The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

If the screenshots for a replacement show improvements, (meaning that I think it looks better) I'll replace it. I won't just replace the discs because that option is available.

If it had the exact same detail but no green tint: would you replace it?

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

If it had the exact same detail but no green tint: would you replace it?

It's cyan, but no, I wouldn't.

[Wayfarer]

The green tint isn't applied to the entire transfer, which I'd assume it would be be if it were some sort of technical screw-up. For instance:

Theatrical: http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f1.jpg
Extended: http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f2.jpg

The extended shot has much greater fine detail, and more natural skin tone compared to the theatrical blu-ray. No green tint that I can see.

Another example without the tint:

Theatrical: http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f13.jpg
Extended: http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f14.jpg

It seems like the green tint has been applied to specific scenes, which implies that it was done on purpose.

[YodasFootPowder]

I just don't get why you'd only do it to the one movie. I read the review and noted that the reveiwer said it could have something to do with the new Hobbit movie, I wasn't really reading that closely. Secondly, whether Jackson wanted to do it or not, why would you do something that would clearly cause such a huge backlash, which this likely will and probably result in a great loss in potential sales? And lastly, it sucks that he intended to do this, cause that likely means that's the way the studio is gonna make us take it, not ever offering a re-issue.

I guess I can live with it, since it's just the one movie, but still annoying. Seems like a George Lucas thing to do, act retarded and totally change the way a movie was originally released.

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

It's cyan, but no, I wouldn't.

It's not cyan. Some things appear cyan because of the green overlapping with the blue.

What do you think the green adds to the picture that you think makes it look good?

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by Wayfarer

The green tint isn't applied to the entire transfer, which I'd assume it would be be if it were some sort of technical screw-up. For instance:

Theatrical: http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f1.jpg
Extended: http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f2.jpg

The extended shot has much greater fine detail, and more natural skin tone compared to the theatrical blu-ray. No green tint that I can see.

Another example without the tint:

Theatrical: http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f13.jpg
Extended: http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f14.jpg



It seems like the green tint has been applied to specific scenes, which implies that it was done on purpose.

No it's always present and at the same level. It's just that in some shots it's not as evident.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Wayfarer

The green tint isn't applied to the entire transfer, which I'd assume it would be be if it were some sort of technical screw-up. For instance:

Theatrical: http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f1.jpg
Extended: http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f2.jpg

The extended shot has much greater fine detail, and more natural skin tone compared to the theatrical blu-ray. No green tint that I can see.

Another example without the tint:

Theatrical: http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f13.jpg
Extended: http://blubrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/f14.jpg

It seems like the green tint has been applied to specific scenes, which implies that it was done on purpose.

Yeah, especially on that 2nd screencap, no one complains that the theatrical is SUPER red and looks unrealistic, and the sky in much of the theatrical edition looks pinkish instead of blue. I smell a few hypocrites.

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by retablo

Yeah, especially on that 2nd screencap, no one complains that the theatrical is SUPER red and looks unrealistic, and the sky in much of the theatrical edition looks pinkish instead of blue. I smell a few hypocrites.

What scene are you referring to?

[Wayfarer]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

No it's always present and at the same level. It's just that in some shots it's not as evident.

I don't know, there are plenty of lighter areas in the Council of Elrond shot that should show green in the highlights, like skintones, and everyone's light hair (Legolas, and the old guy furthest right). Which makes me think the tint isn't there.

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by Wayfarer

I don't know, there are plenty of lighter areas in the Council of Elrond shot that should show green in the highlights, like skintones, and everyone's light hair (Legolas, and the old guy furthest right). Which makes me think the tint isn't there.

It's there but it's light. In scenes with sky, you can see it most and in scenes with snow of course.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

What scene are you referring to?

The whole theatrical edition had a heavy red push, giving everything a pink tint. It's obvious.

The other 2 films do not have a pink tint. Therefore, this new color matches more with the other 2 films.

[Petyr_Baelish]

Take a look at 487376s or whatever his name is, fixed images. Each one of them removes the excess green and it becomes evident that it is always there. The images suddenly look normal again.

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by retablo

The whole theatrical edition had a heavy red push, giving everything a pink tint. It's obvious.

The other 2 films do not have a pink tint. Therefore, this new color matches more with the other 2 films.

I want to see some pics cause I don't know what you are talking about.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

It's not cyan. Some things appear cyan because of the green overlapping with the blue.

What do you think the green adds to the picture that you think makes it look good?

It's difficult to explain. It's just aesthetically pleasing to me. I like the screens where the snow isn't exactly white. It isn't realistic and I don't care. Why? Middle Earth is fantastical, and I think the color changes reflect that. It's more aesthetically pleasing to me.

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

It's difficult to explain. It's just aesthetically pleasing to me. I like the screens where the snow isn't exactly white. It isn't realistic and I don't care. Why? Middle Earth is fantastical, and I think the color changes reflect that. It's more aesthetically pleasing to me.

The coloring before reflected that more than this new version.

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

The coloring before reflected that more than this new version.

In your opinion. Which you seem to be thinking is the only possible one a person could have.

[MEB]

The theatrical edition of the FOTR Blu-ray does have a magenta push. But it's not anywhere near as strong of a push as the teal push found on the extended edition Blu-ray. At least, not to my eyes. I find the teal push to be much more objectionable.

Here's a good screen capture for comparing the two tints. In my opinion the magenta push of the TE makes Saruman's clothing look more of a "dirty" white rather than outright magenta. The teal push of the EE, however, makes not only his clothing look greenish but also his hair and his beard. Bleh!




BTW, I do not excuse the magenta push of the theatrical Blu-ray. I'd prefer that over the teal push but what SHOULD have been done is give us the look of the extended edition DVDs. They contain neither a magenta or a teal push.

Mark

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by retablo

The whole theatrical edition had a heavy red push, giving everything a pink tint. It's obvious.

The other 2 films do not have a pink tint. Therefore, this new color matches more with the other 2 films.

No, certain scenes had certain color biases depending on what exactly Peter Jackson wanted to convey. Rivendell does have a red bias, just as many scenes with Sauromon had a chilly blue bias, etc. Watch the featurette, it explains it all.

The difference is the new color grading has a consistent green/teal tint throughout the entire presentation. Scenes that were meant to feel very warm intentionally no longer do (like that Rivendell shot you posted.) That Rivendell shot you posted had that color timing, the original color timing, intentionally. It's not meant to be realistic, it was meant to feel warm and comfortable. It no longer does, the green bias negates this effect completely. Again, people aren't asking for perfect "realism," they're asking for fidelity to the original color timing. You take for granted the effect carefully executed color grading has on the feel of a fantasy film like this. No one wants it to be true to life throughout - that would look flat and bizarre. The original color timing was implemented to impart a mood, changing it can have as drastic effect on the feel of a scene as changing the soundtrack.

Watch the featurette.

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by retablo

That's because Gladiator was an inferior transfer. Nothing about FOTR is inferior, especially is it is approved by the cinematographer and presumably the director. All the complaining in the world won't get you the original releases of Star Wars either... so its pretty silly at this point. If there is a legitimate REASON to complain, like the DNR in Patton, Gangs of NY or Gladiator that was NOT approved by the filmmakers, then yes. But not in this case.

Of course we can complain, just because a VERY noticable change in a color pallate doesn't fit the bill for you, doesn't mean it's any less of a thing for others. Funny thing, now that we have a more detailed image, is Warner going to fess up and state that only a year ago they gave us a substandard TE Blu-ray? They screwed that up and here we see another BLATENTLY CLEAR mess. Sure, we have detail THIS time around, but with color timing that came from a kindergardener using a green highlighter marker.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

I want to see some pics cause I don't know what you are talking about.

Of course you don't.

And I don't need to show you pics, they are everywhere online. And the red push has been discussed in this thread as well.

If you're THAT lazy, so back to the 2 screencaps I mentioned. Theatrical is WAY red. EE is natural looking.