Atlas Shrugged: Part I - November 08, 2011 - Review

[pseudonym]

Originally Posted by vegeta88

As of July this year (after the first part tanked) the director is still planning on making part 2. I have not read anything to the contrary so they might finish the three parts in which case, yes, there will be.

No there won't. I have no idea what the director said. If someone actually pays to produce and release two more of these things after the first one crashed and burned so epically, I will gladly eat my hat.

The free market has spoken, right?

[fdm]

Originally Posted by pseudonym

No there won't. I have no idea what the director said. If someone actually pays to produce and release two more of these things after the first one crashed and burned so epically, I will gladly eat my hat.

The free market has spoken, right?

Depends on how deep their pockets are and what their agenda is. If it was just to make money, yeah, you'll probably not be tasting that hat any time soon.

[vegeta88]

Originally Posted by pseudonym

No there won't. I have no idea what the director said. If someone actually pays to produce and release two more of these things after the first one crashed and burned so epically, I will gladly eat my hat.

The free market has spoken, right?

I was skeptical as well, but after the 'crash and burn' the director said it would still happen.

The free market has spoken. People have the freedom to put out a product even if the first version did not make money.

[Post Prod]

You still need money to make a film.


You would have to be very ideologically attached to Ayn Rand to chase a bad investment.

[vegeta88]

Originally Posted by Post Prod

You still need money to make a film.


You would have to be very ideologically attached to Ayn Rand to chase a bad investment.

And enough people are. fdm pointed out that deep pockets and an agenda are all they need for another movie. As has been pointed out, the book has been extremely influential (for better or worse), so there are many who want to see the movies made. Maybe they are hoping for a sound financial return or maybe they simply want to produce the films. Maybe, unlike most producers and studios, they want to make the film to make the film rather than sell a product.

I use the word "maybe" not in suggesting that is the truth or even speculating it might be true. I am just saying it is a possibility.

[growler]

I wonder how many people commenting here have actually SEEN the movie or read the book. Not just read reviews of either.

Reading "The Fountainhead" or watching the movie "The Fountainhead" will give you a taste of Objectivism/Ayn Rand. If you don't like the ideas in that movie/book you will probably not like "Atlas Shrugged." If you are intrigued or like those ideas, read "Atlas Shrugged" & see the movie.

It should at the very least get you to THINK about the concept of the individual vs. the collective.

[rock, stone]

Originally Posted by growler

I wonder how many people commenting here have actually SEEN the movie or read the book. Not just read reviews of either.

Reading "The Fountainhead" or watching the movie "The Fountainhead" will give you a taste of Objectivism/Ayn Rand. If you don't like the ideas in that movie/book you will probably not like "Atlas Shrugged." If you are intrigued or like those ideas, read "Atlas Shrugged" & see the movie.

It should at the very least get you to THINK about the concept of the individual vs. the collective.

I've read the book (ugh). I will probably get a hold of a copy of the movie with the same morbid fascination that prompted me to rent Battlefield: Earth back in the day.

I think people tend to give Objectivist stuff a hard time, because so many aggressively entitled people are attracted to it. There is then an aspect of humorous comeuppance when some people who believe they are intrinsically better than others, are so genuinely bad at what they purport to do.

The recent financial maneuverings of Alan Greenspan and the like, and the resulting economic consequences has done little to warm the well read masses to the Objectivist cause.

[Post Prod]

Originally Posted by rock, stone

I've read the book (ugh). I will probably get a hold of a copy of the movie with the same morbid fascination that prompted me to rent Battlefield: Earth back in the day.

I think people tend to give Objectivist stuff a hard time, because so many aggressively entitled people are attracted to it. There is then an aspect of humorous comeuppance when some people who believe they are intrinsically better than others, are so genuinely bad at what they purport to do.

The recent financial maneuverings of Alan Greenspan and the like, and the resulting economic consequences has done little to warm the well read masses to the Objectivist cause.

yup.

I've read them as well and will also see the movie out of the same curiosity. I imagine much like Battlefield Earth, more people will be seeing it because of how bad it is, more than anything else.

Look, I don't need to agree with a philosophy to like a movie. a good movie is a good movie. but I also won't pretend a bad movie is good, because it spouts a philosophy I agree with.

Paul Johansson is no John Galt. But then again, neither was Rand, heh.

[Beerserker]

Originally Posted by rock, stone

I've read the book (ugh).
The recent financial maneuverings of Alan Greenspan and the like, and the resulting economic consequences has done little to warm the well read masses to the Objectivist cause.

Only to the people who don't actually understand the cause of the current economic situation, or twist it to suit their political platform. It is in vogue to pretend it is the fault of the free market that the sub prime market collapsed, when in fact the government undermined responsible lending by guaranteeing, via Fannie Mae, sub prime loans that should have never been made. In the free market loans are not guaranteed, so banks would think twice about what they lend. And arguing against Objectivism by attacking Alan Greenspan is simple ad hominem.

I guess the well read masses should think more about what they read.

[stanleykubrick]

Originally Posted by Post Prod

You would have to be very ideologically attached to Ayn Rand to chase a bad investment.

Only about 0.001 percent as ideologically attached to a government in $14 trillion of debt (movie debt = 0.001 percent government debt).

[SadatX]

Originally Posted by vegeta88

I was skeptical as well, but after the 'crash and burn' the director said it would still happen.

The free market has spoken. People have the freedom to put out a product even if the first version did not make money.

Pretending like you're still going to make a sequel is what we call "saving face." Pretty much anyone who has ever released a bomb has said this.

Yup, this film will sure get made all right. I heard it's opening the same weekend as The Last Air Bender II and Green Lateran II. I've been assured by the people who made those films that sequels are coming. I'm taking them at their word.

[vegeta88]

Originally Posted by SadatX

Pretending like you're still going to make a sequel is what we call "saving face." Pretty much anyone who has ever released a bomb has said this.

Yup, this film will sure get made all right. I heard it's opening the same weekend as The Last Air Bender II and Green Lateran II. I've been assured by the people who made those films that sequels are coming. I'm taking them at their word.

And sometimes they actually get made. I agree that most of the time it is saving face, but sometimes the directors believe it or want it.

Why is there such content in putting down this movie and a possible sequel?

[SadatX]

Originally Posted by vegeta88

And sometimes they actually get made. I agree that most of the time it is saving face, but sometimes the directors believe it or want it.

Why is there such content in putting down this movie and a possible sequel?

I wouldn't expect fans of Ayn Rand to understand how free market capitalism actually works, but I'll give you a run down. Investors invest in something to make this thing we call a "profit." When something, such as Atlas Shrugged Part I, is a huge flaming money pit that didn't even make it's production budget back, said investors are not going to willingly give up more of their money to have it torched.

And wow, web content. I own hosting space too. I could put up a page saying I was going to make a Mr. T Vs. Chuck Norris: The Movie in 4D. Does the fact its on a webpage make it true? There's no evidence of a sequel being filmed, because it's a fantasy. Kind of like the sound principles objectivism is based on.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by SadatX

I wouldn't expect fans of Ayn Rand to understand how free market capitalism actually works, but I'll give you a run down. Investors invest in something to make this thing we call a "profit." When something, such as Atlas Shrugged Part I, is a huge flaming money pit that didn't even make it's production budget back, said investors are not going to willingly give up more of their money to have it torched.

And wow, web content. I own hosting space too. I could put up a page saying I was going to make a Mr. T Vs. Chuck Norris: The Movie in 4D. Does the fact its on a webpage make it true? There's no evidence of a sequel being filmed, because it's a fantasy. Kind of like the sound principles objectivism is based on.

I was under the impression that the movie was made on a very low budget of only 10 million and was given little to no promotion

I don't imagine it had to bank big in order to make its profit back. I saw the movie and even though Im a proud libertarian who agrees with Rands message I was a bit dissipointed in the movie and found it a bit dull. Still Im hoping this is because its mearly the first part in a greater story that will get more exciting as it goes on. So I really hope that Part 2 gets made.

[Skopos]

Is it Region Free?

Can anyone confirm it?

[Jerrin]

I seem to have some posts missing.

[Brown]

Is that the same Paul Krugman that believes that the U.S. just needs another three trillion dollars in further stimulis to get its economy on track? I hope some of that goes to a Cash for HD-DVD Clunkers program. Or maybe with some of that money the government can buy back the N.Y. Times building for them.

[Post Prod]

this is why we can't have nice things people.

sheez