Made for TV aspect ratios vs made for cinemas aspect ratios - Blu-ray Forum

HD Goofnut · 09-24-2011, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

I think this is a good thing to discuss, and I thank retablo for trying to move the insanity out of TNG thread. this is a topic that deserves a thread of its own.

What is there to discuss? OAR is OAR. If a TV show aired in 1.33:1 then I want the BD to be 1.33:1. If a film was shown theatrically in 2.20:1 then I want the BD to be 2.20:1. That about covers the entire discussion. BTW there are no cons to OAR.

BouCoupDinkyDau · 09-24-2011, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

What is there to discuss? OAR is OAR. If a TV show aired in 1.33:1 then I want the BD to be 1.33:1. If a film was shown theatrically in 2.20:1 then I want the BD to be 2.20:1. That about covers the entire discussion. BTW there are no cons to OAR.

I think you're a lot smarter than that, Goofnut. I can't see you as a person who thinks that his opinion is the best and only opinion out there. I'm fine with you not wanting to entertain any changes to art, but I think you know that it's a very subjective thing that varies highly from person to person, so there are going to be lots of opinions on something like this.

All you have to do is go into the SW thread to see that.

HD Goofnut · 09-24-2011, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

I think you're a lot smarter than that, Goofnut. I can't see you as a person who thinks that his opinion is the best and only opinion out there. I'm fine with you not wanting to entertain any changes to art, but I think you know that it's a very subjective thing that varies highly from person to person, so there are going to be lots of opinions on something like this.

All you have to do is go into the SW thread to see that.

Well, I am certainly not stupid. What part of OAR is confusing you? If a TV show was aired in 1.33:1 then that's the way I want to own it. If a TV show was aired before the late 90s then 16:9 TVs did not even exist for home use. So what? That doesn't mean I want it stretched, cropped, and/or re-framed so that it fills my screen. There's really nothing to discuss or argue here. I don't the aspect ratio touched, period. Just like I don't want any DNR, EE, or lossy audio on my discs. There is NOTHING else to discuss.

al cos. · 09-24-2011, 02:05 AM

What if the show was shot both ways, with a potential overseas "movie" in mind? (usually 2 episodes stitched together) The original V miniseries was shot that way, even though the movie never happened. Supposedly DPs in the 70s/80s were often told to protect for either possibility (maybe after Duel and Battlestar Galactica, I don't know).

BouCoupDinkyDau · 09-24-2011, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Well, I am certainly not stupid. What part of OAR is confusing you? If a TV show was aired in 1.33:1 then that's the way I want to own it. If a TV show was aired before the late 90s then 16:9 TVs did not even exist for home use. So what? That doesn't mean I want it stretched, cropped, and/or re-framed so that it fills my screen. There's really nothing to discuss or argue here. I don't the aspect ratio touched, period. Just like I don't want any DNR, EE, or lossy audio on my discs. There is NOTHING else to discuss.

I know you're not dumb, dude. I read your reviews, and happen to like their balanced and intelligent reporting quite a bit; that's why I said I think you're smarter than that.

But it's not case closed. You know what you want and that's cool, but so do a lot of other people. There lies the argument, and the question is, how will the corporations that hold the keys to the shows we love react? They tend to give the people what they want, because they themselves want to make money. This is why we have the Predator travesty. This is why Lucas finally buckled under two decades of intense fan pressure and gave us the prequels. So no matter what side of the fence any of us falls on, we are in direct competition with the other. So it isn't case closed.

HD Goofnut · 09-24-2011, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

I know you're not dumb, dude. I read your reviews, and happen to like their balanced and intelligent reporting quite a bit; that's why I said I think you're smarter than that.

But it's not case closed. You know what you want and that's cool, but so do a lot of other people. There lies the argument, and the question is, how will the corporations that hold the keys to the shows we love react? They tend to give the people what they want, because they themselves want to make money. This is why we have the Predator travesty. This is why Lucas finally buckled under two decades of intense fan pressure and gave us the prequels. So no matter what side of the fence any of us falls on, we are in direct competition with the other. So it isn't case closed.

Then it's a good thing I am not a huge fan of TV shows. If we get ST: TNG in 1.33:1 then I should be fine for TV shows.

BouCoupDinkyDau · 09-24-2011, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Then it's a good thing I am not a huge fan of TV shows.

Me neither. I've only got four series I really want to own on blu:
ST: TNG, ST:TOS, The Twilight Zone, and I already own Battlestar Galatica.

RBBrittain · 09-24-2011, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

I think you're a lot smarter than that, Goofnut. I can't see you as a person who thinks that his opinion is the best and only opinion out there. I'm fine with you not wanting to entertain any changes to art, but I think you know that it's a very subjective thing that varies highly from person to person, so there are going to be lots of opinions on something like this.

All you have to do is go into the SW thread to see that.

There are still some people who think black bars means there's a problem with their TV; that's why you still see "fullscreen" movie DVDs to this day. However, with BD being aimed at 16:9 HDTVs, more people are seeing the light.

Cropping SDTV (4:3 or 1.33:1) or Academy-ratio (1.37:1) product to fill a 16:9 screen does even more injustice to the original image than pan-and-scan. Most widescreen film directors *not* named David Lean know their films will likely be panned-and-scanned at some point, and adjust accordingly--even though they definitely prefer OAR. OTOH, most directors of SDTV or Academy-ratio material never anticipated widescreen TVs or movie theaters; cropping them for 16:9 often removes critical visual information, especially tops of heads. (Just ask anyone who's seen the 1967 "widescreen" version of GWTW, which not only ruined the intended image but also made later Academy-ratio restorations more complicated.)

Just like TOS, TNG should be 4:3 OAR on BD. Period. End of discussion.

BouCoupDinkyDau · 09-24-2011, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RBBrittain

There are still some people who think black bars means there's a problem with their TV; that's why you still see "fullscreen" movie DVDs to this day. However, with BD being aimed at 16:9 HDTVs, more people are seeing the light.

I know! It's frakkin' crazy! It took me forever to get my mother to understand it.

I can't stand cropped films (unless it's some throw away rom com that I rented and will forget about 20mins later).

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Just like TOS, TNG should be 4:3 OAR on BD. Period. End of discussion.

Again, I disagree with this hard-line reasoning.

HD Goofnut · 09-24-2011, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Again, I disagree with this hard-line reasoning.

Then why even post in a HD forum? There is no compromise with OAR.

BouCoupDinkyDau · 09-24-2011, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Then why even post in a HD forum? There is no compromise with OAR.

Why should anyone post anything then? If not for discussions on difference of opinion, then why even have internet forums to begin with? While we're at it, how about closing down all bars as well. A couple of guys with different opinions have a few beers will have nothing to debate. In fact, let's shut down all forms of film altogether. Without opposing forces, there is no drama in film and thus no reason to create stories.

Life itself is a compromise.

Almost every blu you own is a compromise between modern restoration vs leaving everything as is.

This is a valid topic to debate.

42041 · 09-24-2011, 01:56 AM

Don't care about Star Trek, but the only AR modification I tolerate is when 1.85:1 movies are opened to 1.78:1 since it's a very slight difference. Cropping 1.33:1 for HDTV makes everything too tight and close. I'm sure the cinematographers were not randomly pulling lenses out of their bags, but had certain focal lengths in mind.

09-24-2011, 02:05 AM	#4
al cos. Senior Member Member since:Apr 2009	What if the show was shot both ways, with a potential overseas "movie" in mind? (usually 2 episodes stitched together) The original V miniseries was shot that way, even though the movie never happened. Supposedly DPs in the 70s/80s were often told to protect for either possibility (maybe after Duel and Battlestar Galactica, I don't know).

09-24-2011, 01:56 AM	#12
42041 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Oct 2008	Don't care about Star Trek, but the only AR modification I tolerate is when 1.85:1 movies are opened to 1.78:1 since it's a very slight difference. Cropping 1.33:1 for HDTV makes everything too tight and close. I'm sure the cinematographers were not randomly pulling lenses out of their bags, but had certain focal lengths in mind.

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