The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

I didn't say I was a 50/50 split down the middle, otherwise why would I even bother trying to do anything about it? I'm not a moderator on CNN, I don't have any obligation to be 100% unbiased.

I do see both sides of the argument, I just don't agree with the extreme edges of the argument who flat-out deny the green tint is there, even though it's been proven countless times to exist. That simply isn't logical, regardless of any other factors. If we can prove the tint exists, yet nobody can submit any proof to the contrary, what am I left to work with?

One side of the argument: The green tint is objectionable and needs to be replaced.

Other side of the argument: The green tint isn't bad, it's the new color timing, doesn't affect my enjoyment.

I fully understand both of those arguments. I don't understand the "green tint doesn't even exist" arguments at all because frankly they have nothing to back them up whatsoever.

I wasn't implying that u are 50/50 split down the middle when it comes to your opinion, I was addressing statements made by u where u have said that u can see both point of views and respect everyone's opinions even if u don't agree, but I hardly call being patronizing to the people that do have a different opinion to u respecting their opinion, do u? If your answer is yes then imo you're a hypocrite for trying to pretent on this board that u are some kind of mediator for both sides.

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Give me a few minutes and I'll do that.

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[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by DaleDark

Wait, they aren't re-releasing Predater, and Patton?

Yes, they're remastering Patton. Just as they did with Gladiator.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Honestly, "a couple hundred bucks" would be a good deal for a pro calibration assuming the calibrator knew what he was doing. There is a reason why one costs substantially more than the other. One is a basic adjustment and one is a genuine calibration which requires additional tools and what you have done is the former. Your 20/20 vision means nothing when doing a proper real calibration since this requires additional equipment to get right.

You keep thinking that. There's always going to be people that will pay $500 for a meal or $125,000 for a car. I wouldn't do those things even if I could afford then and that includes "professional" calibration.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

I wasn't implying that u are 50/50 split down the middle when it comes to your opinion, I addressing statements made by u where u have said that u can see view both points of view and respect everyone's opinions even if u don't agree, but I hardly call being patronizing to the people that do have a different opinion to u respecting their opinion, do u? If your answer is yes then imo your a hypocrite for trying to pretent on this board that u are some kind of mediator for both sides.

I don't claim to be a mediator for both sides.

I want a disc exchange.

I also don't think that excludes me from being able to see the point of view of those that are happy with the movie as is and don't want a change.

Does that clear anything up?

Saying things about the "green version" is not patronizing. It IS a green version. That's not up for debate. The amount the green affects your enjoyment of it is what is up for debate.

Personally, I don't hate my green version... but I know it is a green version.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

I'm currently watching Towers and I like the colors there more than what's on the new master of Fellowship. Don't get me wrong, Fellowship looks marvelous on its own, but Towers looks much better, especially the scenes with Aragorn and Arwen and Elrond and Galadriel.

That is because there is not a blanket tint covering TT like FOTR has. Its not hard to imagine how much better Fellowship could look without the tint.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

That is because there is not a blanket tint covering TT like FOTR has. Its not hard to imagine how much better Fellowship could look without the tint.

Exactly! Sure, it's 'good enough' if that's all we can ever expect... but it could look that much better sans the green tint, so if there's hope of an exchange, why not do a little something about it? Not like it's some great sweeping crusade to send an e-message to WB or comment on a Facebook page. :P

[Sean72]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I have had a color test and that came back normal too. Anything else you want to try and debunk?

No, just that 20/20 vision means nothing when calibrating color. I believe you when you say you can see color just fine, but even the best set of eyes aren't as accurate as a grayscale meter when it comes to dialing in color.

By the way that Balrog cap you said you got from your Blu Ray, the 'white' area inside its mouth is a pale shade of green, measure the values yourself if you've got photoshop handy.

[vertigo12314]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Well, I come from a theater background, and on the stage, you use green lighting to make someone look either sick, undead, poisoned, or like Frankenstein's monster. There is a language to color - green is great for trees and nature, it is unnatural to human skin, hence the use of green for the conditions I just mentioned (on the stage). A three-hour movie that has been re-tinted a slight green from start to finish? And not just any movie, but perhaps, arguably the best home video release of all time (the LOTR EE of FOTR)? I understand the tint is supposed to be barely noticeable - almost subliminal - but is the audience supposed to receive a subliminal message that everyone in the movie is sick?

Ken stated that perhaps this is how Jackson wants the film to look now, versus how he wanted the film to look in 2001. Fair enough. But then there are all the other signs that point to this being a technical goof, with a filmmaker refusing to comment directly on the issue, and so I'm left at the end of the day with a choice...either the film is retimed in a way that is subliminally nauseating and that is how Jackson wants the film to look, or it is technically faulty...either way, I lose.

That's enough to make me pass on the title just on its face. Now, I don't even care. Maybe in a year, after all this has settled down and cooler heads are prevailing, I'll be able to reapproach it, but I'd rather spend the coin on some other titles for now. This embroglio has completely turned me off from purchasing the set. I know respected people have praised the set, but many of these same people also praised the SW DVDs from several years ago, with flopped surround tracks and blue-fuzz video noise around the Death Star explosion and pink lightsabres and the rest of that song. I'm lurking on the sidelines of this debate, I'm just saying the whole thing has completely turned me off from purchasing what was one of my most sought-after Blu-Ray home video titles. If Star Wars comes to Blu and the flopped surround tracks and all the other issues haven't been addressed, I'll pass on that as well.

The worst feeling any home video film collector has when looking at his or her collection (other than, 'God, did I really buy a Roland Emmerich film?') is that nagging longing...that feeling of, "If only", as in, this is ok, but if only the studio had cared more...if only the studio hadn't cut this or that...if only such or such had paid more attention and not approved it with lines of dialog missing...

I don't want to spend $70 on a Blu-Ray of LOTR just to place it on my shelf, look at it, and say to myself, "If only..."

And that's why I don't care about it anymore. I don't want the subliminal green tint version because I haven't heard Jackson himself address it, and I certainly don't trust PR statements from studios who can't even be trusted with reliable assertions of their weekend box office receipts, a studio Jackson himself had to sue because they lied about their actual profits from Fellowship.

So, I guess now maybe I can pick up that Watchmen: Ultimate Edition blu-ray that I've been wanting for over two years. Same studio as LOTR, but I haven't heard anyone complain Dr. Manhattan is slightly more turqouise this time out. I can't buy the EE on Blu under these circumstances. No "If only" on this set for me...I just can't do it. There's enough titles in my home video collection that bother me already, I don't need to add to the pile.

I feel your pain. The cyan in dark scenes is very noticable and often can look like cyan dust on peoples faces, eyeballs, and irises. It's like after some radioactive accident and the cast is contaminated. It's stupid if it's "artistically intentional". And this argument about badly calibrated displays are probably not true or else people would be seeing the same problem in many movies.

http://blubrew.com/2011/06/16/the-fe...ended-edition/

The comparisons in this link are what I'm seeing, except in motion it's comical. Even clothing stands out as radioactive and Boromir's shield takes on that look as well. Galadriels eyes are so dark olive GREEN now. Daylight scenes do fair better but I want all of it too look good.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Sean72

No, just that 20/20 vision means nothing when calibrating color. I believe you when you say you can see color just fine, but even the best set of eyes aren't as accurate as a grayscale meter when it comes to dialing in color.

By the way that Balrog cap you said you got from your Blu Ray, the 'white' area inside its mouth is a pale shade of green, measure the values yourself if you've got photoshop handy.

Pale shade of green? Now I know you're joking.

[HD Goofnut]

Okay folks I just took five screen caps straight off disc 1. Again it's not nearly as green as some others have led the masses believe

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[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

You keep thinking that. There's always going to be people that will pay $500 for a meal or $125,000 for a car. I wouldn't do those things even if I could afford then and that includes "professional" calibration.

Understood as I have not done one for similar reasons, but dont fool yourself. There is a significant difference from what I have seen between a basic adjustment which is what you and I have vs a true calibration. Until you see this for yourself though you are only speculating. Either way what you and I have are NOT calibrated displays so to keep touting this in your posts is simply not true.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Exactly! Sure, it's 'good enough' if that's all we can ever expect... but it could look that much better sans the green tint, so if there's hope of an exchange, why not do a little something about it? Not like it's some great sweeping crusade to send an e-message to WB or comment on a Facebook page. :P

I agree. It could and should look better than it does.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by Sean72

By the way that Balrog cap you said you got from your Blu Ray, the 'white' area inside its mouth is a pale shade of green, measure the values yourself if you've got photoshop handy.

You are absolutely right. It is a pale shade of green. I checked.

Pale shade of green? Now I know you're joking.

The evidence disagrees with you.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Okay folks I just took five screen caps straight off disc 1. Again it's not nearly as green as some others have led the masses believe

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I don't know what to tell you man... I see the green there.

Especially the Saruman one, that one just seems completely counter to your side of the debate.

The Mines of Moria scenes, which is where I assume that Gandalf one is from, are the least offensive of the entire movie. That's not to say the tint isn't there, just that it is not perceptible as green.

People are discussing green as a color value in the RGB scheme of things, not necessarily that it TURNS everything green.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Understood as I have not done one for similar reasons, but dont fool yourself. There is a significant difference from what I have seen between a basic adjustment which is what you and I have vs a true calibration. Until you see this for yourself though you are only speculating. Either way what you and I have are NOT calibrated displays so to keep touting this in your posts is simply not true.

Label my displays whatever you want, semi-calibrated or whatever I don't really care. My point is that my display's settings are closer to what they are supposed to be than a large percentage of most people's displays.

[Underworld54]

How can this be an enjoyable hobby for people when they're constantly measuring colors from certain scenes and comparing screen caps? Seems like it would take the fun out if the hobby.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

I don't know what to tell you man... I see the green there.

Especially the Saruman one, that one just seems completely counter to your side of the debate.

The Mines of Moria scenes, which is where I assume that Gandalf one is from, are the least offensive of the entire movie. That's not to say the tint isn't there, just that it is not perceptible as green.

People are discussing green as a color value in the RGB scheme of things, not necessarily that it TURNS everything green.

That shot of Gandalf was one of the scenes in Bilbo's home.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

You are absolutely right. It is a pale shade of green. I checked.



The evidence disagrees with you.

Are you kidding me? Those two colors don't even remotely match.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Are you kidding me? Those two colors don't even remotely match.

He's using a computer program to match the color. He just copy/pasted the bit of your screengrab into an editor and measured the color value.

The computer program has no reason to mislead you, my friend.

This just further proves how subjective one's perception of color is. That's all.