.