The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by nathan_393

What would put it to rest is a statement from PJ or Lesnie on the issue, nothing less.

It wouldn't put the issue to rest.

AT ALL.

You will then get comments about how PJ doesn't know what he is doing, similar to how James Cameron was getting those comments for Aliens (when he was right).

[42041]

Originally Posted by mredman

Did you guys see this. Which actually puts to rest that there is an error with the EE BD.And the transfer on the discs IS the version PJ has approved

Well that's nice and all, but I'm not sure where you see the word "green" (or cyan or whatever you color OCD'ers call it ) in there
It's obvious there's new color grading. It's less obvious if the off-white color cast is part of the package.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by merrick97

It wouldn't put the issue to rest.

AT ALL.

You will then get comments about how PJ doesn't know what he is doing, similar to how James Cameron was getting those comments for Aliens (when he was right).

Exactly

Or..as I saw someone state on this forum or the 'other', Warner is going to force PJ to keep his mouth shut not admitting there is an issue.

People are already setting themselves up for their next lame excuse.

Pathetic.

[Velmeran]

Can't wait for Blu Titan to come back into this thread... things are getting far to personnel between a few posters.

[Brightstar]

I agree anyway just read DDP's post in the following link it may sort out the problem

http://www.empireonline.com/forum/tm...&NID=0#3119460

[steelers1]

Originally Posted by Icedburden

Borders cancelled my pre-order!

just to get this strait did you pre-order from borders or barnes and noble. the reason i pre-order mine from b.n i just wanted to check to see if you made a mistake. thanks have a nice day.

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

Can't wait for Blu Titan to come back into this thread... things are getting far to personnel between a few posters.

I can understand the passion, but personal insults are not allowed. Lets all try to remain civil in what is a very interesting discussion.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Funkyfish

There’s only one real winner in this whole thing and that's the quality of the review offered by our own in-house reviewer Ken Brown.

Ken offered nothing but the facts and backed it up with plenty of evidence, leaving the consumer to make an informed choice whether to purchase or not.
This review kicks into touch Bill Hunt’s vague infomercial style attempt & Robert Harris’s ramblings backed up with only an amateur photo taken with a digital camera.

Ken’s done it before (see Video Quality paragraph) – am I feel confident he’ll do it again -
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Ameri.../16759/#Review

Whilst others have failed….miserably, even those of more notoriety than Ken –
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/foru...iti-in-blu-ray

How do I know this? Math (algorithms) are ‘pure’ science. And sometimes screenshots are actually good for illustrative purposes of some things –
https://forum.blu-ray.com/insider-di...ml#post4847675

P.S.
Funky, I love your avatar .

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Thanks for the review, Ken.

Has anyone here pre-ordered this at a lower price than $63.99, which is what I will have to pay? I'm completely satisfied with that price.

[PGW]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

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In your opinion you can like the look/feel of one more than the other; but that doesn't make it correct.

Um... No.

Snow isn't green.
The sky isn't green.
Whites aren't green.

That's not a matter of opinion. If you don't believe me, walk outside and look at the sky. Remember what snow looks like. Look at something white and... golly, it'll look white (which means NOT green).

The colors on the blu-ray are WRONG. If nothing else, the fact that film #1 has a green tint to it and the other two DON'T should tell you THAT much.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Icedburden

Did you pre-order yours with the 50% off too?

Yes.

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

Thanks for the review, Ken.

Has anyone here pre-ordered this at a lower price than $63.99, which is what I will have to pay? I'm completely satisfied with that price.

I have a pre-order with BN.com for $41.99 (and free expedited shipping). Just finished checking and it is still in place (hopefully that helps steelers1 out a bit).

[CGHULK]

Here's a comparison of the Hobbit video blog footage to the blu-ray footage.


The Blu-ray screenshot is greener.

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by PGW

Um... No.

Snow isn't green.
The sky isn't green.
Whites aren't green.

That's not a matter of opinion. If you don't believe me, walk outside and look at the sky. Remember what snow looks like. Look at something white and... golly, it'll look white (which means NOT green).

The colors on the blu-ray are WRONG. If nothing else, the fact that film #1 has a green tint to it and the other two DON'T should tell you THAT much.

Really, so your trying to tell me that the vision of the director is wrong and that your vision is correct?

Also, Snow isn't actually always white. Coming from someone who lives where we typically have snow on the ground for 7 months a year, it takes on a whole lot of different shades. I've seen it on many occasions be very, very close to what is seen in the screenshots in the various reviews out now.

Also, the sky isn't always a crystal sky blue either. It changes based upon the time of day, the season and the weather.

Edit: Again, disagree with the color choices all you want, but I cannot believe that some of you are continually trying to say that you know better than the director in regards the the color choices he wanted to make.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by pgw

um... No.

Snow isn't green.
The sky isn't green.
Whites aren't green.

That's not a matter of opinion. If you don't believe me, walk outside and look at the sky. Remember what snow looks like. Look at something white and... Golly, it'll look white (which means not green).

The colors on the blu-ray are wrong. If nothing else, the fact that film #1 has a green tint to it and the other two don't should tell you that much.

The sky isn't green! Jesus Christ!

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by PGW

Um... No.

Snow isn't green.
The sky isn't green.
Whites aren't green.

That's not a matter of opinion. If you don't believe me, walk outside and look at the sky. Remember what snow looks like. Look at something white and... golly, it'll look white (which means NOT green).

The colors on the blu-ray are WRONG. If nothing else, the fact that film #1 has a green tint to it and the other two DON'T should tell you THAT much.

Watch the movie Minority Report. It has a very unique color palette, too.
In which those colors didn't match what was in the real world either.
Those colors by YOUR DEFINITION are wrong too.

Yet I don't seem to recall ANYONE making the argument you are making here.

Movies do not and HAVE not always had a color scheme that matches what we see in the real world.

Plenty of films do this and yet I dont see you screaming in those cases.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

The colors in Lothlorien are wrong in the TE too. Cate Blanchett doesn't really have an outline of white around her.

[MEB]

Originally Posted by The Duke

I think Ken's review is the Mother of all Reviews, one of the best I've ever read. For me it wasn't whether he was critical or a fan of the color change, it was that he explained & detailed the results in great detail, unlike Mr. Hunt.

It is safe to say that Ken's review is one review to rule them all!

Mark

[Rudeboy2025]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

The colors in Lothlorien are wrong in the TE too. Cate Blanchett doesn't really have an outline of white around her.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

Really, so your trying to tell me that the vision of the director is wrong and that your vision is correct?

Also, Snow isn't actually always white. Coming from someone who lives where we typically have snow on the ground for 7 months a year, it takes on a whole lot of different shades. I've seen it on many occasions be very, very close to what is seen in the screenshots in the various reviews out now.

Also, the sky isn't always a crystal sky blue either. It changes based upon the time of day, the season and the weather.

Edit: Again, disagree with the color choices all you want, but I cannot believe that some of you are continually trying to say that you know better than the director in regards the the color choices he wanted to make.

The complaint isn't that the snow doesn't look like it would look like in your back yard, it's that it doesn't look like it originally looked. In the original it did have a crisp white appearance, that's no longer true. The new green tint is overbearing in these scenes and changes it drastically compared to how it was originally presented. The fact that a neutral white transition screen is now green is indicative of how greatly the grading has been altered from how it was originally.

The color timing has been changed, and changed very drastically, from the original theatrical presentation. If this is how the color timing always was there wouldn't be any complaints about it.

The original had very carefully planned color biases depending on the specific scene, mood, and location. Watch the entire color featurette linked earlier in this thread that explains it perfectly. This color timing has been greatly altered.

Here it is, linked in this post:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-mo...ml#post4848629


By the way, excellent review Ken.