Are these HD DVD fanboy arguments true?

[HiNRG]

I'm not sure if this is the best thread to post this question on, but I couldn't find a better one with there being so many threads. I was reading some arguments made by HD-DVD fanboys that troubled me, so I was hoping that maybe someone could explain if these points are flawed. These are the direct quotes I read:

"HD-DVD is technically superior to Blue Ray (MPEG2and H.264, Blue Ray only supports MPEG2)"

"On HD DVDs, better Video-Codecs (VC-1) and bettersound formats are basic standards. Please supportHD DVD!"

I prefer Blu-ray, so I'm not trying to start any trouble. I'm just looking for answers.

[blitz6speed]

Originally Posted by HiNRG

I'm not sure if this is the best thread to post this question on, but I couldn't find a better one with there being so many threads. I was reading some arguments made by HD-DVD fanboys that troubled me, so I was hoping that maybe someone could explain if these points are flawed. These are the direct quotes I read:

"HD-DVD is technically superior to Blue Ray (MPEG2and H.264, Blue Ray only supports MPEG2)"

"On HD DVDs, better Video-Codecs (VC-1) and bettersound formats are basic standards. Please supportHD DVD!"

I prefer Blu-ray, so I'm not trying to start any trouble. I'm just looking for answers.

Both standards support the same 3 codecs, VC-1, H.264 and MPEG2. The difference is HD-DVD can only have a bandwidth of 30MBPS with Video + Audio combined, and Blu-Ray can do 48MBPS. So what they said is false. Blu-ray does ANYTHING hd-dvd can, except better and with more bandwidth and of course, more space.

[Nismobeach]

Originally Posted by HiNRG

I'm not sure if this is the best thread to post this question on, but I couldn't find a better one with there being so many threads. I was reading some arguments made by HD-DVD fanboys that troubled me, so I was hoping that maybe someone could explain if these points are flawed. These are the direct quotes I read:

"HD-DVD is technically superior to Blue Ray (MPEG2and H.264, Blue Ray only supports MPEG2)"

"On HD DVDs, better Video-Codecs (VC-1) and bettersound formats are basic standards. Please supportHD DVD!"

I prefer Blu-ray, so I'm not trying to start any trouble. I'm just looking for answers.

Blu-ray supports MPEG2, H.264/AVC/MPEG4, and VC-1. MPEG2 is an older and less efficient codec, but can be made to look good by utilizing higher bitrates.

H.264/AVC/MPEG4 and VC-1 are comparable to one another. Blu-ray also has uncompressed audio as well.

[Nismobeach]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

Both standards support the same 3 codecs, VC-1, H.264 and MPEG2. The difference is HD-DVD can only have a bandwidth of 30MBPS with Video + Audio combined, and Blu-Ray can do 48MBPS. So what they said is false. Blu-ray does ANYTHING hd-dvd can, except better and with more bandwidth and of course, more space.

And better disc durability.

[dobyblue]

Whilst HD DVD has TrueHD mandated in the players, Blu-ray is the format that has released the most lossless titles.

You can see how this reflects in the reviews if you look at my sig. Blu-ray kills HD DVD in terms of audio.
PQ = -0.08
SQ = +0.25

That's through over 300 reviews on either side.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by HiNRG

I was reading some arguments made by HD-DVD fanboys that troubled me, so I was hoping that maybe someone could explain if these points are flawed. These are the direct quotes I read:

"HD-DVD is technically superior to Blue Ray (MPEG2and H.264, Blue Ray only supports MPEG2)"

"On HD DVDs, better Video-Codecs (VC-1) and bettersound formats are basic standards. Please supportHD DVD!"

These HD DVD fans are either misinformed or outright lying.

Blu-ray supports MPEG-4/AVC/H.264, VC-1, and MPEG-2
Most BDs have LPCM uncompressed audio tracks or DTS HD Master Audio tracks. You can't go much better than that!

[KenThompson]

Some of our best titles for picture quality are mpeg 2. As long as there is room to let it breathe it can produce better results than microsofts vc 1

[JTK]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

These HD DVD fans are either misinformed or outright lying.

Blu-ray supports MPEG-4/AVC/H.264, VC-1, and MPEG-2
Most BDs have LPCM uncompressed audio tracks or DTS HD Master Audio tracks. You can't go much better than that!

Both. They're just not letting pesky things like facts get in their way.

[Musashi]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

These HD DVD fans are either misinformed or outright lying.

Allow me to do an impression of these aforementioned fanboys.

*pinches small white foul-smelling scrap*
*flicks lighter*
*places flame against joint*
*moves joint to mouth*
*inhales deeply*
*exhales and stares into space*

[Jonalan34]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

These HD DVD fans are either misinformed or outright lying.

Blu-ray supports MPEG-4/AVC/H.264, VC-1, and MPEG-2
Most BDs have LPCM uncompressed audio tracks or DTS HD Master Audio tracks. You can't go much better than that!

Most are misunderstand and refuse to look at Blu-ray spec. I looked at Blu-ray and I really admire their abilities. Blu-ray was first name I have heard before HD DVD in 2005.

Both have same abilities that can do things but Blu-ray have more advantages than HD DVD due to space available on disc.

All I can tell you about both of the format, they are big improvement over standard dvd pq.

Regard that I am neutral, I don't care who is winner. Only one winner take it all.

I understand that there is alot of misunderstand and rush to judgement some on forum without judge their word careful.

Problem with HD DVD fanboys is that they have no respect for Blu-ray fanboys.

I am no fanboys and I do respect everbody and I really enjoying being part of Blu-ray forum.

I am only movies fan and this High Definition movies is much better than standard dvd. Many of you would agree that High Definition movies are big improvement over standard dvd.

These people are waste their time to make their own case against Blu-ray. All I can say Shut up, quit whimper, stop blame on studio, just blame yourself, because this person made their own choice to buy HD DVD first place and complaining today instead of being on Blu-ray boat or neutral boat.

I am here to share my experience of movies and help some people this forum. We are an early adoption of this format. I am proud of being part of early adoption.

I wish you all best this year. Enjoy the High Definition movies.

See you around.

[Jack Torrance]

Originally Posted by HiNRG

I'm not sure if this is the best thread to post this question on, but I couldn't find a better one with there being so many threads. I was reading some arguments made by HD-DVD fanboys that troubled me, so I was hoping that maybe someone could explain if these points are flawed. These are the direct quotes I read:

"HD-DVD is technically superior to Blue Ray (MPEG2and H.264, Blue Ray only supports MPEG2)"

"On HD DVDs, better Video-Codecs (VC-1) and bettersound formats are basic standards. Please supportHD DVD!"

I prefer Blu-ray, so I'm not trying to start any trouble. I'm just looking for answers.

I believe these have proven to be false, though the HD-DVD fanboys other claims that Blu-Ray will give you leprosy are still being investigated.

This may sound ludicrous, but I have also heard that if you say "Divx" three times in front of a mirror, the spectre of a dead pay dvd format will appear in your living room.

[HiNRG]

Well, here's another probably unfounded beef that a HD-DVD fanboy has with Blu-ray that I hope isn't true:

"If Blu-ray becomes the standard it will kill any chance on indie films being released in HD."

Please tell me this DUDe doesn't know what he's talking about.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by HiNRG

Well, here's another probably unfounded beef that a HD-DVD fanboy has with Blu-ray that I hope isn't true:

"If Blu-ray becomes the standard it will kill any chance on indie films being released in HD."

Please tell me this DUDe doesn't know what he's talking about.

That is a complete lie, BD actually has more indie films, Magnolia is good example, they have 7 or 8 films on BD, and only one on HD DVD.

[Blubaru]

It's another lie.
Isn’t little miss Sunshine scheduled to come out on Blu-ray?

[Knight-Errant]

Originally Posted by HiNRG

Well, here's another probably unfounded beef that a HD-DVD fanboy has with Blu-ray that I hope isn't true:

"If Blu-ray becomes the standard it will kill any chance on indie films being released in HD."

Please tell me this DUDe doesn't know what he's talking about.

A desperate, bare-faced lie. Shameless.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

Both standards support the same 3 codecs, VC-1, H.264 and MPEG2. The difference is HD-DVD can only have a bandwidth of 30MBPS with Video + Audio combined, and Blu-Ray can do 48MBPS. So what they said is false. Blu-ray does ANYTHING hd-dvd can, except better and with more bandwidth and of course, more space.

an don't for get that snazzy scratch resistance that blu-ray has... the test they put that disc through..you can see people who have DVD's an CD's who watch the first time ...cringe than the look on their face is priceless..

IN MY OPINION THAT IS THE REAL UPGRADE yea picture quality is cool an all an so is the sound quality ..an space..but the scratch resistance is a no. 1 bag...

[ra1024]

That scratch test just reminded me of something I heard from a guy I know. This person is part owner of a computer consulting company and is MS certified all over so he's pretty knowledgeable about computers and tech in general.

That being said, he and his partner are MS fanboys and love their 360's. We were talking about HD gaming and I mentioned how I was looking forwards to the PS3 coming out so I could get into BR movies. He responded that BR discs were fragile and that they could be ruined by just touching the movie side.

I suspected at the time that this was nonsense and have since learned the obvious truth about the matter but it just amazes me that even smart and knowlegeable people can get sucked into the fanboy hysteria.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by ra1024

That scratch test just reminded me of something I heard from a guy I know. This person is part owner of a computer consulting company and is MS certified all over so he's pretty knowledgeable about computers and tech in general.

That being said, he and his partner are MS fanboys and love their 360's. We were talking about HD gaming and I mentioned how I was looking forwards to the PS3 coming out so I could get into BR movies. He responded that BR discs were fragile and that they could be ruined by just touching the movie side.

I suspected at the time that this was nonsense and have since learned the obvious truth about the matter but it just amazes me that even smart and knowlegeable people can get sucked into the fanboy hysteria.

that is why i am unlike them i deal with computer repair ..the hardware aspect more than the software side..an the BLU-RAY SCRATCH TEST WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FIRST MADE ME GO WOW..i have been repairing computer's for now past 10 years, an not only is this going to be one of the bigest reasons why i think people will choose blu-ray over HD-DVD because of this scratch resistance..people who never seen the tests before ..i showed them first hand..an they could not belive their eyes until they looked at it an watched it play just like it would straight from the get go without useing steel wool on the disc. they have kids at home an they love the idea..less chance for any scratch an the disc's are fingerprint resistant to boot....now ask net flix which format they prefer..hands down blu-ray..

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by joeorc

IN MY OPINION THAT IS THE REAL UPGRADE yea picture quality is cool an all an so is the sound quality ..an space..but the scratch resistance is a no. 1 bag...

Getting the word out to parents would be a smart move. I'm sure parents would love the Disney discs to survive for a change.

Gary

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by HiNRG

"If Blu-ray becomes the standard it will kill any chance on indie films being released in HD."

DVD started at $4.50 per disc to replicate. Do you see any indie films on DVD nowdays?

BD is based on the inherently CHEAPER to produce CD form factor. And the production mastering is now five steps instead of 11. Ultimately, BD could be cheaper than DVD to produce.

And the way it gets cheaper, faster, is through economies of scale generated by fast adoption and large sales of popular releases. Both which are happening now.

It's the same old argument that the HD DVD crowd has been pushing for two years. It was silly then, and it is downright desperate now.

Gary