Torchwood: Miracle Day - Blu-ray Forum

phatrat1982 · 07-19-2011, 09:46 PM

looking back in the previous seasons, Torchwood has never been new viewer accessible. Season one you pretty much had to watch Doctor Who to get what was going on, Season two you had to not only watch Doctor Who again but you would be lost if you missed season 1. If you missed either season one or two or the Doctor Who stuff Season three would be confusing to new viewers too.

The difference is the first season was blatantly tied into Doctor Who so Who fans were expecting Torchwood when it came so that helped get it off the ground. Coming to the US is completely different it is a spin off *of* a spin off basically so there is bound to be some confusion going around.

My sister who watched all episodes of Torchwood who also hates Doctor Who had to watch the Doctor episodes and told me it really helped explain things for her. Since I was following all along it never occurred to me but I watch Doctor Who faithfully.

The wrist thing that was kind of an issue because they made a big deal about it but look back at season one again the whole time Jack had it but never explained what it was until Season Two when that other time agent showed up. So unless you watched Doctor Who and had already known about his past you did not know what it was nor did it have any bearing on the show other than creating mystery for the non-Who viewers.

And there is the problem I think, Torchwood had Doctor Who to help build it up for two whole seasons and well people watching the new season might not make the connection to previous Doctor Who stuff especially if they don't watch the parent show and even if they do the knew Doctor Who makes no mention of Captain Jack or the Institute at all. So a new viewer would not know what makes Captain Jack so special not just immortality buy why is this married woman so in love with him, you miss out on everything they have gone through.

You here everyone from Torchwood is dead yet Andy, Jack, and Rysh, and Gwen are all alive and a new viewer would not know why Gwen was in hiding it would make no sense because they explain Torchwood as a part of the royal government of Britain in the first episode so a new viewer would be confused why are the rebuilding the hub, that was mentioned in the first episode that it was being rebuilt, then you have the whole why is Torchwood in hiding if they are a part of the government because it is clearly the government that they are hiding from.

Then you have the stuff about the 456, anyone who watched Children of Earth knows there is no secret what 456 is so when that name came up well it was significant and that explains why the FBI or CIA or whoever it was could arrest Torchwood because you know first what 456 agreement means and you know why Torchwood is involved with 456.

NOT knowing all that you have a show based in the US where CIA agents can at will arrest members of the British government for no reason at all. Yeah that would appeal to some Americans seeing one of our agents arresting a Brit but without knowing why he did have that authority it just makes it look like bad ass American cowboys doing what Americans do.

Also there is all the times Gwen keeps saying welcome to Torchwood and we are Torchwood well all you have is a mention by Jack that Torchwood monitors strange and unusual and also aliens. Well again in context everyone on earth knew about the 456 so they would not be too shocked to learn about an agency that dealt with Aliens. Also that little blurb left out any mention of the rift which in previous seasons was a huge part of what Torchwood was about monitoring the rift. So at least they didn't bring that up cuz that would have confused new viewers.

So my point is yeah there are things that a new viewer could potentially be confused on, but to be fair that is how Torchwood has been handled all along.

Other than that the episode well it seamed like they didn't do enough they spent too much time on the plane doing nothing and it felt like they cut the episode ten minutes short but it wasn't it just had ten minutes of fluff and that is one reason why I like the old format because you have a larger story arc but you get self contained stories also. I don't like it when nothing pertinent happens for half the episode and they either have to rush something out or leave you hanging with a filler episode that could not stand on it's own. That was what I think killed Heroes. Heroes managed to limp along for four seasons based on the success of the first alone, Torchwood well it doesn't have the audience Heroes had and look what happened to that.

07-19-2011, 09:46 PM	#11
phatrat1982 Banned Member since:Jul 2009 Location:I move around too much to keep this accurate Blu-ray reviews:1	looking back in the previous seasons, Torchwood has never been new viewer accessible. Season one you pretty much had to watch Doctor Who to get what was going on, Season two you had to not only watch Doctor Who again but you would be lost if you missed season 1. If you missed either season one or two or the Doctor Who stuff Season three would be confusing to new viewers too. The difference is the first season was blatantly tied into Doctor Who so Who fans were expecting Torchwood when it came so that helped get it off the ground. Coming to the US is completely different it is a spin off of a spin off basically so there is bound to be some confusion going around. My sister who watched all episodes of Torchwood who also hates Doctor Who had to watch the Doctor episodes and told me it really helped explain things for her. Since I was following all along it never occurred to me but I watch Doctor Who faithfully. The wrist thing that was kind of an issue because they made a big deal about it but look back at season one again the whole time Jack had it but never explained what it was until Season Two when that other time agent showed up. So unless you watched Doctor Who and had already known about his past you did not know what it was nor did it have any bearing on the show other than creating mystery for the non-Who viewers. And there is the problem I think, Torchwood had Doctor Who to help build it up for two whole seasons and well people watching the new season might not make the connection to previous Doctor Who stuff especially if they don't watch the parent show and even if they do the knew Doctor Who makes no mention of Captain Jack or the Institute at all. So a new viewer would not know what makes Captain Jack so special not just immortality buy why is this married woman so in love with him, you miss out on everything they have gone through. You here everyone from Torchwood is dead yet Andy, Jack, and Rysh, and Gwen are all alive and a new viewer would not know why Gwen was in hiding it would make no sense because they explain Torchwood as a part of the royal government of Britain in the first episode so a new viewer would be confused why are the rebuilding the hub, that was mentioned in the first episode that it was being rebuilt, then you have the whole why is Torchwood in hiding if they are a part of the government because it is clearly the government that they are hiding from. Then you have the stuff about the 456, anyone who watched Children of Earth knows there is no secret what 456 is so when that name came up well it was significant and that explains why the FBI or CIA or whoever it was could arrest Torchwood because you know first what 456 agreement means and you know why Torchwood is involved with 456. NOT knowing all that you have a show based in the US where CIA agents can at will arrest members of the British government for no reason at all. Yeah that would appeal to some Americans seeing one of our agents arresting a Brit but without knowing why he did have that authority it just makes it look like bad ass American cowboys doing what Americans do. Also there is all the times Gwen keeps saying welcome to Torchwood and we are Torchwood well all you have is a mention by Jack that Torchwood monitors strange and unusual and also aliens. Well again in context everyone on earth knew about the 456 so they would not be too shocked to learn about an agency that dealt with Aliens. Also that little blurb left out any mention of the rift which in previous seasons was a huge part of what Torchwood was about monitoring the rift. So at least they didn't bring that up cuz that would have confused new viewers. So my point is yeah there are things that a new viewer could potentially be confused on, but to be fair that is how Torchwood has been handled all along. Other than that the episode well it seamed like they didn't do enough they spent too much time on the plane doing nothing and it felt like they cut the episode ten minutes short but it wasn't it just had ten minutes of fluff and that is one reason why I like the old format because you have a larger story arc but you get self contained stories also. I don't like it when nothing pertinent happens for half the episode and they either have to rush something out or leave you hanging with a filler episode that could not stand on it's own. That was what I think killed Heroes. Heroes managed to limp along for four seasons based on the success of the first alone, Torchwood well it doesn't have the audience Heroes had and look what happened to that.

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