The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by MEB

I have already started a new topic in the discussion area of Jackson's Facebook page. There were others there already discussing it.

Mark

Thanks Mark, I just found it.

[PGW]

Originally Posted by Inspector Toschi

Which is why I can't wait to actually get the discs and watch through them myself.

Inspector... A lot of people don't want to spend $80 on a set just to find one of the movies unwatchable.

[HeavyHitter]

Bill Hunt's latest comments at HTF:

"Just read the Blu-ray.com review and I think he's done a good job addressing all the issues, including the color controversy. One thing I can add is that I now know that cinematographer reviewed and approved check discs for the set - not just the initial masters. So everything I've seen and heard continues to lead me to believe that the color timing of the new discs is exactly how the filmmakers wanted it. Once the authoring/mastering process has reached the stage of approved check discs, there's much less that can go wrong that would alter the picture prior to replication of final discs."

[42041]

Disappointing if true. Hopefully PJ has something to say about the green tint specifically.

[Red Pill 101]

Originally Posted by frogmort

Thanks Mark, I just found it.

You two are killing me!!

As if I'm not addicted enough to this thread, now I have the Facebook page to check.

I've been following this very closely. Reading more than posting, though. I read a post from Retablo and believe the change is intentional. Then I read another from someone that has seen the screening and it's the opposite.

We need confirmation that this was the intention. I'm not saying anyone's right or wrong. I just want to hear it from the source.

MEB and Frogmort: Your FB posts are very politely and professionally worded--good job.

[AintNoSin]

Well, the screenshots from the blu-ray.com FOTR review look fine to me. I'm perfectly content with my pre-order. I think I'll unsubscribe to this thread so I don't have to hear any more caterwauling from the "green tint mob."

"Boo hoo, a random stranger on the street said I only had a year to live."

"But your doctor says you're fine."

"What does he know?"

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Red Pill 101

We need confirmation that this was the intention. I'm not saying anyone's right or wrong. I just want to hear it from the source.

Why? Is it going to change anyone's opinion if it comes from Jackson or not? Nope! Those that hate it are still going to hate on it. It's what he wants so we all just need to accept it. If we have to accept GL the artist then we have to accept PJ.

[DaViD Boulet]

Bill Hunt Confirms that the BD picture (not just the original DI master) are approved by Jackson and reflect his intentions:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/foru...0#post_3823134

Just read the Blu-ray.com review and I think he's done a good job addressing all the issues, including the color controversy. One thing I can add is that I now know that cinematographer reviewed and approved check discs for the set - not just the initial masters. So everything I've seen and heard continues to lead me to believe that the color timing of the new discs is exactly how the filmmakers wanted it. Once the authoring/mastering process has reached the stage of approved check discs, there's much less that can go wrong that would alter the picture prior to replication of final discs.



One other point worth making here, is that most of the screenshot comparisons I've seen involve the Extended Edition Blu-rays and the Theatrical Edition Blu-rays. But the color timing has always been slightly different between those two versions of the film. I'd like to see more comparisons of the Extended Edition Blu-rays and the prevoius Extended Edition DVDs - that would, I'd think, be a better measure of what changes to the color timing may have been made or not.

FYI that color-timing can't be altered after the process point of the check-disc, because that contains the authored file that goes on the final production BD.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by 42041

Disappointing if true. Hopefully PJ has something to say about the green tint specifically.

Why is it disappointing? Because it does not fly with the idea that the color tint is an error? If not, I would love to know why?

I find it pretty interesting that a whole group of "purists" can have a reason to believe that there was an error of some sort, yet it is incredibly difficult to even begin to assume that the theatrical presentation - which in no way was identical for all of the "purists" posting in this thread - might have been off to begin with (which was, as the revisionist statements documented in the interview over at The Bits indicate).

Some balance in the comments is desperately needed here.

Pro-B

[42041]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

Why is it disappointing? Because it does not fly with the idea that the color tint is an error? If not, I would love to know why?

Because I think it looks ugly? I'm all for filmmaker intent; I'm also free to make my own subjective judgements about how films are shot and color graded.

[Red Pill 101]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

Why? Is it going to change anyone's opinion if it comes from Jackson or not? Nope! Those that hate it are still going to hate on it. It's what he wants so we all just need to accept it. If we have to accept GL the artist then we have to accept PJ.

I'm not concerned if it changes anyone's opinion or not. I'm quite happy with what I have seen so far and look forward to the set.

I need to know that I will be watching the Fellowship as it was meant to be seen. In my opinion, my agreement/approval to the final product is irrelevant. I just want to ensure I'm viewing how Mr. Jackson intends.

[DaViD Boulet]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

It's the original color timing.

It doesn't really matter what I like better, if I could rewind time there are several minor things about the trilogy I'd probably change. I'm not making a personal fan edit version though, that's the difference.

The point is the movies as they were originally shown had a huge impact on the viewers that watched them and on film history - to me it makes the most sense to preserve the movies as they were originally presented in the highest quality possible.

I personally don't like the green tint, in my opinion it completely throws off the "feel" of several areas. How I feel personally is not the most important thing though, the fact that it's not the original color timing is. The scenes that were created with the original color timing in mind now have a completely different feel to them. Many scenes that were specificaly created to look and feel "warm" are no longer warm... the list goes on and on. If you prefer this I'm happy for you, unfortunately it doesn't work the same for me.

One thing to consider is that just as the EE version differs from the theatrical via new and altered scenes, mood-changes via color-shift are an equally valid way that the director may choose to modify the film for the EE experience.

Another point that folks may realize once they have these discs in hand is that color-alterations that look "dramatic" when doing a back and forth A/B comparison will appear much more subtle, and in some cases not noticeable, when viewed in context of the running film.

Hopefully, these color changes won't appear jarring or at the very least won't be bothersome when the movie is in play.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by 42041

Because I think it looks ugly? I'm all for filmmaker intent; I'm also free to make my own subjective judgements about how films are shot and color graded.

Whether you think the new color grading is ugly or not is absolutely irrelevant.

And yes, you are free to make your subjective judgments - and when you share them people are free to point out that your judgments are off. In other words, the only authority on the subject is the director, and if, his intention is respected by the release, which the information that is circulated at the moment indicates that it has been, there really isn't an issue - regardless of how much you and a few other people have been insinuating that there might have been/has been.

Pro-B

[MEB]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

Why? Is it going to change anyone's opinion if it comes from Jackson or not? Nope! Those that hate it are still going to hate on it. It's what he wants so we all just need to accept it. If we have to accept GL the artist then we have to accept PJ.

If Jackson did NOT approve the puke-teal color shift, it greatly improves the odds that the Blu-rays will be redone. That is why it is important to know for certain whether it is a screw up or not.

And, based on some of the reports from folks that saw it in the theater on Tuesday night, there is some basis for the belief that the puke-teal color shift on the Blu-rays IS a screw up.

Mark

[retablo]

Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

Bill Hunt Confirms that the BD picture (not just the original DI master) are approved by Jackson and reflect his intentions:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/foru...0#post_3823134



FYI that color-timing can't be altered after the process point of the check-disc, because that contains the authored file that goes on the final production BD.

Awesome! These look great, per the director's wishes.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by MEB

If Jackson did NOT approve the puke-teal color shift, it greatly improves the odds that the Blu-rays will be redone. That is why it is important to know for certain whether it is a screw up or not.

And, based on some of the reports from folks that saw it in the theater on Tuesday night, there is some basis for the belief that the puke-teal color shift on the Blu-rays IS a screw up.

Mark

No, Mark Booth, there is no such basis. The official info that has been shared thus far points that there is a solid basis for a lot more than speculations that the Blu-ray does indeed respect Mr.Jackson's intent.

Pro-B

[Matt_Stevens]

I am certain the studio would admit when they were wrong and issue a full recall, costing them millions.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

It's the original color timing.

It doesn't really matter what I like better, if I could rewind time there are several minor things about the trilogy I'd probably change. I'm not making a personal fan edit version though, that's the difference.

The point is the movies as they were originally shown had a huge impact on the viewers that watched them and on film history - to me it makes the most sense to preserve the movies as they were originally presented in the highest quality possible.

I personally don't like the green tint, in my opinion it completely throws off the "feel" of several areas. How I feel personally is not the most important thing though, the fact that it's not the original color timing is. The scenes that were created with the original color timing in mind now have a completely different feel to them. Many scenes that were specificaly created to look and feel "warm" are no longer warm... the list goes on and on. If you prefer this I'm happy for you, unfortunately it doesn't work the same for me.

Well said and agree completely.

[MEB]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

No, Mark Booth, there is no such basis. The official info that has been shared thus far points that there is a solid basis for a lot more than speculations that the Blu-ray does indeed respect Mr.Jackson's intent.

If it's all the same to you, and considering the source you are relying on, I'll wait until I hear that directly from Peter Jackson.

Mark

[blu2]

Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

Bill Hunt Confirms that the BD picture (not just the original DI master) are approved by Jackson and reflect his intentions:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/foru...0#post_3823134



FYI that color-timing can't be altered after the process point of the check-disc, because that contains the authored file that goes on the final production BD.

Bill Hunt said nothing about Jackson approving the BD picture.