The Criterion Collection

[rkish]

Originally Posted by ParticleDan

Lots of info about the problem in this thread:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-mo...15-review.html

Here's a summary:

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
White -- The "glitch" here is far more complicated than what has been said thus far. The problem is definitely with the manner the audio track is encoded/decoded. If you bitstream, and I do, the two-channel split is as it should be. The problem is with the Pro-Logic encoding which can only be identified if you do not bitstream. In other words, you do have to go into your set-up and do the necessary adjustments. The fact remains that it would have been a lot easier to have the surround track made to work with bitstraming (or compromise somehow). As it is, anyone that bitstreams and gets a perfect two-channel split would assume that the presentation is fine. And White is the most problematic of the three films because there is hardly any surround activity there.

So according to Pro-B...the problem is only noticeable, if you bitstream. I use analog outs on my Panny BD player...maybe that's why I haven't noticed the audio issue?

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by SpiderBaby

No, Thank you. Each person helps that much more. I hope this guy gets this moving.

Another log on the fire...

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

Another log on the fire...

Thanks alot.



I can't believe my request for Olympia started all this discussion. Isn't all the R1 dvds crap? I thought they were all public domain type releases. Either way, Criterion has released it before (thank fdm) and highly rumored to release it on dvd for the longest time now.

[rkish]

Originally Posted by SpiderBaby

No, Thank you. Each person helps that much more. I hope this guy gets this moving.

No...thank you! For sticking the title of this film in my head!

As per my comment on the petition page...look at all the people involved with this film!

[greekak229]

Originally Posted by Narcissus

HA!

if it's voluntary , then that isn't, and shouldn't be an issue.

I'd let Polanski take my girlfriend if it got me a part in a movie, or just, like, a free movie bundle or something. Luckily I don't have one, so she's safe.

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by rkish

No...thank you! For sticking the title of this film in my head!

As per my comment on the petition page...look at all the people involved with this film!

Thanks for helping out rkish. The film is great, even on a vhs or dvd-r (I have no idea where the dvd-r transfer came from but it's widescreen). Hopefully we can finally have this movie released.

[greekak229]

I also like how Criterion doesn't put Soderbergh's name on the front cover of their releases for him. They're probably bitter about that whole Solaris remake thing.

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by SpiderBaby

Thanks alot.

I can't believe my request for Olympia started all this discussion. Isn't all the R1 dvds crap? I thought they were all public domain type releases. Either way, Criterion has released it before (thank fdm) and highly rumored to release it on dvd for the longest time now.

As much as anything, I'm just plain curious. I haven't seen Hopper's The Last Movie since its original (and very brief) theatrical run. Although I remember the polarized and often venomous reviews at the time, I don't recall feeling that way myself. It wasn't an easy film, but nevertheless interesting. If Criterion does take it on, inclusion of its companion making-of documentary American Dreamer is a must.

Village Voice retrospective review of The Last Movie.

The Film Talk retrospective review of The Last Movie and American Dreamer.

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

If Criterion does take it on, inclusion of its companion making-of documentary American Dreamer is a must.

Oh, without a doubt.

BTW, anybody that is up to watching full length movies on youtube and don't have the vhs/a dvd-r, both The Last Movie and The American Dreamer are on there:

The Last Movie (1971) - YouTube

Well, I can't find The American Dreamer at the moment.

[Darkcritic]

Originally Posted by SpiderBaby

So anybody that wants to help, you can sign it too. I figure I will help him out by posting it here, since I want it released as well.

http://www.change.org/petitions/the-...the-last-movie

Signed ! Let's hope this petition goes forward .

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by Darkcritic

Signed ! Let's hope this petition goes forward .

Thanks again for the help. I should of made my own petition, but glad that this person did.

Edit: It's going to be hard to reach 5,000.

[Narcissus]

Originally Posted by Guitar Joe

Why did they take a picture of Traffic sitting on top of a dirty diaper?

That Is Not Obregón Brothers' Cocaine.

Originally Posted by greekak229

I'd let Polanski take my girlfriend if it got me a part in a movie, or just, like, a free movie bundle or something. Luckily I don't have one, so she's safe.

[Berting]

Does anybody know if this is true. I went to my local Best Buy looking for 12 Angry Men in BD, and was told by a clerk that Best Buy no longer orders Criterion Collection discs. This would be a bad move on the part of BB.

[Darkcritic]

Originally Posted by Berting

Does anybody know if this is true. I went to my local Best Buy looking for 12 Angry Men in BD, and was told by a clerk that Best Buy no longer orders Criterion Collection discs. This would be a bad move on the part of BB.

I bought a copy of 12 Angry Men a week ago at Best Buy. They have some Criterion in stock, even recent releases like The Lady Vanishes so I doubt it .

[TylerDurden]

So does anyone know which version is on the Olympia LD? I would hate to watch an edited version of anything. I'm surprised Riefenstahl kowtowed to have her film shown. As she has often been quoted as say the 1930's were "the good old days".

[Roy Batty]

Originally Posted by ParticleDan

Thought I'd share this email from "Jon Mulvaney" in regards to the replacement program for Three Colors: White


Hello and Happy New Year,

Good news! We are glad to report we've received the corrected WHITE
disc. We will be exchanging the Blu-ray discs directly from our New
York office. Please send your WHITE disc, disc only please, to my
attention at the address below. With the disc, please include your
email address and postal address. Please do not include any
packaging with your disc. When we receive your disc, we will send you
the corrected copy and a $10 gift certificate to Criterion.com! Thank
you for your patience while we were sorting out this audio
issue! Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns, and thank
you for supporting Criterion!

Best,

Jon

Originally Posted by retablo

Where's the address?

Here:

The Criterion Collection
Attn: Jon Mulvaney
215 Park Avenue South
Floor 5
New York, NY 10003

I've got the same e-mail. No mention of the CARLOS audio or the THREE COLORS: BLUE framing issues, though.

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by TylerDurden

So does anyone know which version is on the Olympia LD? I would hate to watch an edited version of anything. I'm surprised Riefenstahl kowtowed to have her film shown. As she has often been quoted as say the 1930's were "the good old days".

Not sure if scenes are cut in the LD at this moment, but I have read that the transfer looks as good if not better than the Pathfinder DVD (which is said to be the best R1 dvd around, because everything else is dvd-r. Not saying much because the image looks like crap on any dvd you will find of Olympia). Just another reason why this needs a restoration.

For such great imagery, versions of this film on dvds sure suck.

But back to your question, everything I have read about the LD doesn't have anything about "censored" or "cut". I know copies shown in Germany are "cut", so you might be fine with the LD. Remember, whatever you are watching, will most likely be what everyone else has seen (from the LD or the Pathfinder release, etc.), so don't feel too bad if this is edited.

[BohemianGraham]

Originally Posted by Narcissus

don't feel bad about that.

Admitting you're a Polanski fan to certain circles is akin to saying you're a pedophiliac rapist, who hates Baby Jesus, and kicks puppies. For the record, I happen to enjoy Polanski's films.

Originally Posted by retablo

The majority of the cuts in the theatrical are from the last half of the long version (IMO the best half)... so you'd do well to see the complete version as it was intended. The first 90 minutes are my least favorite.

I readily admit that the first hour or so of the theatrical was boring, and I was just about ready to give it the write-off, but then it picked up and held my interest for the rest of it. As I said, I will be trying to watch it again, and may order it during the next B&N 50% off sale depending on how much of my other first tier wishlist titles get cleared out before then.

Originally Posted by retablo

It's about what Amazon sells them for. It's still cheaper than Criterion's site.

You're forgetting that people expect to be able to buy Criterions for 10 bucks, as they're really only worth that, and anything more is a crime against humanity. You're just as bad as those Roman Polanski fans who are pedophiliac rapists that hate Baby Jesus and kick puppies.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by BohemianGraham

You're forgetting that people expect to be able to buy Criterions for 10 bucks, as they're really only worth that, and anything more is a crime against humanity. You're just as bad as those Roman Polanski fans who are pedophiliac rapists that hate Baby Jesus and kick puppies.

Oh yeah, my bad Also, I love Polanski.

[BohemianGraham]

Originally Posted by retablo

Oh yeah, my bad Also, I love Polanski.

I do too, see my first comment. People just assume you are a horrible person for liking his movies, because he is a horrible, horrible kiddie diddler and should be executed. You really need to read Fark.com anytime a Polanski thread shows up, it's hilariously sad with the amount of hate towards Polanski because of that incident. I don't condone it, and think it was bad, but people need to give it up already.