The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by moparbob

This sucks the damn theater did not show the into by Peter Jackson!!!!!! What did he all say!!!!!! Damn this sucks!!!!!!!

Bob

Peter talked about the remastered version and how FotR looks better than it ever has. He said that we were seeing a "rare event" because the new master was being shown. He also talked about how he wanted to make a fantasy film and inquired about the rights to the series in 1995.

I liked the LotR trivia that was played before the film.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

Putting color timing aside (which I was more than fine with), let me just say I was very impressed by the Theatrical presentation tonight. I had been told to brace myself for a very bad experience, courtesy of Fathom Events. But the Digital Picture and Sound quality were both very high-grade. Can't wait for next week!

I agree. I have never seen a digital projection like this. It was flawless +1.

[Ken Brown]

If the green/cyan/aqua tint is as severe as the screenshots suggest -- if, mind you, if -- then there may very well still be a problem. As the color grading featurette in the Appendices clearly shows, digital color grading can be performed on a region-by-region basis. More green in the trees? No problem. More light on Legolas' face? No problem. More green here, more blue there, keep white in the snow? No issue.

The tint or color grade in the screenshots doesn't concern me. It's the blanket-tint or full-image tint that gives me pause. Jackson most likely wouldn't have graded/shifted the full image in the direction of one color, again, as the featurette on the FOTR Appendices shows. (It's the same video a member posted earlier in this thread.)

Also, there are additional steps between a director/DP approving a transfer and a transfer landing on a disc. Someone in the know can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but it isn't outside the realm of possibility that the transfer was approved and then inadvertently or haphazardly mishandled on its way to the final product.

Again though, that's if, if the screenshots are accurate and indicative of an across-the-board blanket color change that occurred post-Jackson/Lesnie approval. I'm hoping Jackson or Lesnie will issue a statement clarifying the matter to settle things once and for all.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Interesting video posted over on AVS about the color grading on these films............

YouTube - ‪LOTR Digital Color Grading Part 1 of 2‬‏

Check out the comparison shots starting at ~2:20......dont these ungraded images look familiar as far as what we are seeing with this EE FOTR blu ray? The shot at 2:40 is most revealing. Look at the "ungraded" sky in the shots at 2:28, 2:35 and 2:40........I dont know about you, but I sure like my skies blue which happens in the graded shots as opposed to the ungraded shots (which appear to have a green tint by chance). It sure seems to me that many of these "approved" shots are simply ungraded shots which screams lazyness as far as the new blu ray transfer. If I am reading/interpreting this wrong somebody explain it to me.

This release was hardly done in a "lazy" fashion. For crying out loud, they split the movie over two discs with high bit rate and created new transfers. Just because YOU don't like the color change - even though it's already been verified PJ not only approved it, but directed the change, it's "lazy" because you like blue skies. LOL You crack me up, dude.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Jackson most likely wouldn't have graded/shifted the full image in the direction of one color, again, as the featurette on the FOTR Appendices shows. (It's the same video a member posted earlier in this thread.).

He gave his approval during his intro to the Fellowship event last night.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

This release was hardly done in a "lazy" fashion. For crying out loud, they split the movie over two discs with high bit rate and created new transfers. Just because YOU don't like the color change - even though it's already been verified PJ not only approved it, but directed the change, it's "lazy" because you like blue skies. LOL You crack me up, dude.

Well it could be argued that it was done in a somewhat lazy fashion considering there is not one new extra feature for this edition and the extra features we do have are recycled DVDs from the original EEs released almost 10 years ago. But I digress.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

If the green/cyan/aqua tint is as severe as the screenshots suggest -- if, mind you, if -- then there may very well still be a problem. As the color grading featurette in the Appendices clearly shows, digital color grading can be performed on a region-by-region basis. More green in the trees? No problem. More light on Legolas' face? No problem. More green here, more blue there, keep white in the snow? No issue.

The tint or color grade in the screenshots doesn't concern me. It's the blanket-tint or full-image tint that gives me pause. Jackson most likely wouldn't have graded/shifted the full image in the direction of one color, again, as the featurette on the FOTR Appendices shows. (It's the same video a member posted earlier in this thread.)

Also, there are additional steps between a director/DP approving a transfer and a transfer landing on a disc. Someone in the know can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but it isn't outside the realm of possibility that the transfer was approved and then inadvertently or haphazardly mishandled on its way to the final product.

Again though, that's if, if the screenshots are accurate and indicative of an across-the-board blanket color change that occurred post-Jackson/Lesnie approval. I'm hoping Jackson or Lesnie will issue a statement clarifying the matter to settle things once and for all.

Well, some people still don't believe FFC comments regarding Dracula's color on Blu-ray, so...

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

Well it could be argued that it was done in a somewhat lazy fashion considering there is not one new extra feature for this edition and the extra features we do have are recycled DVDs from the original EEs released almost 10 years ago. But I digress.

That has nothing to do with the transfer and overall encode - it was handled as well as could be expected.

[DualEdge]

Just returned from the LotR event here as well and I have to say that I'm definitely impressed with the new master. Fellowship has, indeed, never looked better. If this is what the Blu-ray will look like, I think that fans will be very happy.

Edit: One more thing, Peter himself said that all of the movies came from new masters. I thought that only Fellowship had that planned or maybe that one was just the most notable? Either way, I can't wait for Two Towers next week.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

That has nothing to do with the transfer and overall encode - it was handled as well as could be expected.

Sorry. When you said, "This release was hardly done in a "lazy" fashion," I thought you were talking about the release in general not just the transfers. Because recycling DVDs from a previous release is the epitome of lazy, IMO.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

Sorry. When you said, "This release was hardly done in a "lazy" fashion," I thought you were talking about the release in general not just the transfers. Because recycling DVDs from a previous release is the epitome of lazy, IMO.

Ah, okay. Yeah, well, it is curious why the extras weren't just put on BDs, but the marketing spin of this release having 57 discs can be appealing to some.

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

He gave his approval during his intro to the Fellowship event last night.

Yes, but I'm assuming there wasn't a pause to switch Blu-ray discs in the theater, meaning the theatrical presentation isn't necessarily indicative of what appears on the Blu-ray discs. Again, it's quite possible, at least as I understand it, for a transfer to be approved and then to be mishandled as it makes its way to the actual mass-production discs. That also means the theatrical presentation and Blu-ray presentation could, hypothetically, be different.

In other words, he may have approved of the transfer, but is that the exact transfer we're seeing, or did something else transpire between leaving his eyes and landing on store shelves?

I'm hoping Jackson or Lesnie addresses the Blu-ray release after seeing the Blu-ray discs themselves.

Again though, that's if the issue is as troubling as the early screenshots suggest. I'm speaking in hypotheticals at this point

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by DualEdge

Edit: One more thing, Peter himself said that all of the movies came from new masters. I thought that only Fellowship had that planned or maybe that one was just the most notable? Either way, I can't wait for Two Towers next week.

From what I have seen from TTT and ROTK I am not buying that for 2 seconds. I agree though they need new masters from what I have seen.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

This release was hardly done in a "lazy" fashion. For crying out loud, they split the movie over two discs with high bit rate and created new transfers. Just because YOU don't like the color change - even though it's already been verified PJ not only approved it, but directed the change, it's "lazy" because you like blue skies. LOL You crack me up, dude.

I called it lazy in the sense that many of these screen shots we have seen look VERY similar to the ungraded shots in the video I linked here a few pages back. It looks as if the blu ray (again assuming the shots are accurate) is almost part done in a sense and they did not finish the grading job........that is why I labeled it as a "possible" lazy effort in the blu ray transfer process. Watch the video yourself and tell me the graded/ungraded shots dont look incredibly similar to the TE vs EE blu ray shots we have seen in some cases linked here and at AVS.

Or maybe it was not so much a lazy effort as it was some sort of mistake in the transfer process to blu ray. Again this is assuming the shots and videos we have seen are an accurate representation of the actual blu ray discs which may or may not be the case.

Yes, I hate the color if this is how the blu ray really looks since green snow, skies, beard, etc......look wrong in comparison to how it has always looked up until now, but that is not the point of my "lazy" comment. It appears as if the transfer to blu ray was half assed in the sense that some of these shots look flat out ungraded............would they really leave the sky green? How about the snow? I have a VERY, VERY hard time believing that.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

If the green/cyan/aqua tint is as severe as the screenshots suggest -- if, mind you, if -- then there may very well still be a problem. As the color grading featurette in the Appendices clearly shows, digital color grading can be performed on a region-by-region basis. More green in the trees? No problem. More light on Legolas' face? No problem. More green here, more blue there, keep white in the snow? No issue.

The tint or color grade in the screenshots doesn't concern me. It's the blanket-tint or full-image tint that gives me pause. Jackson most likely wouldn't have graded/shifted the full image in the direction of one color, again, as the featurette on the FOTR Appendices shows. (It's the same video a member posted earlier in this thread.)

Also, there are additional steps between a director/DP approving a transfer and a transfer landing on a disc. Someone in the know can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but it isn't outside the realm of possibility that the transfer was approved and then inadvertently or haphazardly mishandled on its way to the final product.

Again though, that's if, if the screenshots are accurate and indicative of an across-the-board blanket color change that occurred post-Jackson/Lesnie approval. I'm hoping Jackson or Lesnie will issue a statement clarifying the matter to settle things once and for all.

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Yes, but I'm assuming there wasn't a pause to switch Blu-ray discs in the theater, meaning the theatrical presentation isn't necessarily indicative of what appears on the Blu-ray discs. Again, it's quite possible, at least as I understand it, for a transfer to be approved and then to be mishandled as it makes its way to the actual mass-production discs. That also means the theatrical presentation and Blu-ray presentation could, hypothetically, be different.

In other words, he may have approved of the transfer, but is that the exact transfer we're seeing, or did something else transpire between leaving his eyes and landing on store shelves?

I'm hoping Jackson or Lesnie addresses the Blu-ray release after seeing the Blu-ray discs themselves.

Again though, that's if the issue is as troubling as the early screenshots suggest. I'm speaking in hypotheticals at this point

I am very much looking forward to your review Ken. Your review of the TEs was the best out there IMO as it was brutally honest and it was obvious you watched with a very critical eye which us video nuts very much appreciate. You are one of the few reviewers I would trust as far as this potential issue is concerned which is why I am very much anticipating your thoughts.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

For what it's worth, the picture I saw tonight looked like what I've been seeing in screenshots.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by DualEdge

Just returned from the LotR event here as well and I have to say that I'm definitely impressed with the new master. Fellowship has, indeed, never looked better. If this is what the Blu-ray will look like, I think that fans will be very happy.

Edit: One more thing, Peter himself said that all of the movies came from new masters. I thought that only Fellowship had that planned or maybe that one was just the most notable? Either way, I can't wait for Two Towers next week.

From the screening is the green tint there? How did the snow look?

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

For what it's worth, the picture I saw tonight looked like what I've been seeing in screenshots.

And what exactly have you been seeing in the screenshots since even that is debatable to some degree?

[Cinemaddict]

I just got back from seeing "Fellowship EE" on the big screen. Looked excellent. There were two scenes where I think adjustments were made:

- I think a few shots in The Shire looked more green and less yellow.

- The Aragorn/Boromir conversation in Lothlorien has definitly been tinkered with. It doesn't look as blue anymore. You can clearly see the red in Boromir's sleeves. I was very happy to see that change, because the color in that scene has always bothered me. Too extreme.

[jrmac2000]

Just got back from the fellowship theatrical event, but there was no intro by Peter Jackson. Anyone have any video of it?