Star Wars Wars the UOT Strikes Back and OTHER PEZ dispensers

[phatrat1982]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

Please explain the "We Win" attitude. Thats all I am hearing from a handful of posters...again you are getting the version you prefer, why do you care if he releases the UOT or not.

ok let me explain economics to you,if George was to put both versions of the film out he would have to charge more money for doing so because it will cost more to restore the originals. It is about money for one. Where I am on a really tight budget I am already going to have to make room for this already expensive product as it is I would not want to have to pay any more for it.



Then there is the artistic integrity, the man said this is how he wants the movies remembered so to me it is about respecting the creators wishes. If Lucas said he felt he made a mistake and wanted to undo the special edition changes and release the films that way ok he gets his wish.


The other reason why I personally care is because the old versions are inconsistent with the new versions and having two sets out there is going to be confusing to some people and a blow to the wallet for others, like myself although I prefer the SE because to me more Star Wars is better than less Star Wars, I would still buy the other versions if they were out there. Again it goes back to money there.


Now if he does not release the old versions and you don't buy it fine by me I will but if he does release it to please you I have to pay more for it and not fine by me. Get it? Also times change man stop holding on to the past it just makes you guys look like grumpy old men who can't stand change.


I had other reasons but that will do for now.

Also you lost all credibility with the first five words and one date.

What credibility I am a fan on an internet forum just like you neither of us has any credibility here we just have different opinions and um I said I wasn't there so you really can't blame me for not knowing about stuff that happened before I was born, obviously all I have to go by in 1, what I read about online, and 2, the rants of senile old fogies on internet forums who if you read their rants you always find discrepancies so from MY point of view you guys do remember wrong a lot. And what date did I get wrong Star Wars was released in '77 so um maybe you are senile.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by phatrat1982

ok let me explain economics to you,if George was to put both versions of the film out he would have to charge more money for doing so because it will cost more to restore the originals. It is about money for one. Where I am on a really tight budget I am already going to have to make room for this already expensive product as it is I would not want to have to pay any more for it.

It is not your money but George's to restore. As for the price point I am not buying that argument. If George wanted to sell this Current Complete Saga for 150.00 bucks everyone would still be all over it. Lastly, a full restoration of the original three films would be a drop in the bucket to this guy and would make his money back overnight on it.

Then there is the artistic integrity, the man said this is how he wants the movies remembered so to me it is about respecting the creators wishes. If Lucas said he felt he made a mistake and wanted to undo the special edition changes and release the films that way ok he gets his wish.

Improvement and revisionism two different things. To change something that stood for 20 years and not offer the original flim alongside any changed version is historical revisionism. Historical revisionism with regards to anything is a very scary thing and should be avoided at all costs.

The other reason why I personally care is because the old versions are inconsistent with the new versions and having two sets out there is going to be confusing to some people and a blow to the wallet for others, like myself although I prefer the SE because to me more Star Wars is better than less Star Wars, I would still buy the other versions if they were out there. Again it goes back to money there.

Does not matter as they would be seperate releases and/or in the same boxed set marked as such.

Now if he does not release the old versions and you don't buy it fine by me I will but if he does release it to please you I have to pay more for it and not fine by me. Get it? Also times change man stop holding on to the past it just makes you guys look like grumpy old men who can't stand change.

Changing times has nothing to do with this conversation.

I had other reasons but that will do for now.



What credibility I am a fan on an internet forum just like you neither of us has any credibility here we just have different opinions and um I said I wasn't there so you really can't blame me for not knowing about stuff that happened before I was born, obviously all I have to go by in 1, what I read about online, and 2, the rants of senile old fogies on internet forums who if you read their rants you always find discrepancies so from MY point of view you guys do remember wrong a lot. And what date did I get wrong Star Wars was released in '77 so um maybe you are senile.

Yes we are old fogies

IMHO your reasoning for not wanting the UOT released for a large portion of the SW fan base is not a sound one especially in light of the "We Win" comment made in another post.

[al cos.]

Originally Posted by phatrat1982

ok let me explain economics to you,if George was to put both versions of the film out he would have to charge more money for doing so because it will cost more to restore the originals.

Not necessarily, LEGEND and APOCALYPSE NOW cost the same as they would have with one version.

[LordCrumb]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

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You might want to revise this whole paragraph. Also you lost all credibility with the first five words and one date.

Yes I am old and senile I remember Han Shot First showing the audience what a cold blooded pirate he was. I remember not seeing a bad cgi jabba, I remember not hearing a stupid sounding kiwi accent coming from Boba Fett. I remember not seeing an extended Wampa scene that was not necessary, I remember a much better ending in Jedi that did not feature a no talent actor like HC. Yes my memory is fading now.....fading fast.

Bottom line: If you make changes such as these and do not offer the originals as well as the artists "newer" or in his case "current" vision then he is a revisionist and that is just wrong.

Just to stand up for the Kiwis here, it wasn't a 'stupid kiwi accent'.. it was a stupid Maori 'Tem Morrison' accent... the same accent he uses in all his films.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by KaiGusto

Just to stand up for the Kiwis here, it wasn't a 'stupid kiwi accent'.. it was a stupid Maori 'Tem Morrison' accent... the same accent he uses in all his films.

well whatever accent it is, its not the one that belongs on Boba Fett

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Lincoln6Echo

Lucas also changed "THX 1138", and yet we don't hear all the *****ing about that.

And if you really wanna go there, Spielberg changed E.T. with the whole Walkie-Talkie thing.

What gets me about all the Star Wars fanboys is the Han vs Greedo thing. I mean, does it really change the story that much? I mean, does it really? I mean, in the '04 version he changed it back to where they both shot nearly simultaneously. And judging than han had to take his blaster out of his holster first (before shooting), while Greedo already had his out and pointing at Han, I'd say that the whole issue of who shot first should be a wash. The fact that Han knew that he had to shoot'em to get out of there alive is enough to overllok a few microseconds of timing of who got off the shot first.

I hear ya on thx 1138 - but that film doesnt matter to most people.

The Han vs Greedo thing is an issue if only because Han was a scoundrel and very selfish when we first encounter him. His character arc in the films was dependent on him being like that early on. The Cantina scene is the first time we meet him so even though the shoot-first thing seems trivial, it does change his character somewhat. Plus, that aside - what the hell was gained from changing that scene? There was no effects upgrade or CGI enhancement. What was George up to? Making Han a "nicer" guy? That happens later in the series but hes not supposed to be "nice" early on!

[Ryan0503]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

People can bleat on and on about how they don't like the SW changes, and that's fine. What I don't dig is people using the 'it's historical' viewpoint, because I'd wager that many of the same people wouldn't piss on the theatrical versions of the LOTR movies if they were on fire.

No, the circumstances of the different versions aren't nowhere near the same, but it simply boils down to one group of fans disowning one set of record-breaking, Oscar-winning theatrical versions, and the other group of fans crying out for them.

When Lucas' cronies look out over the internets and see all the complaining and general bullshit about the theatrical versions of LOTR (e.g. hundreds of negative amazon reviews BEFORE the product even streeted) is it any wonder that the theatrical editions of Star Wars get such short shrift?

God bless the internets.

I think the biggest agrument isnt over rather the Theatricial or extended is better or SE vs UOT. The main point of the argument is that the Star Wars Complete Saga should include the UOT as well as the SE. Just like the LOTR set should have both. Blu-ray box sets will from now on be defined as pre and post Aliens. Granted I'm not a huge fan of the packaging but that is the defining example of how to do a complete collection. Had Star Wars and LOTR been released like that we could close one argument and focus more attention on the other ones!!

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by Ryan0503

I think the biggest agrument isnt over rather the Theatricial or extended is better or SE vs UOT. The main point of the argument is that the Star Wars Complete Saga should include the UOT as well as the SE. Just like the LOTR set should have both. Blu-ray box sets will from now on be defined as pre and post Aliens. Granted I'm not a huge fan of the packaging but that is the defining example of how to do a complete collection. Had Star Wars and LOTR been released like that we could close one argument and focus more attention on the other ones!!

Hmmm, the way I see it the complete saga box shouldn´t include the theatrical versions because only the completed movies make sense in that box. But I don´t want to get into this whole argumentation again cause it just goes round and round... the theatricals or OOT (outdated original trilogy) is not included in the set. period. This thread is about the set including the latest editions of the Complete Saga (1-6). I don´t know why the OOT keeps coming up.

The main group in this thread should be peope whose main connection to Star Wars is that they like these 6 movies the way they are, not people whose main connection to Star Wars is that they hate 3 of them and don´t like the other 3. I´m not going into a Avatar or Aliens thread constantly writing how I don´t like it.

[miniroll32]

A more appropriate question for this thread; What are the original Star Wars films? As far as i'm concerned, what a person considers to be the definitive/original/best is entirely a personal choice.

As someone else previously suggested, just try 'reforming' the original saga. It would be a near impossible task given how many different versions of the film exist. "Go back to the o-neg"? Nope - it was dismantled for the Special Editions. It amazes me how many people say, as if its ever so easy, "Just release the original films!!!!".

Have the 'original' films ever been released on a home format? How long did the films stay 'original' after their theatrical release?

How about a 'Blade Runner' style release with around 5-versions of the film? Try doing that to 3 films, plus the 3 P.T films...

[phatrat1982]

I am sorry but I have as much right to express my opinion as you do to express yours so just because I do express mine does not mean you can't express yours.



And the reason I said "we'win" had nothing to do with my feelings it had everything to do with your all being childish so I had to respond appropriatly. Because all it amounts to is a big fat baby fit that is getting old already that is the real reason I want them to never get released again because the babies need to grow up.



It's not like you don't have an option you have VHS, BETA, DVD, LD, you could even track down an old film print if it means that much to you. So the reason a lot of people don't get the cry baby attitude is it's not like the movies DON'T exist on home video it's just you all cry about how Lucas milks the movies then you cry he ain't milking it enough.

[Ryan0503]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Hmmm, the way I see it the complete saga box shouldn´t include the theatrical versions because only the completed movies make sense in that box. But I don´t want to get into this whole argumentation again cause it just goes round and round... the theatricals or OOT (outdated original trilogy) is not included in the set. period. This thread is about the set including the latest editions of the Complete Saga (1-6). I don´t know why the OOT keeps coming up.

The main group in this thread should be peope whose main connection to Star Wars is that they like these 6 movies the way they are, not people whose main connection to Star Wars is that they hate 3 of them and don´t like the other 3. I´m not going into a Avatar or Aliens thread constantly writing how I don´t like it.

I think you missed the point, a complete collection would include both versions of the films. (Just like a complete collection of LOTR, Alien, and Blade Runner should include both cuts and most do!) Hell I'd even like to see a collection that included the theatrical, 1997 SE, 2004 DVD, and the "finial cut" (unless the 2004 DVD is the final). I fell in love with the UOT on VHS and part of my personal Star War experiance has been watching how the films have changed. I'd like to own all 3 versions for my collection. Someone even mentioned an alternate cut to episode 4 which I would love to see!!! Again, 1-6 is the saga, the current versions of the OT is (as of now) the definative edition. However, I'd like for the complete collection to include the other cuts, without the UOT there would be no SE or PT.

PS. I never posted that I only liked 3 out of the 6 of the movies. If you are going to respond to me please respond to something that was actually said

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

People can bleat on and on about how they don't like the SW changes, and that's fine. What I don't dig is people using the 'it's historical' viewpoint, because I'd wager that many of the same people wouldn't piss on the theatrical versions of the LOTR movies if they were on fire.No, the circumstances of the different versions aren't nowhere near the same, but it simply boils down to one group of fans disowning one set of record-breaking, Oscar-winning theatrical versions, and the other group of fans crying out for them.

When Lucas' cronies look out over the internets and see all the complaining and general bullshit about the theatrical versions of LOTR (e.g. hundreds of negative amazon reviews BEFORE the product even streeted) is it any wonder that the theatrical editions of Star Wars get such short shrift?

God bless the internets.

Your assumption would be wrong.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by phatrat1982

It's not like you don't have an option you have VHS, BETA, DVD, LD, you could even track down an old film print if it means that much to you. So the reason a lot of people don't get the cry baby attitude is it's not like the movies DON'T exist on home video it's just you all cry about how Lucas milks the movies then you cry he ain't milking it enough.

This is just sad. Okay, I understand you being tired of the crying over the OT not being released on blu ray, I get that. However, telling videophiles (which is EVERYONE on this forum) that: "You can watch it on VHS, BETA, DVD and LD.." in the age of HD is borderline insulting.

I would imagine the crying would be at an all time low if the OT was released on blu ray, flaws and all. Just clean the picture/sound up to today's standards. Please don't give me any BS that updating the sound is altering the OT, because EVERY studio has done it for all their catalogue releases (i.e. Batman (1960s), The French Connection, Clockwork Orange, and even Gone with the FN Wind have 5.1 sound) and I don't want to hear how "Anamorphic wasn't around in the 1970s..." If Lucas simply did that, about 80% of the crying would be gone.

Anyway, I am looking forward to the blu release. Ordered my copy from deep discount for only 65 (which is about 11 bucks a movie...not bad!). They are running a deal and I think its worth checking out if you are preordering.

[HeavyHitter]

Well, at least Peter Jackson treats his fans well and with repect.

George Lucas treats his fans like sh*t.

To me, that is the biggest obvious difference when people compare the overall two trilogies and versions of films.

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by Ryan0503

I think you missed the point, a complete collection would include both versions of the films. Hell I'd even like to see a collection that included the theatrical, 1997 SE, 2004 DVD, and the "finial cut" (unless the 2004 DVD is the final). I fell in love with the UOT on VHS and part of my personal Star War experiance has been watching how the films have changed. I'd like to own all 3 versions for my collection. Someone even mentioned an alternate cut to episode 4 which I would love to see!!! Again, 1-6 is the saga, the current versions of the OT is (as of now) the definative edition. However, I'd like for the complete collection to include the other cuts, without the UOT there would be no SE or PT.

PS. I never posted that I only liked 3 out of the 6 of the movies. If you are going to respond to me please respond to something that was actually said

Oh, the thing about 3 out of 6 wasn´t directed at you... guess that came across wrong. To have the versions before the "definitive" version on DVD is more enough for me. I guess we disagree on that one. I didn´t like Blade Runner being released in multiple cuts, either. I sold them and just bought the "final cut". I´m a purist in that matter, I guess. Having multiple cuts equally side by side sort of waters down the overall impact and diminishes the directors intend, in my opinion. In the case of Star Wars they are not even different cuts but evolutionary stages of the same movie... differentiating mostly in image, audio and effect quality.

The point is... they are out on VHS, LD and also on DVD (anamorphic or not).
It´s not that they are erased from movie history or something people always say. I don´t see the point of going through the process of mastering them for Blu-Ray. It just makes no sense to me.

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Well, at least Peter Jackson treats his fans well and with repect.

George Lucas treats his fans like sh*t.

To me, that is the biggest obvious difference when people compare the overall two trilogies and versions of films.

Hahaha ... that´s why he rereleased the LOTR films over and over on DVD and does exactly the same on blu-ray only that they don´t even have the curtesy of putting the old specials on a blu-ray but actually selling fans exactly the same discs they already have again!

[adywan]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Hahaha ... that´s why he rereleased the LOTR films over and over on DVD and does exactly the same on blu-ray only that they don´t even have the curtesy of putting the old specials on a blu-ray but actually selling fans exactly the same discs they already have again!

You mean exactly the same thing George Lucas has been doing for years then?

Oh and nice little dig at my work. Did Mummy give you the idea to write that?

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Hahaha ... that´s why he rereleased the LOTR films over and over on DVD and does exactly the same on blu-ray only that they don´t even have the curtesy of putting the old specials on a blu-ray but actually selling fans exactly the same discs they already have again!

Anything anyone could want on Lord of the Rings is AVAILABLE on Blu-ray. Cannot say the same for Star Wars really - probably never will be either.

Aside from that, Lucas' attitude towards his fan is quite evident.

Much different from PJ.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Oh, the thing about 3 out of 6 wasn´t directed at you... guess that came across wrong. To have the versions before the "definitive" version on DVD is more enough for me. I guess we disagree on that one. I didn´t like Blade Runner being released in multiple cuts, either. I sold them and just bought the "final cut". I´m a purist in that matter, I guess. Having multiple cuts equally side by side sort of waters down the overall impact and diminishes the directors intend, in my opinion. In the case of Star Wars they are not even different cuts but evolutionary stages of the same movie... differentiating mostly in image, audio and effect quality.

The point is... they are out on VHS, LD and also on DVD (anamorphic or not).It´s not that they are erased from movie history or something people always say. I don´t see the point of going through the process of mastering them for Blu-Ray. It just makes no sense to me.

Negates having a widescreen TV then.....I can't believe you are actually defending this. Actually I can't believe you don't want him to release the UOT. I am still waiting for a good answer.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Hmmm, the way I see it the complete saga box shouldn´t include the theatrical versions because only the completed movies make sense in that box. But I don´t want to get into this whole argumentation again cause it just goes round and round... the theatricals or OOT (outdated original trilogy) is not included in the set. period. This thread is about the set including the latest editions of the Complete Saga (1-6). I don´t know why the OOT keeps coming up.

The main group in this thread should be peope whose main connection to Star Wars is that they like these 6 movies the way they are, not people whose main connection to Star Wars is that they hate 3 of them and don´t like the other 3. I´m not going into a Avatar or Aliens thread constantly writing how I don´t like it.

Is Jaws outdated? Is Rocky outdated? Is the Exorcist outdated? Come on now...