The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[goresnet]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

Liv Tyler, meh?

I think she is one of the most beautiful women alive.

Well, 2 out of 3 isn't bad. She's a woman, and she's alive. Just not my cup of tea!

[Croweyes1121]

HeKS - Interesting argument from someone who's yet to actually VIEW the discs. Why not head over to AVS where there are ALREADY reports from people who HAVE seen them saying that all of this has been blown way out of proportion and the film looks fantastic. And if AVS isn't a tough crowd to please, I'm not sure what to tell you and must digress. In any case, have fun posting here throughout the day to rebuke this and, presumably, other posts. I've got more pressing matters to attend to - like watching LOTR:EE on blu-ray. lol

[lkmg]

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[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by Croweyes1121

Why not head over to AVS where there are ALREADY reports from people who HAVE seen them saying that all of this has been blown way out of proportion and the film looks fantastic.

There are both positive and negative reports (from people who HAVE seen FOTR EE) over at AVS.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by HeKS

Your change to the analogy kinda loses the trail (why would better quality meat be super dry? Why would droves of new patrons flock to consume a burger with an overwhelming and unbalanced application of strong spices?), but it doesn't really matter cause we can switch back to the real state affairs here.

Pretty much everyone here who is complaining about the Green Tint is not insisting that FOTR needs to look precisely like it did upon the initial theatrical showings. The movies have been regraded since then, and the EE's even more so. More regrading was done with the TE blu-rays last year. With this in mind, it makes no sense whatsoever to claim that the current EE release is how PJ really wanted it and he's just been stuck with the original result from 2001 for the past decade. That's simply not true.


If you're going to tell me that PJ has clearly been itching to do a lazy about-face regarding his entire digital grading methodology for the past 10 years, but ONLY when it comes to FOTR, then I'm going to tell you that he's clearly been smoking some crack for that same amount of time.

HeKS

Higher quality lean (healthy) meat tends to be dry. One man's spicy is another man's well seasoned. We are dealing with opinion here.

I watched the documentary a while ago. The info in the regrading documentary and the statement from Digital Bits plus the Harris review is all I needed to make a purchase decision.

From Bill Hunt at the Digital Bits, yet again:

"a few of you may be aware that there's been some controversy regarding screenshots and the color timing of the new 2K-remastered presentation of Fellowship of the Ring. Our feeling here at The Bits is that it's been blown out of proportion, as things tend to be these days. However, just to be sure, we started a process a couple weeks ago (before we posted our review) to encourage Warner Home Video and Wingnut Films to investigate the matter to make sure that the discs streeting tomorrow truly and accurately represent the creative vision of director Peter Jackson and cinematographer Andrew Lesnie. That process has been on-going, involving Wingnut and the filmmakers, and it appears it's finally concluded. Here's the studio's official statement on the issue, as of this afternoon:
"Warner Bros Home Entertainment Group confirms that The Lord of the Rings The Motion Picture Trilogy Extended Edition Blu-ray accurately represents the intended look of each of the three features.
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring™ was remastered from the original digital production files in order to reproduce the full color imagery of the feature."

Try not to let your technical expertise get in the way of enjoying FOTR EE Blu-ray. If you can't, well, there are plenty of other burger joints out there.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Croweyes1121

HeKS - Interesting argument from someone who's yet to actually VIEW the discs. Why not head over to AVS where there are ALREADY reports from people who HAVE seen them saying that all of this has been blown way out of proportion and the film looks fantastic. And if AVS isn't a tough crowd to please, I'm not sure what to tell you and must digress. In any case, have fun posting here throughout the day to rebuke this and, presumably, other posts. I've got more pressing matters to attend to - like watching LOTR:EE on blu-ray. lol

You should read the thread over there before making such claims since you are wrong. There are positive, negative and mixed opinions from those who have viewed it. Opinions will be all over the map on this one which is the case now.

The real question though is how much better would this have looked without the ugly green tint? That will certainly be a thought for many of us as we watch Fellowship of the Green. Unfortunately it probably wont be until the next release when we find out which will get even more "revision" and loose the ugly blanket tint. That is my prediction and similar to how they got rid of the DNR for this release compared to the TE, the next release will solve the tint issue.

[mathieuhatt]

"(LATE UPDATE - 6/27/11 - 3:30 PM PDT)

All right... I'm sure this announcement is going to liven-up discussion around the Interwebs. As many of you are aware, Warner's new Blu-ray release of The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy - Extended Edition finally arrives in stores tomorrow. It's a damn fine box set, that we think you'll all enjoy (see our review here). Meanwhile, a few of you may be aware that there's been some controversy regarding screenshots and the color timing of the new 2K-remastered presentation of Fellowship of the Ring. Our feeling here at The Bits is that it's been blown out of proportion, as things tend to be these days. However, just to be sure, we started a process a couple weeks ago (before we posted our review) to encourage Warner Home Video and Wingnut Films to investigate the matter to make sure that the discs streeting tomorrow truly and accurately represent the creative vision of director Peter Jackson and cinematographer Andrew Lesnie. That process has been on-going, involving Wingnut and the filmmakers, and it appears it's finally concluded. Here's the studio's official statement on the issue, as of this afternoon:

"Warner Bros Home Entertainment Group confirms that The Lord of the Rings The Motion Picture Trilogy Extended Edition Blu-ray accurately represents the intended look of each of the three features.

The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring™ was remastered from the original digital production files in order to reproduce the full color imagery of the feature."

So there it is. We have little doubt that the controversy will continue in some quarters, and that those who are convinced there's a problem here will continue to feel that way. Nevertheless, we are told that the filmmakers have checked the discs and confirmed this is the intended look. We suspect that when the discs are actually in YOUR hands tomorrow, the vast majority of you will be very happy with them. We further suspect that many of those who've been following the controversy for the past couple of weeks will wonder what the fuss was about. It shall be interesting to see what the 'morrow brings. Much rejoicing (and a bit of talk about 'revisionism'), we predict.

By the way, one other note on Rings: For those of you who have been wondering if the downloadable Digital Copies versions of the films are the actual Extended Editions... they are. I've downloaded them myself to confirm. The quality is low compared to the Blu-rays, of course, but if you want the EEs available in more portable versions, you'll have them.

Stay tuned... "

source: the digitalbits.com

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

You should read the thread over there before making such claims since you are wrong. There are positive, negative and mixed opinions from those who have viewed it. Opinions will be all over the map on this one which is the case now.

The real question though is how much better would this have looked without the ugly green tint? That will certainly be a thought for many of us as we watch Fellowship of the Green. Unfortunately it probably wont be until the next release when we find out which will get even more "revision" and loose the ugly blanket tint. That is my prediction and similar to how they got rid of the DNR for this release compared to the TE, the next release will solve the tint issue.

Todd, respectfully, you keep referring to the 'Ugly' green tint. You're mind is made up before you should have an opinion. Watch the disk, then decide whether it's great, ok, or terrible.

All opinions are valid. After viewing the film. I don't care whether people like, hate or don't have a strong opinion about the remaster. What's important for me (and you no doubt) is whether you are satisfied with the experience when watching.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by karlosfunkster

Todd, respectfully, you keep referring to the 'Ugly' green tint. You're mind is made up before you should have an opinion. Watch the disk, then decide whether it's great, ok, or terrible.

All opinions are valid. After viewing the film. I don't care whether people like, hate or don't have a strong opinion about the remaster. What's important for me (and you no doubt) is whether you are satisfied with the experience when watching.

Like I said as good or bad as it may look, it will always be in the back of my mind "how much better would this have looked without the ugly green tint"?

I will give my opinion though as far as what we are actually given at this point in time after I check it out in my HT.

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Like I said as good or bad as it may look, it will always be in the back of my mind "how much better would this have looked without the ugly green tint"?

I will give my opinion though as far as what we are actually given at this point in time after I check it out in my HT.

I am interested to see if anyone who hated it before they saw it changes their opinion (not sure they will!).

[Cinemaddict]

Originally Posted by mredman

Actually many who has seen it at the theaters noticed the green tint there as well there are even some here on this forum that also says that and check this thread out it spells it out pretty clearly:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120737/...read/184169494

I went to see Fellowship in theaters two weeks ago (before I was aware of this controversy), and it was not there. Either people are seeing things, or projections looked different from theater to theater.

I would definitely have noticed. I did notice some changes: The Aragorn/Boromir conversation in Lothlorien was the most obvious change, and it was an improvement. But Saruman was definitely white, the snow was white, and of course the main title was white. With a few exceptions, it looked exactly like the DVD.

I paid $13 for a ticket and drove 90 minutes to see a movie I already owned on DVD. If it looked less than perfect, I was prepared to walk out and complain. But I had no complaints. Looked fantastic.

I am rarely satisfied with a projection in a theater. They almost always screw something up. Fellowship two weeks ago was a rare experience where everything was perfect. Same with TTT, and I expect the same from ROTK tonight.

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by Croweyes1121

HeKS - Interesting argument from someone who's yet to actually VIEW the discs. Why not head over to AVS where there are ALREADY reports from people who HAVE seen them saying that all of this has been blown way out of proportion and the film looks fantastic. And if AVS isn't a tough crowd to please, I'm not sure what to tell you and must digress. In any case, have fun posting here throughout the day to rebuke this and, presumably, other posts. I've got more pressing matters to attend to - like watching LOTR:EE on blu-ray. lol

As has been pointed out, opinions of those who have the discs in their possession vary greatly.

That said, while I don't have a copy of the actual blu-ray discs, I have good quality copies of these EE films that I got in order to check the quality of the transfers and examine this green tint issue before putting out the money for the set.

Now, you can try to say that HD rips of the discs aren't technically 100% exactly identical in every respect to the discs, and that may be true, but the differences are negligible in a case like this to the point of being essentially irrelevant. In every single case, the copy I have looks identical to the screen caps taken directly from the discs as featured in numerous reviews. As such, there is no reason whatsoever to think that there will be any significant change in color perception when watching the copy I have in motion versus watching the actual disc in motion. In both cases, precisely the same green tint and contrast issues are present. So, even if I haven't played the disc in my player, I have seen an extremely accurate representation of what this looks like in motion and it still bothers me a whole lot.

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by HeKS

As has been pointed out, opinions of those who have the discs in their possession vary greatly.

That said, while I don't have a copy of the actual blu-ray discs, I have good quality copies of these EE films that I got in order to check the quality of the transfers and examine this green tint issue before putting out the money for the set.

Now, you can try to say that HD rips of the discs aren't technically 100% exactly identical in every respect to the discs, and that may be true, but the differences are negligible in a case like this to the point of being essentially irrelevant. In every single case, the copy I have looks identical to the screen caps taken directly from the discs as featured in numerous reviews. As such, there is no reason whatsoever to think that there will be any significant change in color perception when watching the copy I have in motion versus watching the actual disc in motion. In both cases, precisely the same green tint and contrast issues are present. So, even if I haven't played the disc in my player, I have seen an extremely accurate representation of what this looks like in motion and it still bothers me a whole lot.

I would say, respectfully again, why speculate? Put it in the player and watch it in a darkened room. You may yet enjoy it.

[Atreyu]

After reading all these posts for over a week now, it seems to me, that most of the green tint backlash is coming from people who have not seen the new blu ray edition and are justing going by the screencaps. Ken Brown says that. yes, it is there, but several who have seen this version say it is hardly, if at all, noticable. So I think you should view this FOTR version first and then if you still see green snow and such you have a legitimate complaint.

[NYorker]

Could the statement from WB be any drier...? it mentions nothing that they checked anything. Looks like it was copied verbatim from the original EE blu ray PR document.

Oh, and I think I came up with an idea of what to do with the DVDs - use them as burger plates

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by karlosfunkster

I am interested to see if anyone who hated it before they saw it changes their opinion (not sure they will!).

I am one of those people who will have NO PROBLEM changing their opinion based on what they see.

I reserve the right to do a complete 180 if I decide that I don't like what I see.

But I am absolutely past debating people who haven't seen the discs yet.

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by karlosfunkster

I would say, respectfully again, why speculate? Put it in the player and watch it in a darkened room. You may yet enjoy it.

Originally Posted by Atreyu

After reading all these posts for over a week now, it seems to me, that most of the green tint backlash is coming from people who have not seen the new blu ray edition and are justing going by the screencaps. Ken Brown says that. yes, it is there, but several who have seen this version say it is hardly, if at all, noticable. So I think you should view this FOTR version first and then if you still see green snow and such you have a legitimate complaint.

To both of you I say, I don't think so highly of an approach that requires me to spend $70 to see if maybe the actual blu-ray disc will appear drastically different to me in motion than does the current HD rip I have of the film, which matches every screen cap taken directly from the disc perfectly in terms of both the green tint and contrast issues. If I buy the set to perform this test you recommend, which has no reasonable hope of showing me anything significantly different than I already have, and I'm still completely unhappy, are you going to give me a refund for my purchase? And will you do the same for all the others who you are suggesting should carry out this test?

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by HeKS

To both of you I say, I don't think so highly of an approach that requires me to spend $70 to see if maybe the actual blu-ray disc will appear drastically different to me in motion than does the current HD rip I have of the film, which matches every screen cap taken directly from the disc perfectly in terms of both the green tint and contrast issues. If I buy the set to perform this test you recommend, which has no reasonable hope of showing me anything significantly different than I already have, and I'm still completely unhappy, are you going to give me a refund for my purchase? And will you do the same for all the others who you are suggesting should carry out this test?

Heks, I understand your concern. Go and watch it with a friend (who may be far less objective) or rent.

Your final lines about refunds etc directed at me or anyone else are rather immature though - of course I won't. But the place you buy from will give you credit in most cases. (Unwanted Gift for example)

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by merrick97

I am one of those people who will have NO PROBLEM changing their opinion based on what they see.

I reserve the right to do a complete 180 if I decide that I don't like what I see.

But I am absolutely past debating people who haven't seen the discs yet.

Good for you.

[kingkong650]

Originally Posted by karlosfunkster

King Kong, I salute your efforts, and can understand why you have addressed a picture that you dislike. I edit music all the time (never film though) and love doing this - all my music ends up remasted/balanced and is effectively my own 'mix'. But it is that, my own version or mix.

This is what you've done though and however you look at it it is nothing more than that - (your preferred colour balance) it is neither definitive or correct. (Based on the info so far from Warner).

You've resolved the issue for you and I would be interested to watch your version - but it doesn't mean that your version is 'right'.

P.S. Would it be fair to say you've effectively white balanced the movie to make it appear more 'natural'? Thanks!

Thanks, I care a great deal about fellowship of the ring, its by far my favourite of the three, especially the extended edition that I consider to be an almost perfect film. Of all the extended editions, I believe it is the one that adds the most because everything fits in so seemlessly. I sadly can't say the same thing for TTT and especially ROTK, that have quite a few superfluous scenes that add very little and sometimes even detrimentaly affect the narrative IMO. That silly scene in ROTK with the corsairs and PJ being hit by mistake come to mind. I personally could have done without that scene, very cheesy.

I've basically used the fade to white before frodo wakes up in rivendell as a point of reference for white and regraded the entire film so that scene is white, thus removing the green tint. After that green tint is removed, some scenes are more 'natural' than they were in the theatrical, like Rivendell and Frodo and Galadriel in Lothlorien. In other scenes, like the reveal in Bag End of the One Ring when Frodo fist sees the lettering, the grading has been made stronger and the scene looks less 'natural'. From what I have seen, PJ has definately regraded FOTR for this extended edition blu-ray release. There are far too many individual changes in colour grading compared to the theatrical blu-ray to be otherwise IMO. They all look intentional to me, like he specifically decided to regrade the look of each scene again and it fits. The same constant green tint running throughout though simply does not. That why i'm so sure that its a mistake.

I'm aware that the theatrical blu-ray has a slight reddish/pink tint in that scene but i've personally found that the colour grading is so subtle at times that in some scenes, like Galadriel and Frodo in Lothlorien, by adding that extra tint, you throw the subtle blue grading off and galadriel's face looks pink rather than blue.

There are many other examples of this in the film where the grading is put off slightly by the reddish/pink tint, like Hobbiton at the beginning, especially in Bilbo's naration, that flesh tones start to look too red, so i've make a subjective decision to grade to white on the fade to white.

I could regrade each scene individually but then, apart from being very time consuming, I really would be making up my own colour grading, which isn't the point of the exercise. It's PJ's film, not mine. I honestly believe that the green tint was not his intent and the regrade i've done bares that out IMHO. I'm personally very happy with the results. I just wish you all could get replacements and enjoy the film as it should look as well.