The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[#Darren]

Ha ha I stopped reading the thread too as the repetition got ridiculously boring.

Originally Posted by Darth Fredius

No... nobody here...
This "seams to be" greenish FOTR color issue is boring me.
I love Tolkien and Peter Jackson movies but I don't have time and patience to read all the previus messages...
I saw the EE Blu-ray of the FOTR it looks awesome to me.

[dcowboy7]

Originally Posted by Bad Boy Dazza

Hey guys, I just watched the EE Fellowship of the Ring and noticed a strange greenish tint to the entire film.

You know its summer when even the jokes are reruns.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by radagast

Okay, read the following list. It isn't complete because there are so many instances that I can't remember them all.

4) Gandalf doesn't want to go through Moria.

10) "No one tosses a dwarf".

I have my opinions on a lot of these, but I'll just go to these two since they seem blatantly obvious.

4) Even Gandalf, who is wise and powerful, doesn't want to go to Moria unless it's the last resort. This adds a CONSIDERABLE sense of dread when they are forced to go through Moria. It adds a lot of tension to the scene when they arrive, because you think, "if even Gandalf is afraid to go this route, it must be horrific". I also love the little qualifier that Saruman (I think?) throws in about how the dwarves dug too deeply and greedily, and have awakened something horrible (paraphrasing, forgive me). It makes Moria sound absolutely dreadful and evil.

This seems like a very obvious choice to amp up the tension heading into Moria, which is perfect for one of the climactic scenes of the movie. A no-brainer, if you ask me.

10) Gimli saying things like that all the time emphasize just how stubborn and proud he is. It's very basic characterization that I think adds a bit of depth, or at least superficial depth, to a character that would otherwise be harder to characterize. Another obvious movie choice.

Instead of demanding "what did this add to the scene?" maybe ask "does it harm the scene?" "Does it detract from the scene?"


I feel like a lot of people, not just restricted to this IP either, are more upset by changes from books to movies on principle, or perhaps even a feeling of superiority that they read the books long before the movies were a twinkle in New Line's eye (sort of an "I listened to _____ before they were big!" sentiment) than because they really feel they detract from the movie, as a movie.

I guess I am different than some (not trying to be pretentious, that's just how that statement sounds ) because I try and view these movies in a vacuum, as their own self-propelled entities, and give them a chance simply as movies, and don't think they have some obligation to bring every single word or scene to life to satiate the hardcore fans of the source material.

As I said, I am a HUGE fan of GRRMs Song of Ice and Fire series. The HBO series has deviated from the source material many a time, but it's never blasphemous and I can always see why they changed what they did for the sake of the show, not the books. If I wanted the exact story of the books, I would read the books. The show is the show, the books are the books. The same goes for Walking Dead, as well as a lot of Marvel and DC comic adaptations.

On the other hand, when a movie intentionally says "screw the source material" and just takes a dump all over it, but keeps the title and refers to the source material anyway, I do take issue with that, (see "Wanted" with James MacAvoy/Angelina Jolie, "The Beach" with Leonardo DiCaprio) but I don't view them as being part and parcel with the source material anyway. It's just one guy's take on it, and I can choose to avoid it.

[DarkDune]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

How the amazing human brain resolves color anomalies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_constancy

http://ivrg.epfl.ch/research/past_to...daptation.html

And, if that's not enough, what would you say if I told you that our sun was green? Not the moon, we all know the green cheese story was a lie.

http://atmoz.org/blog/2007/12/14/what-color-is-the-sun/

There will be no closure for some of you until some official statement from film makers or post processing is made. I wonder if anyone who has posed complaints or concerns to WBHE have received replies? Plently of questions on facebook, but not a reply to be found.

For those hoping for a replacement try this pure speculation on for size: Internally, the problem has been acknowledged. WBHE is carefully examining contracts in the entire production/post production chain to see where the problem occured and whether they can ding them for the cost of the replacement program. That may take a while, since they are under no time constraints and sales are going well.

While they're working that out, I will just let my amazing human brain sort out the anomalies and enjoy these exellent BDs. I sincerely hope all of you can do the same.

Whoa!

I LOVE THIS! And it is kinda "green" too LOL

"The image depicts a checkerboard with light and dark squares. The optical illusion is that the area of the image labelled A appears to be a darker color than the area of the image labelled B. However, they are actually exactly the same color."

[NYorker]

Originally Posted by radagast

Okay, read the following list. It isn't complete because there are so many instances that I can't remember them all.

1) Merry and Pippin run into Sam and Frodo fleeing the Shire, while they are running away from Farmer Maggot who caught them stealing crops.

2) Bilbo is left out of The Council of Elrond, as well as the arguing by the different folks at the Council right before Frodo speaks up.

3) Aragorn and the Hobbits do not see the lights from the fight between Gandalf and the Ringwraiths at Weathertop.

4) Gandalf doesn't want to go through Moria.

5) Galadriel is a sorceress.

6) Arwen is dying because of the Ring.

7) The manner in which the Fellowship breaks up.

8) Aragorn falling off a cliff.

9) The manner in which the Ents get involved to stop Saruman.

10) "No one tosses a dwarf".

11) "Not the beard".

12) The manner in which Gandalf restores Theoden's health.

13) The replacement of Faramir with someone who has the same name but a completely different personality.

14) The cruelty shown by Faramir's men towards Gollum.

15) Aragorn's reluctance to step up and accept his destiny.

16) Sam's use of the Phial.

17) Frodo trusting Gollum enough to turn on Sam.

18) Gandalf, an angelic being, who after killing a Balrog, and driving off several Ringwraiths who were attacking Faramir, is bested by a mere man, the Witch-King, who is, shortly thereafter, killed by a woman and a hobbit.

Just a small fraction of the examples I could cite. The question for you is this: How did the changes made by PJ and the writers improve over what Tolkien wrote, either as a story OR as a movie?

There are so MANY changes from the book that the movies aren't an adaptation. They are an alternate universe to Tolkien's mythology.

With the exception of the Arwen thing (I did think it was a completely unnecessary addition, though they maybe wanted to add some urgency; would like to know the reasoning behind it.) I really think PJ and his crew made a truly admirable job in adapting a seemingly "unfilmmable" book.

There are so many factors when adapting a book to a film - artistic, technical, etc. - how to make a way for the story to make the transition from the written page to the screen is not easy, especially with a book like this. Remember, you are translating from one medium to another, and what may work for one (book) may not work for another (film). I also liked the Faramir in the film (especially in the EE) better than the book, where he was more "aloof."

[LOTR07]

Just received my survey from WB.....I have a small response for the comment section but was looking for addtional input or if anybody else received their survey what were your comments......what should I add in the comment section??? Relevant comments only please....thx...

[El_Jay]

A question related to the tint issue follows, so again I am spoiler tagging it so it's easy to avoid for people tired of the debate. *Green Tint talk follows spoiler tags*

[Show spoiler]A couple of purely hypothetical question for people to chew on:

1. If Peter Jackson reissued the Fellowship of the Ring in black-and-white, complete with a personal statement, perhaps even an introduction with his visage saying "Hey mates, I think this new black-and-white version of Fellowship really reflects my original intentions more accurately, and this is what I wanted all along", would you choose to replace your FOTR copy?

2. If Peter Jackson and WB admit that there was indeed a mishap at the mastering lab, sincerely apologized and admitted fault, and issued a corrected version, would you acquire that one, even though you have claimed the green looks better?

I just want to get an idea of whether people are really this adamant about accepting "directors intent" as the be-all and end-all. I think Friedkin's revisionism to The French Connection is a cautionary tale of accepting "directors intent" as the gospel, but I want to hear what others have to say about it.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by LOTR07

Just received my survey from WB.....I have a small response for the comment section but was looking for addtional input or if anybody else received their survey what were your comments......what should I add in the comment section??? Relevant comments only please....thx...

Could you expand on this? Did WB send you a survey in response to a concern re FotR that you emailed them about?? Inquiring mind wants to know.

[LOTR07]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Could you expand on this? Did WB send you a survey in response to a concern re FotR that you emailed them about?? Inquiring mind wants to know.

It is a survey to rate my purchase and write a review.....

[radagast]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

A question related to the tint issue follows, so again I am spoiler tagging it so it's easy to avoid for people tired of the debate. *Green Tint talk follows spoiler tags*

[Show spoiler]A couple of purely hypothetical question for people to chew on:

1. If Peter Jackson reissued the Fellowship of the Ring in black-and-white, complete with a personal statement, perhaps even an introduction with his visage saying "Hey mates, I think this new black-and-white version of Fellowship really reflects my original intentions more accurately, and this is what I wanted all along", would you choose to replace your FOTR copy?

2. If Peter Jackson and WB admit that there was indeed a mishap at the mastering lab, sincerely apologized and admitted fault, and issued a corrected version, would you acquire that one, even though you have claimed the green looks better?

I just want to get an idea of whether people are really this adamant about accepting "directors intent" as the be-all and end-all. I think Friedkin's revisionism to The French Connection is a cautionary tale of accepting "directors intent" as the gospel, but I want to hear what others have to say about it.

Although I can live with the current version of FOTR, I have seen that it can look a lot better with the excess green removed and the contrast adjusted. If a corrected version if offered, I would take it. I would expect it to be free to all people who had bought the BDs.

Now is there really anything more that needs to be said about this? There is nothing new to say at this point.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by radagast

Although I can live with the current version of FOTR, I have seen that it can look a lot better with the excess green removed and the contrast adjusted. If a corrected version if offered, I would take it. I would expect it to be free to all people who had bought the BDs.

Now is there really anything more that needs to be said about this? There is nothing new to say at this point.

Yeah, that's how it would likely go down, as it has for Gladiator, Saving Private Ryan, etc. If they just quietly put new masters in boxes at a certain point and didn't tell anyone, THEN we'd all know the meaning of scandalous.

I agree with you that I can live with the current version. We probably won't see an exchange, and that is okay, but one can hope.

On the topic of "anything new". Is there anything new to say about 60 year old books or 10 year old movie adaptations? Nope. Yet this discussion is being called "enthralling", "riveting". Personally I find it incredibly boring and read it all when the DVDs came out. I let them be. Just sayin'.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Yeah, that's how it would likely go down, as it has for Gladiator, Saving Private Ryan, etc. If they just quietly put new masters in boxes at a certain point and didn't tell anyone, THEN we'd all know the meaning of scandalous.

I agree with you that I can live with the current version. We probably won't see an exchange, and that is okay, but one can hope.

That's exactly what Paramount did with Gladiator... the only reason most people knew about the exchange program was the MASSIVE talk on internet forums of a very quiet and discrete exchange.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

That's exactly what Paramount did with Gladiator... the only reason most people knew about the exchange program was the MASSIVE talk on internet forums of a very quiet and discrete exchange.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. If New Line/WB quietly sold the new versions but did not offer an exchange program, forcing people unhappy with the transfer to purchase a new box set... THEN the scandal would reach epic proportions.

Gladiator quietly repackaged rather than do a recall, but they did offer an exchange program.

I wouldn't expect a recall for any of these titles anyway as they aren't strictly-speaking defective. Even the DNR Gladiator would have been (and still is) good enough for a lot of people.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by LOTR07

It is a survey to rate my purchase and write a review.....

Would you consider scanning it and posting the blank survey form? Could it be that they are continuing to validate complaints by asking for feedback from verified purchasers? They only had a few weeks to evaluate the complaints before the release. They may have felt compelled to issue the PR statement when they did, because of the release date. That survey tends to substantiate that the internal investigation is ongoing. I have never received a questionnaire for any BD that I bought. Curioser and curiouser.

[oaguirre]

[QUOTE=El_Jay;4933299]Yeah, that's how it would likely go down, as it has for Gladiator, Saving Private Ryan, etc. If they just quietly put new masters in boxes at a certain point and didn't tell anyone, THEN we'd all know the meaning of scandalous.

And that´s what WB will probably do with The Fellowship of the Ring. That´s for sure.

[LOTR07]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Would you consider scanning it and posting the blank survey form? Could it be that they are continuing to validate complaints by asking for feedback from verified purchasers? They only had a few weeks to evaluate the complaints before the release. They may have felt compelled to issue the PR statement when they did, because of the release date. That survey tends to substantiate that the internal investigation is ongoing. I have never received a questionnaire for any BD that I bought. Curioser and curiouser.

Here is the link to the electronic survey hope it opens up if so great...if not then i don't believe that it will be of much use to anyone else...

http://www.wbshop.com/on/demandware....57&src=TREVIEW

try it out and see what happens....

[LOTR07]

link opens but not sure how many times it can be used to comment in.....

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Sorry, I should have been more clear. If New Line/WB quietly sold the new versions but did not offer an exchange program, forcing people unhappy with the transfer to purchase a new box set... THEN the scandal would reach epic proportions.

Gladiator quietly repackaged rather than do a recall, but they did offer an exchange program.

I wouldn't expect a recall for any of these titles anyway as they aren't strictly-speaking defective. Even the DNR Gladiator would have been (and still is) good enough for a lot of people.

ahhh... gotcha...

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by LOTR07

Here is the link to the electronic survey hope it opens up if so great...if not then i don't believe that it will be of much use to anyone else...

http://www.wbshop.com/on/demandware....57&src=TREVIEW

try it out and see what happens....

Yes, the link works. Oh, I see. I take it that you purchased the set through the WBshop.com, right? That would explain why you got the review request. Did you get a review request for previous purchases from WBshop.com?

[LOTR07]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Yes, the link works. Oh, I see. I take it that you purchased the set it through the WBshop.com, right? That would explain why you got the review request. Did you get a review request for previous purchases from WBshop.com?

yes I did I'm a WB member....and this is the first survey request that i have received...so a little interesting...