AMC's "Breaking Bad" Discussion (2008-2013)

[McCrutchy]

Originally Posted by Toptube

I love how they are still making fun of how stupid the season 2 finale was.

Originally Posted by hardtosayx

They're making fun of it?

The Season 2 finale was stupid?

[Toptube]

Originally Posted by hardtosayx

They're making fun of it?

Saul's commercial from tonight's episode was actually the writers poking fun at the Season 2 finale.

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

The Season 2 finale was stupid?

Yes. The actual climactic events were completely ridiculous, forced coincidence against impossible odds. Throughout season 3 they periodically bury season 2's climax events deeper and deeper under successive jokes. As if to say "haha remember when we wrote that shit?" "hahahaheeh, hehe, he.... >_>"

Season 2 was amazing. But the very final climax event in the last episode or two, as it happened, was some bullshit.

[supersix4]

Compared with season's 2 and 3 this has been a wildly underwhelming opening and thats putting it mildly...

[Show spoiler] Yeah its nice that Jessie is a softy and the killing gets to him, that aspects been done well, but the whole trying to kill your boss what an idiotic addition to the storyline. Especially, considering if he just shut up and did his job cooking, he wouldn't have had a problem in the first place. And now that we know Hank can and will probably walk again why do they continue to write the bitter role for him pretty sure that would fly allot better if he was paralyzed forever, rather than just needing extensive recovery time.

Very unimpressed thankfully we have time to correct these missteps.

[Show spoiler] Oh and Jessie needs to go he's not cut out for it, but I think we all see that coming.

Originally Posted by LucasEatWorld

Is it just me, or is anyone sort of disappointed with the first two episodes so far? The only thing that seems to be interesting to me is what is going to to happen between Gus, Walt, and Mike. Jesse doesn't seem to be doing much, Hank is still trying to walk, and Saul hasn't been doing anything. I was really looking forward to the fallout from the lab files at the end of last week's premier, but nothing came of it this week. =/

Its not you.

[Groo The Perverted]

Originally Posted by supersix4

[Show spoiler]And now that we know Hank can and will probably walk again why do they continue to write the bitter role for him pretty sure that would fly allot better if he was paralyzed forever, rather than just needing extensive recovery time.

So because WE KNOW (assuming, anyway) that Hank will recover, that means that the character who is actually going through the loss of his abilities and livelihood and who can't even go to the bathroom by himself without help, being bitter doesn't make sense to you?

I'm guessing you've never dealt with anything remotely like that or know anyone close to you that has? I think they're actually dealing with it reasonably. Doesn't make it easy to watch, but it's definitely not unrealistic.

[McCrutchy]

Originally Posted by Groo The Perverted

So because WE KNOW (assuming, anyway) that Hank will recover, that means that the character who is actually going through the loss of his abilities and livelihood and who can't even go to the bathroom by himself without help, being bitter doesn't make sense to you?

I'm guessing you've never dealt with anything remotely like that or know anyone close to you that has? I think they're actually dealing with it reasonably. Doesn't make it easy to watch, but it's definitely not unrealistic.

Indeed, we certainly don't know that Hank will walk unaided ever again, and the filmmakers are treating physical therapy / rehab quite realistically so far--moreso than any other TV show I've seen. In fact, if anything, I'd expect Hank to still be recovering (at some level) up until the show ends.

[Groo The Perverted]

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

Indeed, we certainly don't know that Hank will walk unaided ever again, and the filmmakers are treating physical therapy / rehab quite realistically so far--moreso than any other TV show I've seen. In fact, if anything, I'd expect Hank to still be recovering (at some level) up until the show ends.

exactly. plus they said recently in interviews that next season (Season 5) will be the final season, and that the entire five season run will take place over the course of one year, because as you may recall, Walt was given two years to live in the beginning of the show.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Groo The Perverted

I'm guessing you've never dealt with anything remotely like that or know anyone close to you that has? I think they're actually dealing with it reasonably. Doesn't make it easy to watch, but it's definitely not unrealistic.

lol and thats the beauty of the internet... You guessed wrong.

[eyesonfire]

Originally Posted by supersix4

Compared with season's 2 and 3 this has been a wildly underwhelming opening and thats putting it mildly...

[Show spoiler] Yeah its nice that Jessie is a softy and the killing gets to him, that aspects been done well, but the whole trying to kill your boss what an idiotic addition to the storyline. Especially, considering if he just shut up and did his job cooking, he wouldn't have had a problem in the first place. And now that we know Hank can and will probably walk again why do they continue to write the bitter role for him pretty sure that would fly allot better if he was paralyzed forever, rather than just needing extensive recovery time.

Yes, how incomprehensibly stupid to try and take the man out who will with a 99% certainty attempt to put a bullet through your skull sooner or later.

You're completely missing the point of Hank's abusive behavior. He's bitter because he feels emasculated and useless lying in bed, having Marie put a bedpan under his ass whenever he needs to take a crap, showering him, feeding him... the list goes on.

This is pretty much what I would expect from a man like Hank. Just as I expect him to be eager to get back on his feet. And the scene with the physiotherapist is a good example of this, he's clearly motivated to do something about his current situation, unmistakably working his ass off to achieve it despite the pain that comes with the effort.

[The_ZZ]

This was my favorite show, and it still is, but it feels like this show is turning pretentious. I get the feeling it's so full of itself because of the critical acclaim. It's taking everything super slow, and while I still watch and enjoy it, literally not much has happened to move along the story. We get a little more on the characters, but I would say half of the episode could have been cut out and there wouldn't be a difference. I guess it's good character development, but honestly it's a little boring and that sucks seeing as it's been over a year of wait.

[hardtosayx]

Originally Posted by Toptube

Saul's commercial from tonight's episode was actually the writers poking fun at the Season 2 finale.

Yes. The actual climactic events were completely ridiculous, forced coincidence against impossible odds. Throughout season 3 they periodically bury season 2's climax events deeper and deeper under successive jokes. As if to say "haha remember when we wrote that shit?" "hahahaheeh, hehe, he.... >_>"

Season 2 was amazing. But the very final climax event in the last episode or two, as it happened, was some bullshit.

Um, I don't think they're making fun of it. I think they're just pointing out how insensitive Saul really is that he's trying to make money off these people. Is there any proof that they're mocking it?

Originally Posted by Groo The Perverted

So because WE KNOW (assuming, anyway) that Hank will recover, that means that the character who is actually going through the loss of his abilities and livelihood and who can't even go to the bathroom by himself without help, being bitter doesn't make sense to you?

I'm guessing you've never dealt with anything remotely like that or know anyone close to you that has? I think they're actually dealing with it reasonably. Doesn't make it easy to watch, but it's definitely not unrealistic.

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

Indeed, we certainly don't know that Hank will walk unaided ever again, and the filmmakers are treating physical therapy / rehab quite realistically so far--moreso than any other TV show I've seen. In fact, if anything, I'd expect Hank to still be recovering (at some level) up until the show ends.

Originally Posted by Groo The Perverted

exactly. plus they said recently in interviews that next season (Season 5) will be the final season, and that the entire five season run will take place over the course of one year, because as you may recall, Walt was given two years to live in the beginning of the show.

Originally Posted by eyesonfire

Yes, how incomprehensibly stupid to try and take the man out who will with a 99% certainty attempt to put a bullet through your skull sooner or later.

You're completely missing the point of Hank's abusive behavior. He's bitter because he feels emasculated and useless lying in bed, having Marie put a bedpan under his ass whenever he needs to take a crap, showering him, feeding him... the list goes on.

This is pretty much what I would expect from a man like Hank. Just as I expect him to be eager to get back on his feet. And the scene with the physiotherapist is a good example of this, he's clearly motivated to do something about his current situation, unmistakably working his ass off to achieve it despite the pain that comes with the effort.

+1



Sure it's a little slow, but it's only the second episode

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by eyesonfire

Yes, how incomprehensibly stupid to try and take the man out who will with a 99% certainty attempt to put a bullet through your skull sooner or later.

You're completely missing the point of Hank's abusive behavior. He's bitter because he feels emasculated and useless lying in bed, having Marie put a bedpan under his ass whenever he needs to take a crap, showering him, feeding him... the list goes on.

This is pretty much what I would expect from a man like Hank. Just as I expect him to be eager to get back on his feet. And the scene with the physiotherapist is a good example of this, he's clearly motivated to do something about his current situation, unmistakably working his ass off to achieve it despite the pain that comes with the effort.

I think it’s a pretty established and irrefutable fact of life that in any business if you keep your head down and do your job, you don't have problems, which again all you've brought up is he's trying to counter an on-coming threat yeah one he's bringing on himself by not doing his job (again).

And nobody was denying the obvious suffering, and real trauma that situation could bring, but as we got enough of that in season 3 and with a show that’s expected to only last another year it gets old quick. Especially since they've now established the fact that he'll walk again. Instead we get the same Hank we got when we had no idea (maybe worse because he buys rocks now).

Originally Posted by The_ZZ

This was my favorite show, and it still is, but it feels like this show is turning pretentious. I get the feeling it's so full of itself because of the critical acclaim. It's taking everything super slow, and while I still watch and enjoy it, literally not much has happened to move along the story. We get a little more on the characters, but I would say half of the episode could have been cut out and there wouldn't be a difference. I guess it's good character development, but honestly it's a little boring and that sucks seeing as it's been over a year of wait.

Yep. I get that feeling exactly and can't gloss over the obvious no matter how awesome the first 3 seasons are.

[djgeneral]

Yeah, it is a little slow, but it is still damn good. There were still a bunch of great little moments last night.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by djgeneral

Yeah, it is a little slow, but it is still damn good. There were still a bunch of great little moments last night.

No doubt, the robot cam was awesome, the video game debate was great.

[jwerk]

Originally Posted by SammyJankis

I read an interesting theory online about Gus, one that seems to be reading way too far into things, but it's still an interesting one. It was basically assuming that Mike killed Gus. His reasoning for this theory was because Mike had blood on his fingers, he told Walter that he'll never see Gus again (a statement that can be easily interpreted in another way), his constant drinking, etc. I don't really buy it.

That's what my wife said last night, too. I don't think that's what happened, but it's interesting to see someone else have that theory.

[Derezzed]

The blood on Mike's coat/shirt was in fact Victor's.

[djgeneral]

There is no way Gus will die off camera. That would suck so hard.

I never even thought the blood on Mike was anyone else that Victor. Never crossed my mind.

[Toptube]

Originally Posted by hardtosayx

Um, I don't think they're making fun of it. I think they're just pointing out how insensitive Saul really is that he's trying to make money off these people. Is there any proof that they're mocking it?

Its recurring joke since Season 3, a running joke. Saul is a 2-dimensional character. Unless they decide to suddenly add a new dimension to him, his development as a character was finished a long time ago. The commercial was a dig at Season 2's finale (which was a moment known in TV tropes as "Jumping The Shark"), and also a general comedic moment that fit comfortably within the "world" of Breaking Bad.



*the blood on Mike's jacket sleeve was leftover spray from the throat slash. Due to his grief, its likely Mike forgot to wash the jacket, not noticing any major blood spatter on it like Walt got.


**Also, I don't know what you guys are on about. This show has always been a slow burn, with wonderfully tense buildup to some of the "more exciting" scenes. Its great story telling and allows the relatively small focus story to be more impactful and the characters to carry more weight, because we know them so well and because we actually have some contrast in pacing. Rather than the mile-a-minute, broad focus, "blockbuster" pace that many other now cancelled shows have tried to keep up. Now THOSE are the boring shows, because we can't possibly care about much of it.

Originally Posted by eyesonfire

Yes, how incomprehensibly stupid to try and take the man out who will with a 99% certainty attempt to put a bullet through your skull sooner or later.

You're completely missing the point of Hank's abusive behavior. He's bitter because he feels emasculated and useless lying in bed, having Marie put a bedpan under his ass whenever he needs to take a crap, showering him, feeding him... the list goes on.

This is pretty much what I would expect from a man like Hank. Just as I expect him to be eager to get back on his feet. And the scene with the physiotherapist is a good example of this, he's clearly motivated to do something about his current situation, unmistakably working his ass off to achieve it despite the pain that comes with the effort.

This and other posts here on Hank's condition are really good. I'd also like to add that I think Hank's problem with Marie is that she wants to focus all the time specifically on his condition, rather than ignoring it most of the time and trying to take interest in other things. Hank only wants to think specifically about his conditon when its in context of improvement, triumph, moving forward. His Physical therapist is his outlet for the condition itself. Marie doesn't get it and thinks he should be devoting every second to his condition. But that's how you go mad. The rest of the time, Hank just wants to do what he can. His interest in the minerals is a funny choice, but it really could have been anything. The fact that its an auction driven activity I'd say is just Hank's ever present need for competition, to be the winner. If he can't do anything else, it may as well be winning minerals online.

[Groo The Perverted]

Originally Posted by supersix4

lol and thats the beauty of the internet... You guessed wrong.

Well I'm sorry you've dealt with that. Just seems weird then that you would take that view of this situation then, as if it's somehow unrealistic in how they are portraying it. Like he should be up and running in an episode or two.

[Groo The Perverted]

Originally Posted by supersix4

Especially since they've now established the fact that he'll walk again. Instead we get the same Hank we got when we had no idea (maybe worse because he buys rocks now).
.

They aren't rocks, they're minerals. How many times do I have to tell you that?

[WyldeMan45]

Ok, I have got to ask was I the only one freaking out over Jim Beaver's appearance this week? I don't know if it was just that he was in the scene or what, but I LOVED that opening scene and I think it might be in my top 5 favorite moments from the series so far. It reminded me a bit of the very similar and very classic scene in Taxi Driver. Anyways, just had to say that I was geeking out big time during that scene.

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

Well, just ordered the first three seasons from Amazon. Looking forward to finally checking this out. Hope it's as good as I've heard.

It's about damned time Walt, you are in for a hell of a ride!

Originally Posted by supersix4

Very unimpressed thankfully we have time to correct these missteps.

[Show spoiler] Oh and Jessie needs to go he's not cut out for it, but I think we all see that coming.

Six, I am really starting to wonder if you even like this show at all. You complain about amazing story lines, brilliant acting and I get the feeling that you'd rather be watching Jersey Shore then this most of the time.