4K Blu-ray content on the horizon?

[Steedeel]

I expect 4k media to be introduced with the PS4 (probably Christmas 2013, early 2014.) I also expect another format war with Blu versus RED all over again. If this is the last generation of optical media, it is going to be some swan song. 4k tv, 4k players, lovely full 3D films/games and hopefully a nice 4k headset/visor from Sony! Consider me sold! All the village idiots can watch their streamed crap on their smartphones and tablets, i will be playing to a different tune.

[Trekkie313]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I expect 4k media to be introduced with the PS4 (probably Christmas 2013, early 2014.) I also expect another format war with Blu versus RED all over again. If this is the last generation of optical media, it is going to be some swan song. 4k tv, 4k players, lovely full 3D films/games and hopefully a nice 4k headset/visor from Sony! Consider me sold! All the village idiots can watch their streamed crap on their smartphones and tablets, i will be playing to a different tune.

Of course we all know, Red is the color of Communists!

[Jimmy Smith]

Im skeptical we will see 4k discs in 2013. For Blu-Ray 3D for example the first discs arrived on the market in June 2010 roughly two years after Panasonic submitted there proposal for a standard and that required no new codec or disc structure two things 4k discs will require.

So many questions need to be answered. How will it achieve the needed capacity? What will the format be called? What new codecs will be used? Lots of questions and in order to avoid another messy format war the tech companies are going to have to come to a concensus. That will require time. Id rather 4k discs get delayed for a single unified format then launch earlier and deal with another format war

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

So many questions need to be answered.

Hardly.

How will it achieve the needed capacity?

Better compression and with higher capacity Blu-ray discs.

What will the format be called?

Blu-ray. (Possibly like 3D, and Blu-ray 3D, it will have an abbreviation to specify 4K/Ultra HD, etc).

What new codecs will be used?

The current consensus is that HVEC will be standardized by the industry.

Lots of questions and in order to avoid another messy format war the tech companies are going to have to come to a concensus.

There is no need for a war and the industry is way ahead of the phase that had Blu-ray facing HDDVD. The format that will be used for 4K will be Blu-ray.

That will require time.

Since manufacturers are already openly mentioning preliminary street dates, it appears that you are wrong.

Id rather 4k discs get delayed for a single unified format then launch earlier and deal with another format war

This is nonsense. No one is talking about alternatives, wars, etc. The current negotiations are about agreeing on spec updates for Blu-ray's tech portfolio.

Pro-B

[Exile]

Are there going to be 200 GB Blu Ray discs to go along with them? Overcompressed 100 GB BDXL 2k won't be much of a bump.

[Gradius2]

200GB discs are 2006's technology:
http://www.slashgear.com/tdk-shows-o...y-disc-011390/

Why to stop at 200GB?
http://www.digitaltrends.com/computi...a-single-disc/

[PRO-630HD]

I really think something along the lines of a 3X the capacity of current bluray discs is needed so 75gb at least for bare bones discs and 150gb as a max capacity disc at a minimum. 200gb would be better but I don't know if really needed.

Aren't 100gb blurays already on the market for recording purposes?

Granted no format war needed, Toshiba is apparently pushing 4K bluray as well. There is a considerable amount of content on the market for 4K already by all major studios as they have done 4K masters for numerous films for thier blurays. This is easily already in the 300-500 title range. Spare me the studios won't release their pristine 4K masters argument as it is horrendously invalid. Studios since 2006 have been releasing thier pristine 2K studio masters in many films where only a 2K DI exists. This applies to many films from 2000-2010. The copy you have at home is the identical pristine master they have at the studio. Penton-man has already totally derailed that argument.

The real question remains just how much of an upgrade it will be? Seeing Star Wars 77 on bluray I wasn't exactly blown away. The dvd was stunning but then again it came from an HD master! If the bluray came from a 4K master I am sure it would have stunned as well. IMO 4K masters used on bluray easily outshine thier 2K or HD counterparts. Very few 4K blurays will come from a 6K or 8K master. It will be a niche format much like laserdisc with glasses free HD and the best PQ available I am sure I will jump on the bandwagon.

Anamorphic 21:9 4K bluray won't happen as it simply won't deliver 5,120 pixels across the screen. Now I must say I would prefer it's native 17:9 aspect ratio similiar to the current projectors on the market, in cinemas and on the 152 in. Panasonic. It simply works better for film and many films are simply cropped from 2K to 1.9K. The native aspect ratio would avoid all that and offer a little wider picture which would be new and cool.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

I really think something along the lines of a 3X the capacity of current bluray discs is needed so 75gb at least for bare bones discs and 150gb as a max capacity disc at a minimum. 200gb would be better but I don't know if really needed.

Aren't 100gb blurays already on the market for recording purposes?

Granted no format war needed, Toshiba is apparently pushing 4K bluray as well. There is a considerable amount of content on the market for 4K already by all major studios as they have done 4K masters for numerous films for thier blurays. This is easily already in the 300-500 title range. Spare me the studios won't release their pristine 4K masters argument as it is horrendously invalid. Studios since 2006 have been releasing thier pristine 2K studio masters in many films where only a 2K DI exists. This applies to many films from 2000-2010. The copy you have at home is the identical pristine master they have at the studio. Penton-man has already totally derailed that argument.

The real question remains just how much of an upgrade it will be? Seeing Star Wars 77 on bluray I wasn't exactly blown away. The dvd was stunning but then again it came from an HD master! If the bluray came from a 4K master I am sure it would have stunned as well. IMO 4K masters used on bluray easily outshine thier 2K or HD counterparts. Very few 4K blurays will come from a 6K or 8K master. It will be a niche format much like laserdisc with glasses free HD and the best PQ available I am sure I will jump on the bandwagon.

Anamorphic 21:9 4K bluray won't happen as it simply won't deliver 5,120 pixels across the screen. Now I must say I would prefer it's native 17:9 aspect ratio similiar to the current projectors on the market, in cinemas and on the 152 in. Panasonic. It simply works better for film and many films are simply cropped from 2K to 1.9K. The native aspect ratio would avoid all that and offer a little wider picture which would be new and cool.

I thought RED were planning some 4k media?