The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003) - Page 154 - Blu-ray Forum

amoergosum · 06-15-2011, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Post Prod

it can reflect all light equally and appear to be a neutral white

...that's right. I set the white balance to a level where snow appears to be a neutral white.

kingkong650 · 06-15-2011, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicanor

Thanks for the screencaps!!! Finally from a legitimate source. Unfortunately it proves what we all feared. The screencaps taken from the encodes of fellowship of the ring extended edition are accurate (at least the ones taken correctly), there is a strong green tint running throughout the film. I've compared the first shot you posted to the high quality 1080p encode and its exactly the same colour-wise. I'll be checking the other shots to make sure. Damn!!!

amoergosum · 06-15-2011, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Danielle Ni Dhighe

The "correct" white balance and exposure are what the director and cinematographer say they are.

That's right...

I never said that any scene has to be set to levels where snow appears to be white. It was just a demonstration what it would look like.

toddly6666 · 06-15-2011, 04:37 PM

Does anyone think that there will be some trade in program from some store? For example, trade in your extended dvd versions to Best Buy and get the extended blu-rays for cheaper price?

mredman · 06-15-2011, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kingkong650

Thanks for the screencaps!!! Finally from a legitimate source. Unfortunately it proves what we all feared. The screencaps taken from the encodes of fellowship of the ring extended edition are accurate (at least the ones taken correctly), there is a strong green tint running throughout the film. I've compared the first shot you posted to the high quality 1080p encode and its exactly the same colour-wise. I'll be checking the other shots to make sure. Damn!!!

the reviewer at avsforum. Now says the PQ is great as of what he has seen

Velmeran · 06-15-2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kingkong650

Thanks for the screencaps!!! Finally from a legitimate source. Unfortunately it proves what we all feared. The screencaps taken from the encodes of fellowship of the ring extended edition are accurate (at least the ones taken correctly), there is a strong green tint running throughout the film. I've compared the first shot you posted to the high quality 1080p encode and its exactly the same colour-wise. I'll be checking the other shots to make sure. Damn!!!

Can you kindly point us to an example of this strong green tint in any of the screenshots posted above?

Danielle Ni Dhighe · 06-15-2011, 04:43 PM

I see a slight green push in some shots, but nothing egregious.

Petri Teittinen · 06-15-2011, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kingkong650

Finally from a legitimate source.

Umm, how are those any more legitimate than any of the earlier ones?

Nicanor posted this a few hours ago:

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Originally Posted by Nicanor

Here in Romania the website from witch i pre-ordered the EE has modified the date of dispatch to 23 june. I can hardly wait. They have it on stock .. They will begin the dispatch process soon.

Based on that, I'd say he's still waiting for the retail box to ship. I'll leave it to you to figure out where his screenshots are from.

kingkong650 · 06-15-2011, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mredman

the reviewer at avsforum. Now says the PQ is great as of what he has seen

Unfortunately with no other point of reference, i'm sure the colour can and will look great for many people.

Having regraded the first half of the film however, I have another point of reference. The colours are far better without that strong green tint. If you don't believe me, go and check the video comparisons I posted up on AVSforum (one of the mines of moria, one from when gandalf arrives at Hobbiton) but of course your mind is already made up, as you've made abundantly clear from your numerous posts reiterating the same thing, that the film looks fantastic, green tint and all, so my words are most likely falling on deaf ears.

EDIT:

Looks like we're going to have wait a little longer for the official screencaps from reviewers. No point debating what's better when we don't know for certain what we're getting.

Velmeran · 06-15-2011, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Petri Teittinen

Umm, how are those any more legitimate than any of the earlier ones?

Nicanor posted this a few hours ago:

Based on that, I'd say he's still waiting for the retail box to ship. I'll leave it to you to figure out where his screenshots are from.

They aren't. No offense to Nicanor.

Legitimate Sources should be limited to those known to be actual legit reviewers. If you wanted to branch it out a bit further maybe you include screengrabs from those who post pictures of the actual WB boxset and discs.

kingkong650 · 06-15-2011, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Petri Teittinen

Umm, how are those any more legitimate than any of the earlier ones?

Nicanor posted this a few hours ago:

Based on that, I'd say he's still waiting for the retail box to ship. I'll leave it to you to figure out where his screenshots are from.

Ha ha, fair enough. There's still hope then! Looks like we're all waiting for official reviewers to put up their screencaps.

Post Prod · 06-15-2011, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kingkong650

Unfortunately with no other point of reference, i'm sure the colour can and will look great for many people.

Having regraded the first half of the film however, I have another point of reference. The colours are far better without that strong green tint. If you don't believe me, go and check the video comparisons I posted up on AVSforum (one of the mines of moria, one from when gandalf arrives at Hobbiton) but of course your mind is already made up, as you've made abundantly clear from your numerous posts reiterating the same thing, that the film looks fantastic, green tint and all, so my words are most likely falling on deaf ears.

and your mind is less made up? as you "regrade" your pirated copy?

amoergosum · 06-15-2011, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicanor

http://www.imagebam.com/image/dd344c136706458

What do you think ?

Well...it's hard to get used to the colors in your screenshot.
Just one more demonstration what snow would look like if it appeared
neutral white >>>

kingkong650 · 06-15-2011, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Post Prod

and your mind is less made up? as you "regrade" your pirated copy?

Let's wait for official screencaps to appear from reviewers before we have this little debate on what's better/worse.

Mithrandir-Grey · 06-15-2011, 04:57 PM

woo hoo mine has been shipped. really can't wait for this. now lets see how long it takes to get to the u.k.

Petri Teittinen · 06-15-2011, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kingkong650

There's still hope then!

Unfortunately for you, there isn't. I know you're not fond of the new grade, and you're heading for a disappointment in that respect, if you insist on using TE or DVD EE as a reference point.

kingkong650 · 06-15-2011, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Petri Teittinen

Unfortunately for you, there isn't. I know you're not fond of the new grade, and you're heading for a disappointment in that respect, if you insist on using TE or DVD EE as a reference point.

I can still hope right? You and others may have got versions of the fotr ee blu-ray that didn't have their colour grading finished. I know its incredibly unlikely but still, its possible...

I stopped using those two as reference quite a while back. Recreating either of those two colour-wise would require far more time than I have to spare. My reference point is now the high quality 1080p encode of fellowship of the ring minus the green tint.

Goldengirl · 06-15-2011, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Grand Bob

I'm going into this with cautious optimism, but what I've seen so far is not encouraging. Of course the BD EE will be more detailed than the DVD EE, but the color is just as vital - and I thought Jackson had it right on the DVD version. The contrast in color helped to distinguish the "desirable" Middle-earth locations such as Hobbiton - with a yellowish, sunshine-like haze, from the darker areas such as Moria, Isengard, and Mordor. Rivendell had an intentional orange bias, indicating this period was the "autumn" of the Elves existence in Middle-earth. In addition to loss of shadow-detail, it appears that all scenes have been generically shaded green, for whatever reason, and the color-contrast aspect of the movie has been minimized. Mr. Hunt only hastily addresses the color issue, almost seeming to avoid it. We'll know for sure soon; this is going to be a long two weeks.

As usual, you are spot on with why the original coloring worked to define the separate parts of Middle-earth.

Cautious optimism is the best way to go, given the fact that these are the blu-rays I've waited for ever since High Definition came into being. I WANT to love the look of these films as much as I love the story and how the films looked when I first saw them. Couple this with the fact that this now seems to be the director and the DP's desire, which means it won't change if I like it or not. I am going to try very hard to enjoy this release as much as I have been expecting to.

Vendetta-akk · 06-15-2011, 05:09 PM

Nobody is mentioning the fact that this is apparently Peter Jackson and DP Andrew Lesnie choice. Is this a George Lucas thing, where you are upset because you don't think directors should tinker with their films later or are you all just ignoring this detail?

I personally only get upset about questionable masters where the studio has not had hands on input from the filmmakers.

Petri Teittinen · 06-15-2011, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kingkong650

I can still hope right?

Sure, why not. You know, I hope that once you have the retail box in your hands and you sit down to view the movie without any external reference points, you'll come out of it thinking "OK, that wasn't nearly as bad as I expected." Our color perception is malleable, and it's a good thing.

06-15-2011, 05:09 PM	#3079
Vendetta-akk Senior Member Member since:Mar 2008 4K collection:59 Blu-ray collection:89 DVD collection:3 Digital collection:237 iTunes collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 10 Trading Score:6	Nobody is mentioning the fact that this is apparently Peter Jackson and DP Andrew Lesnie choice. Is this a George Lucas thing, where you are upset because you don't think directors should tinker with their films later or are you all just ignoring this detail? I personally only get upset about questionable masters where the studio has not had hands on input from the filmmakers. Last edited by Vendetta-akk; 06-15-2011 at 05:13 PM.

06-15-2011, 04:37 PM	#3064
toddly6666 Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Hong Kong Home Theater Gallery:20 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:1441 DVD collection:31 Blu-ray reviews: 290 Trading Score:61	Does anyone think that there will be some trade in program from some store? For example, trade in your extended dvd versions to Best Buy and get the extended blu-rays for cheaper price?

06-15-2011, 04:43 PM	#3067
Danielle Ni Dhighe Senior Member Member since:Aug 2009 Blu-ray collection:120	I see a slight green push in some shots, but nothing egregious.

06-15-2011, 04:57 PM	#3075
Mithrandir-Grey Expert Member Top contributor Member since:Dec 2009 Location:Peterborough, U.K Digital collection:167 iTunes collection:335 Trading Score:2	woo hoo mine has been shipped. really can't wait for this. now lets see how long it takes to get to the u.k.

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