The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[lemonski]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoon

Because of that kind of people, you can enjoy your movies in better and better quality. If nobody cared, you'd still be watching upconverted DVDs and old low resolution masters as BDs...

Oh please...talk about delusions of grandeur. The ironic thing is the people who aren't complaining are happily watching LOTR EE on Blu-Ray, and the nitpicking crackpots have only got the old low resolution DVDs. Enjoy! LOL!

[CrescentMoon]

Originally Posted by Troy73

Really?....I mean Really? That's like saying the reason there are airbags in cars is because people don't wear seat belts. The reality is technology advances and becomes better and better. The case in this thread is you have members who are upset because this transfer is not what they wanted it to be and they harshly critique it.

History proves it. Look at the second (much improved) release of Gladiator (though I don't like the movie). It exists just because people complained. And it's just one single example.
As for your seat belt example, there are theories that say that driving would be more safe if there was no safety equipment in cars, instead a large spike sticking out the center of the wheel. People would drive WAY MORE carefully

[CrescentMoon]

Originally Posted by lemonski

Oh please...talk about delusions of grandeur. The ironic thing is the people who aren't complaining are happily watching LOTR EE on Blu-Ray, and the nitpicking crackpots have only got the old low resolution DVDs. Enjoy! LOL!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming 'superiority' or anything silly like that. It's that there are people who would like to see their favorite movies in the best possible quality that the medium can provide. It's nothing more, really.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoon

History proves it. Look at the second (much improved) release of Gladiator (though I don't like the movie). It exists just because people complained. And it's just one single example.

No, it exists because critics and qualified experts brought the matter to the studio and DNR excessively applied destroys image quality and fine detail resolution. Don't make the mistake of thinking J6P cared about it and that's why it was corrected. However, the issue here is in no way the same as the Gladiator or even Predator UHE releases.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoon

It's that there are people who would like to see their favorite movies in the best possible quality that the medium can provide. It's nothing more, really.

Many would tell you that that is exactly what you have in this release, myself being one of them.

[Shemp]

What's the point in anyone emailing Warner? They've already officially confirmed that there's nothing wrong with FOTR. And as per the comments by Harry Knowles at AICN Jackson was made aware of it, had the matter looked into and confirmed there's nothing wrong and it's exactly how he wanted it.

[m_burlock]

Originally Posted by radagast

Instead of saying the same complaints here over and over, tell WB for heaven's sake.

I agree. Not that doing so will make any difference though.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by Farid

Replacement program for those of us who wish to have the theatrical color timing. And don't tell me you wouldn't exchange your discs if they made them available.

I wouldn't since I already own it. The "Theatrical color timing" is on my "Theatrical blu-ray Collection" and the" Extended Edition color timing" is on my "Extended Edition blu-ray Collection". So I'm all set, thanks anyway.

[Shemp]

Originally Posted by Farid

Replacement program for those of us who wish to have the theatrical color timing. And don't tell me you wouldn't exchange your discs if they made them available.

There isn't going to be one, and there never will be. Can you imagine Peter Jackson signing off on that? "Hey Peter, we have a minority of cranky folks emailing saying they don't like the colour changes on FOTR...you okay with us coming up with new discs ditching all the hard work you did?". I think not. And no I wouldn't. I'm happy with them the way they are.

[lemonski]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoon

Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming 'superiority' or anything silly like that. It's that there are people who would like to see their favorite movies in the best possible quality that the medium can provide. It's nothing more, really.

There's nothing wrong with that, but seeking perfection to the extent that you end up watching you favorite movies in low resolution is pretty sad. You're not really sticking it to the man, or being some champion of consumer rights...you're just missing out altogether.

[CrescentMoon]

Originally Posted by Troy73

No, it exists because critics and qualified experts brought the matter to the studio and DNR excessively applied destroys image quality and fine detail resolution. Don't make the mistake of thinking J6P cared about it and that's why it was corrected. However, the issue here is in no way the same as the Gladiator or even Predator UHE releases.

Critics and qualified experts are driven by the same principle as 'simple' enthusiasts, it's just they're in better position to voice their opinion to be heard.
Yes, the issue is not the same as Gladiator or Predator. But it depends where you draw the line. How much DNR is too much? How much more detail could you have? Some people, like myself, can't stand the sped up audio of PAL DVDs (and I can't help it), others won't even notice (I envy them). It all comes down to individual preference.
'DNR excessively applied destroys image quality and fine detail resolution' you wrote and I completely agree with you. But believe me, there are people who doesn't care. I believe the majority who bought the first Gladiator issue didn't.
I'm just trying to say that there are different people with different level of expectations.

[Toasterlad]

Originally Posted by radagast

For anyone who is dissatisfied with the look of the EE FOTR BD, go to here and tell WB:

http://www.warnerbros.com/main/help/...r_service.html

Instead of saying the same complaints here over and over, tell WB for heaven's sake.

Done. Thanks for the handy link.

[Karl Murks]

Originally Posted by Troy73

Gotta love it when the responses from certain members illustrate my point far better than I could have. Thank You Sir.

So? The entire complaint some people have is 'it's green!' You can discuss this for several hundred pages, it still boils down to that one simple sentence. Of course it goes in circles because the entire discussion is to make it clear to people having no problem with it is that others do in fact have a problem with it.

Originally Posted by lemonski

Oh please...talk about delusions of grandeur. The ironic thing is the people who aren't complaining are happily watching LOTR EE on Blu-Ray, and the nitpicking crackpots have only got the old low resolution DVDs. Enjoy! LOL!

Making fun of such things is rude. Just wait until you have a problem with some disc in the future where a large and loud majority does not care (or as here tries with almost insane passion to end the debate) and nothing happens. How would that feel?

Originally Posted by Shemp

What's the point in anyone emailing Warner? They've already officially confirmed that there's nothing wrong with FOTR. And as per the comments by Harry Knowles at AICN Jackson was made aware of it, had the matter looked into and confirmed there's nothing wrong and it's exactly how he wanted it.

Even then - and especially then, making it known that we think he screwed up is important. And I still want to know the reason behind this. Because it makes no sense to me. Also, we did not get anything directly from him, just a corporate statement and the purpose of those is always to protect the bottom line, not to inform.

Originally Posted by Troy73

I wouldn't since I already own it. The "Theatrical color timing" is on my "Theatrical blu-ray Collection" and the" Extended Edition color timing" is on my "Extended Edition blu-ray Collection". So I'm all set, thanks anyway.

There is no 'extended color timing' as you describe because the DVD looks different from both the theatrical release and the extended BluRay. What we want is the colors of the extended DVD which clearly are the best of the bunch. I don't care much about the theatrical version because its colors aren't that good either, albeit not as horrendous as the new BD.

Originally Posted by lemonski

There's nothing wrong with that, but seeking perfection to the extent that you end up watching you favorite movies in low resolution is pretty sad. You're not really sticking it to the man, or being some champion of consumer rights...you're just missing out altogether.

So is watching your favorite movie in a version that is completely botched. Which for some is what the green tint means. I found it ugly beyond all comprehension and there is no way I could ever enjoy watching it like that.

It's all relative and the opinion of those who don't mind the green tint means absolutely nothing to anyone who is bothered by it. Ignoring other people's issues by crying 'shut up' is never going to end a debate, it will only fuel the hostility that goes on.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Shemp

What's the point in anyone emailing Warner? They've already officially confirmed that there's nothing wrong with FOTR. And as per the comments by Harry Knowles at AICN Jackson was made aware of it, had the matter looked into and confirmed there's nothing wrong and it's exactly how he wanted it.

Because replacement discs have been made in the past even when the studio never said anything was wrong. If enough people complain, there's a better chance a better release will be made.

A better question is this: What's the point of filling up page after page of complaints HERE when it doesn't accomplish anything?

[air453]

I have to agree with those saying theirs does not have the tint. I work at post-production house in Virginia, and after reading online and seeing the screenshots, I was interested in checking this out at work.

As soon as the extended edition blurays arrived, I brought it in and we hooked it up to our brand-new 50" Panasonic 3D plasma. I watched the opening scenes with our main online editor, who does the bulk of our color correction.

We decided the easiest shot to judge would be the white titles that say "Fellowship of the Ring". We paused, stared at it, and sure enough, they were pure-white on our monitor, and looked absolutely nothing like the screengrabs we've seen of this same moment. Either someone is faking the screengrabs and creating a big fuss for fun, or the discs I received are different than what others are receiving.

I do agree that some shots have different color timing, as we've all heard was done and approved by Jackson and Lesnie, and so far it seems for the better. Some shots appear to have a more green emphasis in the blacks, while some actually seem warmer than they did before (Sauron exploding; which, by the way, partially from the detail and partially from the color, looks better than I've ever seen it).

Also, these films never had perfectly-balanced color in the originals anyway, as Jackson said in the "color grading" special feature that he wanted "nudge" the real landscapes of New Zealand a little more towards Middle-Earth and make it seem more fantasy and mythical.

Edit: This was a quick judgement based on about 15 minutes of watching during our lunchbreak. We only watched the prologue and opening titles in the office, comparing to the earliest screengrab where we thought the tint would be most apparent, the white titles of Fellowship. The titles appear to be white, but watching the rest of the film the overall color tint became very obvious. I apologize for the quick judgement.

[CinemaScope]

These films weren't made in the 40's, they're just a couple of years old, they should look stunning, STUNNING! People shouldn't be saying, oh it's not too bad, I can live with it, I can adjust my AV kit to get around it. And those who are complaining are not whinning knit-pickers, they're customers!

[CinemaScope]

Originally Posted by air453

Also, these films never had perfectly-balanced color in the originals anyway, as Jackson said in the "color grading" special feature that he wanted "nudge" the real landscapes of New Zealand a little more towards Middle-Earth and make it seem more fantasy and mythical.

Nudge = turn the colour down, is that the best he could think of. It's such a cliche these days. It's depressing how often that's done with new films.

[punisher]

Originally Posted by Farid

I have also sent an e-mail to Warner Bros

me too..
everyone should ,even those that like the tinted version..just to let them know they see a difference

[Cevolution]

Even if a replacement program does eventually come into place, these things take time, it's not just going to happen overnight, so even if it does happen it wouldn't become reality until around the time the Hobbit gets released anyway. If it happens then at least I (and everyone else who buys it now) will get a year and a half out of the fotr EE blu-ray and can also watch the EE's of the 2nd and 3rd films on blu-ray as well in the mean time, instead of wasting time waiting for something that might not happen at all. Who knows WB might even release them individually around the same time the hobbit is released and the colour timing in the 1st film might get changed back, if so I wouldn't even bother sending my fotr discs off and waiting for replacements to come in the mail as it can take months, I would just spend the measly $25 on the individual release to replace it. Though if it never happens then I'm satisfied enough with how it looks now.

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by CinemaScope

These films weren't made in the 40's, they're just a couple of years old, they should look stunning, STUNNING! People shouldn't be saying, oh it's not too bad, I can live with it, I can adjust my AV kit to get around it. And those who are complaining are not whinning knit-pickers, they're customers!

Originally Posted by radagast

Because replacement discs have been made in the past even when the studio never said anything was wrong. If enough people complain, there's a better chance a better release will be made.

This is exactly the point that I share with many of you on this forum. Studios will defend their product. Hell, look how much heaping evidence was presented to Toyota about their issues with their vehicles before they said there was a problem. A man went to prison for a number of months because his car's accelerator jammed at full speed and he crashed into another vehicle, causing a fatality. It wasn't until the controversy that his manslaughter conviction was overturned and he was exonerated.

Now, that is quite the drastic example and I wouldn't put LOTR into a life-effecting category, but I am making a point. Even something as truly important as the accelerator issue was originally said to not be a problem created by Toyota, according to their Public Relations, and that their vehicles operate perfectly fine. Then, it was something they were looking into. Then they found the issue and offered a replacement.

The point is, PR will always say there's no problem. So, no, having a PR statement that everything is as intended isn't always the "be all, end all" when it comes to A/V issues regarding releases.



People on both sides of this fence need to treat each other with a bit more respect. The name-calling and tearing down of people's opinions has to stop. I try to treat people here with respect and their opinions with respect, if I receive the same. I try not to repeat myself over and over with copy-and-paste replies, but to offer a different perspective if I feel that I can add something to the discussion. You may not agree with me, but that is what I am trying to do. I will not verbally slap someone down just because they don't agree with me. I will state my side of the discussion and will not lower myself to the petty tactics that some members here shamefully fall into.