Bad Mix: Blu-ray DVDs on Plasma TV

[Polyh3dron]

Originally Posted by nobody

Widescreen format is for people who have a 4:3 TV. It will add black bars on the bottom to give you the widescreen effect.
If you already have a 16:9 aspect TV, then you'll want to get a fullscreen version.

Have you tried watching a "Fullscreen" DVD on a 16:9 TV? Do it and then tell me what you see, and apologize for being an idiot.

[john_1958]

Originally Posted by nobody

Widescreen format is for people who have a 4:3 TV. It will add black bars on the bottom to give you the widescreen effect.
If you already have a 16:9 aspect TV, then you'll want to get a fullscreen version.

Fullscreen cuts off the sides of a movie so your missing 2 3rds of a movie nobody has put up with that garbage

[sokrman14]

It seems that not many people here know a whole lot about the advancements of plasma technology. The time it will take for those bars to burn into your screen would be about a 7 hour movie, and even then most plasmas have a pixel shift to correct that so that burn in does not occur. If you have a new plasma there is not much to worry about since you most likely do not watch a seven hour straight movie. Also there are ways to actually fix minor burn in, for example on a samsung plasma they have a "screen bleach" which will put a white screen up and basically bleach the screen and fix minor burn in problems. There was also a guy who said bluray and panasonic didn't look good together, and thats because although panasonic is the best selling plasma, it isn't the best plasma.

[john_1958]

Originally Posted by sokrman14

It seems that not many people here know a whole lot about the advancements of plasma technology. The time it will take for those bars to burn into your screen would be about a 7 hour movie, and even then most plasmas have a pixel shift to correct that so that burn in does not occur. If you have a new plasma there is not much to worry about since you most likely do not watch a seven hour straight movie. Also there are ways to actually fix minor burn in, for example on a samsung plasma they have a "screen bleach" which will put a white screen up and basically bleach the screen and fix minor burn in problems. There was also a guy who said bluray and panasonic didn't look good together, and thats because although panasonic is the best selling plasma, it isn't the best plasma.

Then which plasma is best for watching? since some don't have non pixal stick
like LG 70"

[DavePS3]

The 71" LG has the XD Engine. Part of that engine, are three ways to combat burn-in. One is a white-wash, another is the inverter (blacks to whites, whites to black like a negative) and the third one is an orbiter. It very slowly and very slightly moves the whole image around on the screen.

[HDTV1080P]

1080P Plasma’s have beautiful pictures that are better quality then LCD wall displays. Pioneer makes great quality 1080P plasma’s. The problem with CRT screens and Plasma is that you risk burn in if you are going to watch stuff in the original movie ratio or watch a lot of CNN or FOX NEWS with station logo's burning in. In the PRO-FHD1 owners manual Pioneer several times warns people to use the Plasma screen correctly to prevent permit burring of the florescent materials.

Electronic manual page numbers in the Pioneer PRO-FHD1 that mentions the burn in issue.

Page 8 (The entire page one of the manual talks about burn in issues)
Page 22
Page 23
Page 38

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pi...structions.pdf


Some quotes from Pioneer manual

“If the above screen sizes are displayed continuously for several hours, or for shorter periods of time over several days, a permanent after-image may remain on the screen due to burning of the fluorescent materials.”

Another quote
“If the same image is displayed continuously for several hours, or for shorter periods of time over several days, permanent after image may remain on the screen due to burring of the florescent materials. Such images may become less noticeable if moving images are later displayed, but they will not disappear completely.”

[sokrman14]

Audioholics did a recent review on the Panasonic 50" 1080p professional plasma, which can also be for consumer use. He left his computer without a screen saver on it over night, and had not even a trace of burn in. It is just something that people look into too much. A movie will not be a problem, nor will a videogame. Get a good name brand and you will have no problem, not crap like vizio or funai or sampo.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by sokrman14

Audioholics did a recent review on the Panasonic 50" 1080p professional plasma, which can also be for consumer use. He left his computer without a screen saver on it over night, and had not even a trace of burn in. It is just something that people look into too much. A movie will not be a problem, nor will a videogame. Get a good name brand and you will have no problem, not crap like vizio or funai or sampo.

Panasonic currently only makes a 720P 50 inch Plasma, you must be talking about the 65 inch 1080P? Unless they just released a new model that is not on their website yet?

I agree new Plasma’s like the Pioneer and Panasonic have less of a problem with “after image” or burn in”. On page 3 of the Panasonic manual it says

“Do not display a still picture for a long time. This causes the image to remain on the plasma screen (“after image’). This is not considered a malfunction and is not covered by the warranty.”
Also Panasonic in other placed in the manual warns against watching stuff with black bars for too long. The TH-65PX600U has a larger screen then the 50 inch Pioneer but the contrast ratio is not as good as the Pioneer. Panasonic contrast ratio is only 5,000:1 compared to 10,000:1 on the Pioneer. Pioneer also has 1080P/24 input with 72HZ refresh. If I was in the market for a new Plasma it would be Pioneers 1080P model which also is $2,000 cheaper then the Panasonic.
For those people that watch a lot of TV with several different ratio’s with black bars SXRD, LCOS, and DLP front or rear projectors are ideal. Also LCD screens don’t have a burn in problem.

Panasonic TH-65PX600U manual link

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs...1&displayTab=R

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by sokrman14

Audioholics did a recent review on the Panasonic 50" 1080p professional plasma, which can also be for consumer use. He left his computer without a screen saver on it over night, and had not even a trace of burn in. It is just something that people look into too much. A movie will not be a problem, nor will a videogame. Get a good name brand and you will have no problem, not crap like vizio or funai or sampo.

Yes, your right Panasonic just came out with a new 50 inch 1080P model. Here is the review if anyone is interested.

http://www.audioholics.com/productre...80p-plasma.php

[KenThompson]

We seem to be going over this topic over and over again. Dvds have been widescreen for years so should be use to it.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by KenThompson

We seem to be going over this topic over and over again. Dvds have been widescreen for years so should be use to it.

Your right every since 480I DVD movies were released in 1997 most of them were in the original ratio. Unless one owns one of the new Runco front projectors all displays will have black bars on the screen for many movies to maintain the original ratio intended by the director. People hopefully will get use to black bars on the right and left sides of the screen when they watch 4:3 material and black bars on the top and bottom of the screen when watching any movie shot wider then 16:9. The average consumer will just need further education. People that want to ruin the movie watching experience in their home can always do a zoom to make part of the original image disappear so that black bars are no longer there.
This is one of the main reasons I don’t like CRT and Plasma’s. I always want to watch stuff in the original ratio the director filmed the movie in. I hate stretching the 4:3 image or zooming a 2:35:1 so that it fits in a 16:9 screen ratio.

[john_1958]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Your right every since 480I DVD movies were released in 1997 most of them were in the original ratio. Unless one owns one of the new Runco front projectors all displays will have black bars on the screen for many movies to maintain the original ratio intended by the director. People hopefully will get use to black bars on the right and left sides of the screen when they watch 4:3 material and black bars on the top and bottom of the screen when watching any movie shot wider then 16:9. The average consumer will just need further education. People that want to ruin the movie watching experience in their home can always do a zoom to make part of the original image disappear so that black bars are no longer there.
This is one of the main reasons I don’t like CRT and Plasma’s. I always want to watch stuff in the original ratio the director filmed the movie in. I hate stretching the 4:3 image or zooming a 2:35:1 so that it fits in a 16:9 screen ratio.

it's always weird people watch 4x3 dvds
Crt tvs show hd better then plasma

[john_1958]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Yes, your right Panasonic just came out with a new 50 inch 1080P model. Here is the review if anyone is interested.

http://www.audioholics.com/productre...80p-plasma.php

reviews are weird especially from magazines they're based on people who can't configure tv screens

[PlayStationGuy]

Hi, new member here.

After finding this link thanks to Google and reading through, I couldn't help but post a reply. First and foremost, I feel some of you have been a little unfair to the original poster (I think his nick was Plasmaguy or something sorry!). I had also before reading these posts and learning the difference was also wondering why so many movies were in the 2.40:1 view. Now I understand as I am sure he does, but it couldn't have hurt for a few of you to be slightly more polite about it. He was genuinely concerned over the proper use of his plasma television and the possible consequences for repeatedly viewing movies in formats larger than 2.40:1 for which to anyone who doesn't understand that 2.40:1 offers better viewing, it is a good question to ask.

Not sure which plasma he owns, but I myself bought a plasma (actually I've owned two) and I will tell you there is not an LCD around that can compare picture quality to the rich colours, deep blacks and the superior contrast of a good plasma. That's not speculation, boys and girls - it's fact. On the purchase of my second set I did consider buying an LCD but after becoming accustomed to Samsung plasmas I decided not to switch. I was looking for a television that could compare with my Samsung HPT4264 and came home with a model down - the HPT4254, to which I have no complaints. Yes, it is a 720p native television that will accept an 1080i signal BUT the picture is simply amazing on this television even more so than a 1080p television that was being showcased below it for more money. 15,000:1 contrast ratio, great burn-in protection, filterbright, 3 HDMI ports, Film Mode, Game Mode, etc. etc. Anyone who has doubts do your research and you will find this television among the top 10 plasmas.

I'm concerned that consumers are not well informed about plasmas and that LCDs are being introduced to address burn-in issues, because picture-wise plasmas ARE superior. Not to say I'd like to see LCD fail, but it would be a shame to one day see plasmas have stopped being manufactured over disinformation and consumer confusion. Plasma HDTVs today are less suseptible to screen burn-in and usually come equipped with various technologies to prevent/correct this issue. It isn't really that big of a deal anymore. I've heard salesmen tell customers that plasmas are not recommended as "gaming televisions" which I think is a crock of bull. A decent plasma will not give you the blur effect that an LCD will during fast motion and the excellent picture quality will give your games a more realistic quality. I bought my PlayStation 3 for my HPT4254 and both games and Blu-rays look absolutely stunning. In the case that I have just finished watching a 2.40:1 format movie and am preparing to watch another one (although rare but it might happen) I simply go into my Screen Burn-in Protection list and select Scrolling for a few minutes and PRESTO! No burn-in. I haven't had any issues with burn-in and video games thus far and I use my plasma for PS2/PS3 games, watching movies, surfing the internet, watching YouTube, etc. etc. Just remember like with any television, to maintain it properly and you should do well. Don't display static images on the screen for hours at a time.

Thanks for reading!

PlayStationGuy
(and no I am not affiliated with PlayStation, I am just a fan!)

[BTS11]

Originally Posted by PlayStationGuy

Hi, new member here.

After finding this link thanks to Google and reading through, I couldn't help but post a reply. First and foremost, I feel some of you have been a little unfair to the original poster (I think his nick was Plasmaguy or something sorry!). I had also before reading these posts and learning the difference was also wondering why so many movies were in the 2.40:1 view. Now I understand as I am sure he does, but it couldn't have hurt for a few of you to be slightly more polite about it. He was genuinely concerned over the proper use of his plasma television and the possible consequences for repeatedly viewing movies in formats larger than 2.40:1 for which to anyone who doesn't understand that 2.40:1 offers better viewing, it is a good question to ask.

Not sure which plasma he owns, but I myself bought a plasma (actually I've owned two) and I will tell you there is not an LCD around that can compare picture quality to the rich colours, deep blacks and the superior contrast of a good plasma. That's not speculation, boys and girls - it's fact. On the purchase of my second set I did consider buying an LCD but after becoming accustomed to Samsung plasmas I decided not to switch. I was looking for a television that could compare with my Samsung HPT4264 and came home with a model down - the HPT4254, to which I have no complaints. Yes, it is a 720p native television that will accept an 1080i signal BUT the picture is simply amazing on this television even more so than a 1080p television that was being showcased below it for more money. 15,000:1 contrast ratio, great burn-in protection, filterbright, 3 HDMI ports, Film Mode, Game Mode, etc. etc. Anyone who has doubts do your research and you will find this television among the top 10 plasmas.

I'm concerned that consumers are not well informed about plasmas and that LCDs are being introduced to address burn-in issues, because picture-wise plasmas ARE superior. Not to say I'd like to see LCD fail, but it would be a shame to one day see plasmas have stopped being manufactured over disinformation and consumer confusion. Plasma HDTVs today are less suseptible to screen burn-in and usually come equipped with various technologies to prevent/correct this issue. It isn't really that big of a deal anymore. I've heard salesmen tell customers that plasmas are not recommended as "gaming televisions" which I think is a crock of bull. A decent plasma will not give you the blur effect that an LCD will during fast motion and the excellent picture quality will give your games a more realistic quality. I bought my PlayStation 3 for my HPT4254 and both games and Blu-rays look absolutely stunning. In the case that I have just finished watching a 2.40:1 format movie and am preparing to watch another one (although rare but it might happen) I simply go into my Screen Burn-in Protection list and select Scrolling for a few minutes and PRESTO! No burn-in. I haven't had any issues with burn-in and video games thus far and I use my plasma for PS2/PS3 games, watching movies, surfing the internet, watching YouTube, etc. etc. Just remember like with any television, to maintain it properly and you should do well. Don't display static images on the screen for hours at a time.

Thanks for reading!

PlayStationGuy
(and no I am not affiliated with PlayStation, I am just a fan!)

The only issue is that the burn-in correction functions on plasmas do decrease the lifespan of the TV. The more you use them, over and over the more likely your TV will die before it's time. This is what I've been told by not only a buddy who works at a manufacturer, but also a theater installation specialist who sets up high end systems for celebs and rich folk. me personally i don't care. plasma, LCD both have their pros and cons. I'd buy either. I selected an LCD xbr3 when i got my latest set, based on performance and price.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by BTBuck1

Burn in is still a problem with these plasma TV's and the black bars will cause uneven wear on the phospors. I owned a plasma for a couple of years and while I never had anything permanent, i had hundreds of temp burns...turning the tv off does not eliminate it...varied watching does.

We have permanently ruined several sets at Best Buy, mostly Pioneer sets just from the station icons during the loop/feed. You can see ESPNHD burned in on one pioneer and a compilation of several ghosted in images on another. We tryed moving the set to a dedicated hometheatre setup up and while it did fade away mostly, it was still there.

Even LCD tv's can be burned in, despite popular belief...it just takes extreme irresponisbility and time to do so.

as a former owner of a plasma...i do not reccomend the technology to anyone who wants more than 2 years of good PQ out of their purchase. These things fade out quickly. Initially they are show stoppers, but quickly become very flat and washed out even when calibrated off the factory torch modes.

As long as you have your set out of the box switched to custom mode with low contrast and low brightness and spend the first 150-200 hours with either stretched 4:3 source or a widescreen source with no logos, you'll not experience burn in outside of leaving a video game on pause while going away for the weekend.

If you were to set your contrast and brightness to 50/100 or less and play the plasma break-in dvd through five time, you'll have a properly broken in set and can treat it like you would any CRT television.

The break-in dvd is free and available here in VIDEO_TS, .ISO or .NRG formats - http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloa...nload_main.htm

The new 77U series from Panasonic have increased their ratings from 60,000 hours to half brightness to 100,000 hours.

I would recommend either the 77U line from Panny or the KURO line from Pioneer to anyone looking for the best picture with the best motion resolution and best blacks any day of the week.

Never buy a floor model though.

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by john_1958

Been to local hometheatre store who has Panasonic plasma with blu-ray not a good combination
there was no depth in the video it just bore me to tears

Thats nonsense. I have the 50" Panasonic and the picture quality is amazing. They may not have had it set up correctly.

[finalfantasy]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Burn in on plasma is not a problem anymore. If you bought your tv within the last two years or so you shouldn't be experiencing any burn in that can't be fixed by turning the tv off for two minutes.
Also, the black bars are "black" which means they won't burn in anyway.

Thanks for your input...I second your post!

First of all, what you hear at BB and everywhere else is "you won't have burn-ins with LCDs but plasmas will have burn-ins so don't play games on it"...and now, there are far more LCDs than plasmas everywhere...I don't care as long as there are great HDTVs, LCD/OLED/Plasma what have you, however, I don't want to see people not buying Plasmas because of misinformation or ignorance.

Secondly, I exclusively use my plasma for PS3/BRay experience because quite frankly, my LCD just isn't up to snuff when it comes to PQ...and I prefer the 2.4:1 aspect...it's the way the movies were meant to be enjoyed...

Third, if you think 2 hours of movie watching with black bars on top and bottom of the screen is going to cause a burn in, well, you should have stuck with CRTs...

Bottom line, you did not make a mistake in my opinion...your title is definitely just plain stupid since you are TRYING to say that 2.4 aspect on Plasma TV is a bad mix...which has nothing to do with format of the HDef media...posting something like this or going around saying this to your friends and co-workers is how BRay loses two to three potential new Blu blood...

[finalfantasy]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

Thats nonsense. I have the 50" Panasonic and the picture quality is amazing. They may not have had it set up correctly.

Perhaps they were not using HDMI...it is Walmart afterall...I would not be surprised if they had regular DVD in the player...

My next purchase is going to be another Plasma...bottom line, unless you have viewed BRay movies or played games on 50" Plasmas, you don't know what your are missing and you certainly don't know what you are talking about...

All I know is, Spiderman 3, Ghost Rider, and Casino Royale looked so much better than the theater versions, I will stop going to big screens all together and wait for BRay release...

[The Don]

Originally Posted by PlayStationGuy

Hi, new member here.

After finding this link thanks to Google and reading through, I couldn't help but post a reply. First and foremost, I feel some of you have been a little unfair to the original poster (I think his nick was Plasmaguy or something sorry!). I had also before reading these posts and learning the difference was also wondering why so many movies were in the 2.40:1 view. Now I understand as I am sure he does, but it couldn't have hurt for a few of you to be slightly more polite about it. He was genuinely concerned over the proper use of his plasma television and the possible consequences for repeatedly viewing movies in formats larger than 2.40:1 for which to anyone who doesn't understand that 2.40:1 offers better viewing, it is a good question to ask.

Not sure which plasma he owns, but I myself bought a plasma (actually I've owned two) and I will tell you there is not an LCD around that can compare picture quality to the rich colours, deep blacks and the superior contrast of a good plasma. That's not speculation, boys and girls - it's fact. On the purchase of my second set I did consider buying an LCD but after becoming accustomed to Samsung plasmas I decided not to switch. I was looking for a television that could compare with my Samsung HPT4264 and came home with a model down - the HPT4254, to which I have no complaints. Yes, it is a 720p native television that will accept an 1080i signal BUT the picture is simply amazing on this television even more so than a 1080p television that was being showcased below it for more money. 15,000:1 contrast ratio, great burn-in protection, filterbright, 3 HDMI ports, Film Mode, Game Mode, etc. etc. Anyone who has doubts do your research and you will find this television among the top 10 plasmas.

I'm concerned that consumers are not well informed about plasmas and that LCDs are being introduced to address burn-in issues, because picture-wise plasmas ARE superior. Not to say I'd like to see LCD fail, but it would be a shame to one day see plasmas have stopped being manufactured over disinformation and consumer confusion. Plasma HDTVs today are less suseptible to screen burn-in and usually come equipped with various technologies to prevent/correct this issue. It isn't really that big of a deal anymore. I've heard salesmen tell customers that plasmas are not recommended as "gaming televisions" which I think is a crock of bull. A decent plasma will not give you the blur effect that an LCD will during fast motion and the excellent picture quality will give your games a more realistic quality. I bought my PlayStation 3 for my HPT4254 and both games and Blu-rays look absolutely stunning. In the case that I have just finished watching a 2.40:1 format movie and am preparing to watch another one (although rare but it might happen) I simply go into my Screen Burn-in Protection list and select Scrolling for a few minutes and PRESTO! No burn-in. I haven't had any issues with burn-in and video games thus far and I use my plasma for PS2/PS3 games, watching movies, surfing the internet, watching YouTube, etc. etc. Just remember like with any television, to maintain it properly and you should do well. Don't display static images on the screen for hours at a time.

Thanks for reading!

PlayStationGuy
(and no I am not affiliated with PlayStation, I am just a fan!)

exactly...the whole thing with plasma's that I thought was common knowledge is "they have superior PQto LCD" and they "have a shorter shelf life than LCD"

it's not as black and white as that...(or maybe it is?)...but it's an easy way to explain it...