Star Wars Wars the UOT Strikes Back and OTHER PEZ dispensers

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by boucoupdinkydau

:d

hmmm, smiley face doesn't seem to be working.....

[NMR1723]

Originally Posted by JasonWard

Anakin and Padme visited the Lars homestead. They might have taken picture. Luke might have looked him up, as stated. Anakin and Obi-Wan were famous according to the ramp up to Revenge of the Sith and all of that material. But none of that matters.

At the end of the day, Luke and Anakin had a psychic connection. They were speaking to one another telepathically. The visual language of the scene with Anakin at the end of Jedi is totally appropriate for this Blu-ray release. Anakin could have been a slug but Luke would know it was him. For the audience, that's the Anakin they know and that's why he looks like that. Luke is seeing the man he was before it all fell apart.

Changing this for the Blu-ray would not make any sense at all. Possible family photos, research by Luke of his famous war hero father, and A POWERFUL PYSHCIC CONNECTION make any arguments about inconsistencies foolish and poorly thought out.

Yes...it's "possible"...but if it isn't in the films or the Clone Wars...then it didn't happen. We as an audience shouldn't have to wonder how Luke "knows" that the younger scary dude on the left is the ghost of his deceased father. In ANH Luke didn't know him and thought that he was a flippin' navigator on a spice freighter. We can make stuff up until we are blue in the face...but it won't make a difference. Let's move on...

[Irrob]

Originally Posted by Strevlac

Gee ya think?

LOL at smartass. Good one!

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by gallandro

How about something like this:






Yancy

They must've stole that shot from when Hayden was checking out Natalie Portman. Unfortunately, it doesn't really work with Anakin and Luke...

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by danny_boy

Exactly!

But if the unaltered trilogy does get an eventual hidef release the whiners may complain that there are dirt specks,splice residue,shifts in granularity and inconsistent colours.

But that is how the original films looked.
And that is the way they should be preserved.

Think about it danny boy, that is a complete B.S. statement. If you saw the OT in theaters day one, the prints would have looked pristine (other than cigarette burns). It would have been a gorgeous, clean image. I saw Return of the Jedi on day one of it's first theatrical re-release, and it was one of the most gorgeous cinematic presentations i've ever seen in my life. Granted, old Kodak prints wouldn't allow for it today due to degradation, but there are most definitely existing Technicolor prints that exist that would allow for a faithful digital restoration.

Same as if you saw Alien on day one in theaters. It would have looked pretty darn perfect. Ridley Scott gave us that version on blu-ray (granted with a color timing change, but most are fine with that).

If you saw the original theatrical release of Blade Runner, Scott included that same version in the 5 Disc Ultimate Collector's Edition. A pristine, theater-quality image and uncompressed surround sound. Realistically, that's all UOT fans want. Me personally, i wouldn't care less if the image was less than pristine, as long as it's in the same resolution as the SE OT, and with the same treatment to the audio quality as the SE OT.

Us "whiners" just want something better than a non-anamorphic dvd copy of a laser disc master that was meant for SD tv's.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by iamsometal

Us "whiners" just want something better than a non-anamorphic dvd copy of a laser disc master that was meant for SD tv's.

Seconded.

[Breather]

Originally Posted by Jay444

He certainly isn't (and never will be) hurting on money that is true. However, he has released the UOT on EVERY viable home video format. To say "Its never coming!" is ignoring previous efforts and history (even though the last effort was so-so, even for the AOT and TPM).

What everyone seems to be ignoring is George is concerned about cost at this time. Like any good businessman he has money he has put into certain projects. The Clone Wars, 3D releases, numerous video games, the current blu ray releases, Red Tails, Indiana Jones, 3D blu rays, so on and so forth, these things cost money. Putting the original trilogy remastering project on the front burner is not a priority at this time as all the projects I just listed are more immediate. Eventaully, they will get there. Just not right now.

So, let's all stop asking when its coming out and lets also cut the "Its never coming!" stuff as it is just as much an uneducated statement. Lets try and keep the conversation on what we are going to have in less than a month!

Now, back to the blu rays, who here is psyched like I am to rewatch TPM? While it isn't my favorite film in the series, it certainly seems TPM has profited a great deal from the work put into the current blu rays! It will be like watching it for the first time again. Soooo fn excited!

Good post. As someone who disagrees with George's stance and hopes for an eventual restoration and Blu-ray release, which I definitely believe will come, I still agree with you. This quote from him last fall regarding next month's set sounds more encouraging than "they don't exist anymore". It seems to leave the door open somewhat. Only time will tell:

"We’ve been working on them(this BD set) for quite a while,” Mr. Lucas said, “but still, there are pipelines. Unfortunately, the recent releases get priority over what we call the classic versions of things."

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Seconded.

At the very worst it would look like the Blade Runner workprint BD as that was scanned from an actual theatrical projection print. Which, if I was not given a choice, is fine with me.

But there's no real reason it wouldn't look much better than that.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Strevlac

At the very worst it would look like the Blade Runner workprint BD as that was scanned from an actual theatrical projection print. Which, if I was not given a choice, is fine with me.

But there's no real reason it wouldn't look much better than that.

I think a full restoration should be done. Preserve it for what it was in it's original theatrical run. It's one of the most highly regarded sci-fi experiences in movie history. There is no reason it shouldn't be fully preserved to look and sound its best. Just my two pennies.

[Weirded Wonder]

This was posted by highscore over here http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/31...-on-report/120

[Show spoiler]

Before I rant, let me first say I will be purchasing the complete trilogy. I, like everyone here loves Star Wars. It has been a part of my life since I was five. However what was created in the past is no longer.
So let's begin.

It's very unfortunate that Lucas, whose career and the billions of dollars that have followed, have been made off of star wars and its fans, still can't cough up some pennies to do a decent restoration of the original trilogy. Why, you ask? Two words “he’s cheap”.

I am only privy to knowledge of the original trilogies and not the prequels. I have been a colorist and in the Post business for over sixteen years. I have been very lucky to work on some Star wars projects (not this one nor the 2004 release) as well as many other high profile features. Some personal friends and mentors were so lucky as to get the 2004 job and so graciously passed along the then secret info of the then upcoming 2004 DVD’s.

Apparently, Lucasfilm is trying to cover their butts with blaming things like technology and time frames. Although some things may ring true more than others let me let you in on some of the 2004 restoration details.

This article and the digital bits article claim that the 2004 DVD was from a scanned source, i.e. 2k, 4k, ect. I do not believe this to be true. The original trilogy was transferred as a "best lite" on a C-Relality telecine at The Post Group in Hollywood, CA. It was best lit in HD 1920X1080 24SF and then the final color correction was handled at Lucatfilm as a tape to tape final color correction. Funny side note, at the time the client raised concerns that the corridors of Leia’s ship the "Tantive IV" had a slight magenta hue to them and possibly would not match the Sith prequels set.

Is their any problem with that? No. Have there been major advances in film to tape color correction and data scanning since then? YES! But let me continue.

Ok, for arguments sake lets say that those best lites were only used as reference and not for final color. In 2004 Chances are high that if scanned it was only scanned at 2k resolution. So Lucasfilm is either using the HD transfer masters generated from a best lite or if we were so lucky, actually scanned at 2k then down converted to HD and the SD for the DVD release. Either of these options are still fine, provided you're happy with technology of the past. But I will continue.

An HD transfer from 2004 is very different from a transfer from 2011. The amount of sharpness and detail from todays equipment is noticeably better than that or yesteryear. As for the, what if scenario of a 2k scan. Well there we have an even greater difference in comparable resolution between a scan of then and now. A 4k scan for a two-hour feature today would cost approximately $30,000. A 6k scan around $80,000. As for 8k, well I'm afraid that may bring out too much noise from the films age, but for comparison your looking at, at least $100,000 if not more. Now those costs are only for the scan and nothing else. But lets be honest Lucas himself could do everything in house at cost if he wanted too, so money really isn't of concern here.

Basically what I'm saying is Lucas is very cheap and very stubborn. He says the original versions are gone forever because the cost is too great to bring them back to what they once were. They are now releasing Blu-rays with dated transfers that have been re-color corrected and have been altered yet again. A bit of an FU to the fans wouldn’t you say?
So why Mr. Lucas can you not just spend a little money on your babies? A new 4k scan would have cost you $100,000 for all three films. But I'm sure you could get a deal, because what facility wouldn’t want to be able to say the did Star Wars? Yes a 6k scan and protection prints would be better but lets go low for this discussion.

And as for the "sorry the original trilogies are gone forever" spiel. Well that’s BS and you know it. You may have cut your special editions directly into that cut neg (why I'll never know) but they can be brought back. Just for fun lest say that to restore your special editions back to their original selves it would cost $1,000,000 for each film. It wouldn't but lets just say it did. So now your costs are around $3.1 million for scans and restoration of the original trilogy. Lets throw in another (again high) $2 million for dirt fix, sound mix, and that new color correction. We are now at $5.1 million. Yes that is allot of money, but basically each film will cost $1.7 million. So with a probable outstanding blu-ray sale and the possible theatrical re-release you don't think you could make you money back? Come on!

Mr. Lucas and Lucasfilm are trying to blame past technology for their mistakes. And they aren’t willing to pay a little to make the best film franchise ever, shine for what it is and was. They should be ashamed.

He makes a valid point.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by jyenor

Uh...Luke's father was an extremely famous hero of the Clone Wars. You think Luke didn't look him up even once??

Exactly, Luke went to google.com and typed "Anakin Skywalker" and saw pics of this dad on the images section.

[earmullet]

Originally Posted by Beard Esquire

This was posted by highscore over here http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/31...-on-report/120

[Show spoiler]

Before I rant, let me first say I will be purchasing the complete trilogy. I, like everyone here loves Star Wars. It has been a part of my life since I was five. However what was created in the past is no longer.
So let's begin.

It's very unfortunate that Lucas, whose career and the billions of dollars that have followed, have been made off of star wars and its fans, still can't cough up some pennies to do a decent restoration of the original trilogy. Why, you ask? Two words “he’s cheap”.

I am only privy to knowledge of the original trilogies and not the prequels. I have been a colorist and in the Post business for over sixteen years. I have been very lucky to work on some Star wars projects (not this one nor the 2004 release) as well as many other high profile features. Some personal friends and mentors were so lucky as to get the 2004 job and so graciously passed along the then secret info of the then upcoming 2004 DVD’s.

Apparently, Lucasfilm is trying to cover their butts with blaming things like technology and time frames. Although some things may ring true more than others let me let you in on some of the 2004 restoration details.

This article and the digital bits article claim that the 2004 DVD was from a scanned source, i.e. 2k, 4k, ect. I do not believe this to be true. The original trilogy was transferred as a "best lite" on a C-Relality telecine at The Post Group in Hollywood, CA. It was best lit in HD 1920X1080 24SF and then the final color correction was handled at Lucatfilm as a tape to tape final color correction. Funny side note, at the time the client raised concerns that the corridors of Leia’s ship the "Tantive IV" had a slight magenta hue to them and possibly would not match the Sith prequels set.

Is their any problem with that? No. Have there been major advances in film to tape color correction and data scanning since then? YES! But let me continue.

Ok, for arguments sake lets say that those best lites were only used as reference and not for final color. In 2004 Chances are high that if scanned it was only scanned at 2k resolution. So Lucasfilm is either using the HD transfer masters generated from a best lite or if we were so lucky, actually scanned at 2k then down converted to HD and the SD for the DVD release. Either of these options are still fine, provided you're happy with technology of the past. But I will continue.

An HD transfer from 2004 is very different from a transfer from 2011. The amount of sharpness and detail from todays equipment is noticeably better than that or yesteryear. As for the, what if scenario of a 2k scan. Well there we have an even greater difference in comparable resolution between a scan of then and now. A 4k scan for a two-hour feature today would cost approximately $30,000. A 6k scan around $80,000. As for 8k, well I'm afraid that may bring out too much noise from the films age, but for comparison your looking at, at least $100,000 if not more. Now those costs are only for the scan and nothing else. But lets be honest Lucas himself could do everything in house at cost if he wanted too, so money really isn't of concern here.

Basically what I'm saying is Lucas is very cheap and very stubborn. He says the original versions are gone forever because the cost is too great to bring them back to what they once were. They are now releasing Blu-rays with dated transfers that have been re-color corrected and have been altered yet again. A bit of an FU to the fans wouldn’t you say?
So why Mr. Lucas can you not just spend a little money on your babies? A new 4k scan would have cost you $100,000 for all three films. But I'm sure you could get a deal, because what facility wouldn’t want to be able to say the did Star Wars? Yes a 6k scan and protection prints would be better but lets go low for this discussion.

And as for the "sorry the original trilogies are gone forever" spiel. Well that’s BS and you know it. You may have cut your special editions directly into that cut neg (why I'll never know) but they can be brought back. Just for fun lest say that to restore your special editions back to their original selves it would cost $1,000,000 for each film. It wouldn't but lets just say it did. So now your costs are around $3.1 million for scans and restoration of the original trilogy. Lets throw in another (again high) $2 million for dirt fix, sound mix, and that new color correction. We are now at $5.1 million. Yes that is allot of money, but basically each film will cost $1.7 million. So with a probable outstanding blu-ray sale and the possible theatrical re-release you don't think you could make you money back? Come on!

Mr. Lucas and Lucasfilm are trying to blame past technology for their mistakes. And they aren’t willing to pay a little to make the best film franchise ever, shine for what it is and was. They should be ashamed.

He makes a valid point.

This guy just slammed Lucas, legitimately. The screenshots still look pretty good to me, even I think nothing is even from the blu ray. 2004, master, early work etc.

[JoshKelhoffer]

Never mention these reviews for the PT ever again. It's just more prequel trilogy bashing which we don't need. Don't keep bringing them up.

I don't see why it emotionally bothers youthful Star Wars fans when someone mentions their unhappiness with the prequels. For example, those hour and a half long reviews done by that guy with the annoying voice. Yes, his voice wasn't very engaging, but he made several legitimate complaints that are simply summed up as "prequel bashing."

Truth is, for a lot of us, those first two prequels are unbearable, just as many of us find Spongebob to be annoying as hell, while some people manage to find him charming.

Not because of comparisons made to the original films. Not for me, at least. But because of all all the half-witted humor; early draft-like writing and staging and development; emotionless-wooden and many times, simply unnecessary dialogue in place of something a simple gesture of the eyes could have said better; and Twilight-esque unemotional, unengaging, unnatural romance obviously written by someone who knows very little about romance (for example, Ani comes across as whiny, childishly I might add, in a few scenes with Padme, something women would naturally find very unappealing). They had some great effects, and each film has some fun sequences, such as the pod race (which would be solid without the stupid announcers) and the assembly line scene (which could have done without 3POs dumb moments).

And we keep hearing the excuse that these films aren't for our age group. Well neither is Toy Story 3! But that film manages to bring together youthful humor with "grown up" themes, offering up a compelling sequence where a situation looks dim, and the characters brace themselves for an inevitable death. We know isn't going to happen. But the moment feels almost real anyway, despite its cartoon settings. And its because of that tone, that when they are saved, you are on the edge of your seat, even though you've seen the last minute rescue a million times and know for a fact that Disney would not kill off all the main characters in a kids film.

I grew up with Star Wars on VHS. I was about 8 when I saw its sequels, but for the longest time, I was familiar with just the original Star Wars. Kind of like how an entire generation experienced it in 1977. Say all you want about effects back then. They were of their time, just like CGI in films today is of its time (and becomes outdated just as fast, as CGI is something that is constantly outdoing itself and evolving). Anyways, without the context of its next two films, or that of the eventual prequels, Star Wars was just a fun film, about good and evil. A fantasy adventure in space. One where the main character is like many people out there, living a boring life day by day and constantly dreaming of more, and constantly being held back by something. It was a charming sense of relatability. If that is indeed a word. When you're not worrying about who Vader really is or what happened to the Jedi, Star Wars is just a really fun film that is a call back to the serials Lucas grew up with.

When I watch that film, that is what I see. I love Empire equally, for different reasons. Its compelling in a different way. There are moments in Jedi that I don't like, but it is a good combination of the fun adventure of Star Wars and the pathos of Empire. Also, the conflict between Luke and Vader is great. If I were to compare the lightsaber battles of the prequels to any of the original trilogy, clearly this is the one that should be made an example. The choreography of the prequel lightsaber battles were incredible, but often overstated. Perhaps not enough emotional conflict. Having characters that can seemingly do anything and everything and be mindful at the same time.. well, sometimes that is not as compelling. The Ani/Obi Wan fight came close, but it was often about stunts or set pieces. But return to that Vader/Luke battle in ROTJ. The set was just darkly lit platforms. Obviously, they are not hopping around on little floating droids. Yet somehow, that 1983 battle was more compelling. I wonder how a sequence involving two friends fighting each other is not emotionally aggressive and suspenseful? It's just lightsaber dazzles made for us to go "Eww" and "Awww." Also, another is issue is that if during a fight sequence, you never really get the sense of the main antagonist becoming overwhelmed both physically and mentally, it just feels like an exorcise of the eyes, not of the mind, which if stimulated during a movie, is all the more satisfying. That is the true definition of being on the edge of your seat. Anything less is just purely superficial.

[IronWaffle]

Originally Posted by JoshKelhoffer

[Show spoiler]I don't see why it emotionally bothers youthful Star Wars fans when someone mentions their unhappiness with the prequels. For example, those hour and a half long reviews done by that guy with the annoying voice. Yes, his voice wasn't very engaging, but he made several legitimate complaints that are simply summed up as "prequel bashing."

Truth is, for a lot of us, those first two prequels are unbearable, just as many of us find Spongebob to be annoying as hell, while some people manage to find him charming.

Not because of comparisons made to the original films. Not for me, at least. But because of all all the half-witted humor; early draft-like writing and staging and development; emotionless-wooden and many times, simply unnecessary dialogue in place of something a simple gesture of the eyes could have said better; and Twilight-esque unemotional, unengaging, unnatural romance obviously written by someone who knows very little about romance (for example, Ani comes across as whiny, childishly I might add, in a few scenes with Padme, something women would naturally find very unappealing). They had some great effects, and each film has some fun sequences, such as the pod race (which would be solid without the stupid announcers) and the assembly line scene (which could have done without 3POs dumb moments).

And we keep hearing the excuse that these films aren't for our age group. Well neither is Toy Story 3! But that film manages to bring together youthful humor with "grown up" themes, offering up a compelling sequence where a situation looks dim, and the characters brace themselves for an inevitable death. We know isn't going to happen. But the moment feels almost real anyway, despite its cartoon settings. And its because of that tone, that when they are saved, you are on the edge of your seat, even though you've seen the last minute rescue a million times and know for a fact that Disney would not kill off all the main characters in a kids film.

I grew up with Star Wars on VHS. I was about 8 when I saw its sequels, but for the longest time, I was familiar with just the original Star Wars. Kind of like how an entire generation experienced it in 1977. Say all you want about effects back then. They were of their time, just like CGI in films today is of its time (and becomes outdated just as fast, as CGI is something that is constantly outdoing itself and evolving). Anyways, without the context of its next two films, or that of the eventual prequels, Star Wars was just a fun film, about good and evil. A fantasy adventure in space. One where the main character is like many people out there, living a boring life day by day and constantly dreaming of more, and constantly being held back by something. It was a charming sense of relatability. If that is indeed a word. When you're not worrying about who Vader really is or what happened to the Jedi, Star Wars is just a really fun film that is a call back to the serials Lucas grew up with.

When I watch that film, that is what I see. I love Empire equally, for different reasons. Its compelling in a different way. There are moments in Jedi that I don't like, but it is a good combination of the fun adventure of Star Wars and the pathos of Empire. Also, the conflict between Luke and Vader is great. If I were to compare the lightsaber battles of the prequels to any of the original trilogy, clearly this is the one that should be made an example. The choreography of the prequel lightsaber battles were incredible, but often overstated. Perhaps not enough emotional conflict. Having characters that can seemingly do anything and everything and be mindful at the same time.. well, sometimes that is not as compelling. The Ani/Obi Wan fight came close, but it was often about stunts or set pieces. But return to that Vader/Luke battle in ROTJ. The set was just darkly lit platforms. Obviously, they are not hopping around on little floating droids. Yet somehow, that 1983 battle was more compelling. I wonder how a sequence involving two friends fighting each other is not emotionally aggressive and suspenseful? It's just lightsaber dazzles made for us to go "Eww" and "Awww." Also, another is issue is that if during a fight sequence, you never really get the sense of the main antagonist becoming overwhelmed both physically and mentally, it just feels like an exorcise of the eyes, not of the mind, which if stimulated during a movie, is all the more satisfying. That is the true definition of being on the edge of your seat. Anything less is just purely superficial.

Your post sums up my feelings very well. Funny thing... For years I wanted to hear NPR's dramatization of SW, excited to hear all the stuff that wasn't in the film. It's a good listen. Most of the added dialogue is in the first few episodes. By the time I finally heard it, ROTS had already come and gone. That's the only prequel I've seen multiple times, and listening to the NPR version's expositional, political scenes it's clear that as far back as ANH, in those early scenes, Lucas's scripting could feel just as arguably plodding.

I've already ordered the Complete Saga and look forward to giving TPM and AOTC a fair shake, but it's that first draft, married-to-your-material, dialogue you mention and the high drama followed by alternately intense action/low comedy sequences I wonder if I'll find more successful now. Especially after having seen films like THE HOST, which plays in the same tonal schizophrenia, and which is beloved by many. I know that's apples and oranges.

Sorry to go off-topic. I think this damned summer flu is making my brain fuzzier than a tribblesque Wookie hairball.

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by IronWaffle

[/SPOILER]

Your post sums up my feelings very well. Funny thing... For years I wanted to hear NPR's dramatization of SW, excited to hear all the stuff that wasn't in the film. It's a good listen. Most of the added dialogue is in the first few episodes. By the time I finally heard it, ROTS had already come and gone. That's the only prequel I've seen multiple times, and listening to the NPR version's expositional, political scenes it's clear that as far back as ANH, in those early scenes, Lucas's scripting could feel just as arguably plodding.

I've already ordered the Complete Saga and look forward to giving TPM and AOTC a fair shake, but it's that first draft, married-to-your-material, dialogue you mention and the high drama followed by alternately intense action/low comedy sequences I wonder if I'll find more successful now. Especially after having seen films like THE HOST, which plays in the same tonal schizophrenia, and which is beloved by many. I know that's apples and oranges.

Sorry to go off-topic. I think this damned summer flu is making my brain fuzzier than a tribblesque Wookie hairball.

I wanted to also give the PT a fair shake and just buy the Complete Saga (after seeing some great footage of the pod race in TPM), but then for laughs i went back and re-watched Plinkett's PT reviews, and i could barely watch all of the PT clips in those reviews without wincing, cringing, or laughing out loud at how fundamentally horrible the PT films are. I'm actually thankful for the PT, because out of them, came the Plinkett reviews, which i find hilarious and spot-on how i feel about the PT. The reviews are 100x better entertainment than the films themselves. So i think i'll save my cash and just go with the OT on blu-ray.

[danny_boy]

Originally Posted by iamsometal

Think about it danny boy, that is a complete B.S. statement. If you saw the OT in theaters day one, the prints would have looked pristine (other than cigarette burns). It would have been a gorgeous, clean image. I saw Return of the Jedi on day one of it's first theatrical re-release, and it was one of the most gorgeous cinematic presentations i've ever seen in my life. Granted, old Kodak prints wouldn't allow for it today due to degradation, but there are most definitely existing Technicolor prints that exist that would allow for a faithful digital restoration.

Same as if you saw Alien on day one in theaters. It would have looked pretty darn perfect. Ridley Scott gave us that version on blu-ray (granted with a color timing change, but most are fine with that).

If you saw the original theatrical release of Blade Runner, Scott included that same version in the 5 Disc Ultimate Collector's Edition. A pristine, theater-quality image and uncompressed surround sound. Realistically, that's all UOT fans want. Me personally, i wouldn't care less if the image was less than pristine, as long as it's in the same resolution as the SE OT, and with the same treatment to the audio quality as the SE OT.

Us "whiners" just want something better than a non-anamorphic dvd copy of a laser disc master that was meant for SD tv's.

There are no doubts about the dynamic range of film.
But the fact of the matter is that the degradation which is inherent in the process of converting film negative to release print is why Lucas chose to shoot digitally.

If you consider that the original release prints of Star Wars in 1977 were most likely no better than 720p----far less than the clarity that current 2K digital projection offers today.

In the current environment, a 2K digital projector will exhibit higher resolution than is currently delivered on release prints to the theatre, and will exhibit substantial image sharpness and clarity due to the better system MTF that preserves higher contrast in the mid frequencies. The images produced should be more striking than the competing (release) film images. Scenes will still exist where the digital structure of the system will be apparent in the image, and a comparative film clip will be smoother.
http://www.etconsult.com/papers/Tech...Resolution.pdf

Frankly---a 4k or 1080 scan of the original unaltered negative would yield a
product on Blu Ray that far surpasses what audiences saw in 77'.

[gallandro]

Originally Posted by iamsometal

I wanted to also give the PT a fair shake and just buy the Complete Saga (after seeing some great footage of the pod race in TPM), but then for laughs i went back and re-watched Plinkett's PT reviews, and i could barely watch all of the PT clips in those reviews without wincing, cringing, or laughing out loud at how fundamentally horrible the PT films are. I'm actually thankful for the PT, because out of them, came the Plinkett reviews, which i find hilarious and spot-on how i feel about the PT. The reviews are 100x better entertainment than the films themselves. So i think i'll save my cash and just go with the OT on blu-ray.

So to give the PT a "fair shake" you start out by watching a PT basher review. LOL... No you really didn't want to give them a fair shake, you just wanted to validate your original opinion which is fine. But please don't act like you really went out of your way to rewatch them.

Yancy

[nmycon]

Originally Posted by danny_boy

If you consider that the original release prints of Star Wars in 1977 were most likely no better than 720p----far less than the clarity that current 2K digital projection offers today.

The composited shots perhaps... but any of the shots with little to no effects would exceed 1080p

[danny_boy]

Originally Posted by nmycon

The composited shots perhaps... but any of the shots with little to no effects would exceed 1080p

No.

You are confusing the resolving power of the original negative with the release print.

Nothing on the release print(what the audience sees on the screen) goes above 700 - 800 lpph(i.e 720p)...far less than the resolution afforded by 1080p/24p Blu Ray or digital 2K(let alone 4K)

This international study confirmed it:


http://www.etconsult.com/papers/Tech...Resolution.pdf

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by gallandro

So to give the PT a "fair shake" you start out by watching a PT basher review. LOL... No you really didn't want to give them a fair shake, you just wanted to validate your original opinion which is fine. But please don't act like you really went out of your way to rewatch them.

Yancy

Not at all. I watch the Plinkett reviews for entertainment. They're funny as hell. I didn't "start out" giving them a fair shake by watching the Plinkett reviews. I just watched them because i felt like it. I could always put my PT dvd's in and watch them, but I just can't get through a single one of them without having to stop. They're just that bad. If some positive reviews of the PT were as entertaining as the Plinkett reviews, I'd watch those too. My feelings about the PT are pretty much never going to change, no matter how many "fair shakes" i give them. And while yes, Plinkett is a PT "basher," (and a fictional character, mind you) every single one of his points are totally valid, and i agree with 99% of them. The plots are non-sensical, the dialogue is painful, the acting is amateur, and to the actors, Lucas was an absentee director. Plinkett's reviews just reminded me of the fact that every time i try to watch any of the PT, i just can't get through an entire single viewing.

I'm really excited to read the review of the PT films on this site. It'll be interesting to hear some fresh takes on it from a blu-ray.com reviewer some 10 - 15 years later.