81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[jkcheng122]

anyone here know what happened to rdjam at AVS after the Warner announcement? Lee Stewart pretty much only make posts about download medias now.

[Razzy]

Originally Posted by jkcheng122

anyone here know what happened to rdjam at AVS after the Warner announcement? Lee Stewart pretty much only make posts about download medias now.

Guess he rode off into the sunset. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by jkcheng122

until Ken Graffeo admits defeat, i think we can continue accusing him, not the red boys, of being so stupid they think every 1% is a major victory.

I agree and disagree at the same time.

Ken Graffeo is one of the main reasons why folks on the HD-DVD side look like complete tools.

However, the choice is still there for the HD-DVD folks to look at things rationally, or continue to look like complete tools.

Like the folks who're clinging to the fact that HD-DVD can turn this around with sales of stand alone players when the stand alone players during December and since have failed quite miserably compared to Blu-Ray stand alone players.

It's like trying to convince a mama's boy about what's going on in the real world, the only way they can determine that is by finding out for themselves.

Logan

[Knight-Errant]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

True, but in this case it's not so much that someone told them their religious believe was wrong, it's that there's verifiable proof that their believe IS wrong.

Yeah notice how the flat earth believers don't engage in open debate very often.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Razzy

Guess he rode off into the sunset. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

He ended up over at High Def Digest dot com for awhile posting as HD-Now.

Logan

[blindcat87]

He still posts editorials on his happy little petition site. Somebody linked to a story as proof that HD DVD was going to make a comeback from a red thread on one of those other boards and since I failed to recognize the URL, I clicked to follow the insipidness to its root. It took me less than two lines to realize which site I was on and who was the author of the disjointed ranting on what fools Warner Bros were and how the price cuts and deals to bring new studios aboard were going to change the playing field.

There have been a lot of jokes about his state of mind, but I really am beginning to wonder if this is not really a mentally ill person. If not, his capacity for self delusion has to at least be borderline psychotic.

Of course, it could also be that continuing to post positive info is the only way he can continue collecting a paycheck and to do that requires ignoring certain facts and realities.

Chris

Originally Posted by jadedeath

He ended up over at High Def Digest dot com for awhile posting as HD-Now.

Logan

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Knight-Errant

Yeah notice how the flat earth believers don't engage in open debate very often.

Yeah but to your average HD-DVD fan, the world IS flat, backwards is forward, love is hate, {that's evidenced by the hypocrites that stated that they would follow Warner in their decision but didn't do jack when the bomb was dropped} black is white and dogs and cats are best friends.

Asinine stupidity at it's worst.

Logan

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by blindcat87

He still posts editorials on his happy little petition site. Somebody linked to a story as proof that HD DVD was going to make a comeback from a red thread on one of those other boards and since I failed to recognize the URL, I clicked to follow the insipidness to its root. It took me less than two lines to realize which site I was on and who was the author of the disjointed ranting on what fools Warner Bros were and how the price cuts and deals to bring new studios aboard were going to change the playing field.
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Yeah, quoting his site in a link saying that HD-DVD is going to make a comeback is FAR worse than linking a blog, unless it's linking Ken Graffeo's blog, then it's just humorous.

Logan

[reider]

Originally Posted by LynxFX

They don't announce numbers because there isn't anything special about them. When we do get an announcement it is usually because records are being broke, or it is a new best for the company. The numbers for the new releases of late are low, but we don't know how low. Probably below 30-40k each for the top 1-5 with a couple showing good legs like Yuma.

All we need to know is that the numbers are much higher than any of the HD DVD releases.

There is truly nothing special about them. This week there was an additional 12% drop in blu-ray sales volume after the last week's 38% drop. I really hope it's just a "post holiday" slowdown and not a part of a trend. Where is Fozziwig anyway... he was suppose to confirm (or refute) my calculations. Anybody else is up for the task? Any math geeks out there?

This is not ALL we need to know. Even 99:1 ratio has no meaning what so ever if the volume is very low. It will also be a Toshiba's win if HDM (blu-ray) does not go mainstream - it will keep their DVD revenue intact.

[Joon]

Originally Posted by reider

There is truly nothing special about them. This week there was an additional 12% drop in blu-ray sales volume after the last week's 38% drop. I really hope it's just a "post holiday" slowdown and not a part of a trend. Where is Fozziwig anyway... he was suppose to confirm (or refute) my calculations. Anybody else is up for the task? Any math geeks out there?

NO! This is not ALL we need to know. Even 99:1 ratio has no meaning what so ever if the volume is very low. It will also be a Toshiba's win if HDM (blu-ray) does not go mainstream - it will keep their DVD revenue intact.

Take it easy. Blu-ray is obviously doing just fine, and will catch on to be mainstream.

[TheRealBob]

Originally Posted by reider

NO! This is not ALL we need to know. Even 99:1 ratio has no meaning what so ever if the volume is very low. It will also be a Toshiba's win if HDM (blu-ray) does not go mainstream - it will keep their DVD revenue intact.

This is traditionally a very slow time of the year. You have the lead up to Christmas, then Christmas, then a flurry of purchases made with gift cards. Then business goes way down.

If the drops in Blu-ray volume are not more than the drops in DVD volume during this time period, then it's nothing to worry about.

[reider]

Originally Posted by Joon

Take it easy. Blu-ray is obviously doing just fine, and will catch on to be mainstream.

Is it a blind faith, or an educated assumption supported by reasoning?

[reider]

Originally Posted by TheRealBob

This is traditionally a very slow time of the year. You have the lead up to Christmas, then Christmas, then a flurry of purchases made with gift cards. Then business goes way down.

If the drops in Blu-ray volume are not more than the drops in DVD volume during this time period, then it's nothing to worry about.

Yes, this is the explanation I favor the most.
It's just the thoughts of the DVD's adoption timeline (and I can't force myself to stop comparing) makes me a little uneasy about Blu-Ray's adoption timeline.

[blindcat87]

The 1st quarter is usually the slowest time of they year for the US market. You have the combination of the post holiday season and tax season with people trying to figure out if they get money or have to pay money, pluss the winter heating bills and other such little inconveniences of winter really show their toll on people's pocketbooks. It should pick up for 2nd quarter post tax season and really start to kick into gear as summer rolls around.

Keep in mind that recent information released shows HDM beating the DVD adoption curve. Even though this includes both formats, given the ratios, I think this shows that BD is doing pretty good.

I've even noticed the slowdown personally. The budget has been tighter this month, I am trying to scrimp and save for a couple of hardware upgrades, and to save up for the deadly damage to my wallet coming on March 11th, so I have only ordered Crimson Tide out of the number of titles I wanted in the last few weeks. I will probably give in and order Life of Brian soon, and am hoping that a Hasting's gift card will allow me to pick up either 3:10 to Yuma or The Assassination of Jesse James without straining the fun budget. Oh, I also oredered a couple of used BDs from Half.com, but since I spent less than what was in my change jar, it doesn't count against the fun budget. I actually felt a little guilty because those don't add to the numbers, but neither title was one I would have bought without a BOGO anyway.

Chris

Originally Posted by reider

Yes, this is the explanation I favor the most.
It's just the thoughts of the DVD's adoption timeline (and I can't force myself to stop comparing) makes me a little uneasy about Blu-Ray's adoption timeline.

[Neo65]

Originally Posted by reider

Yes, this is the explanation I favor the most.
It's just the thoughts of the DVD's adoption timeline (and I can't force myself to stop comparing) makes me a little uneasy about Blu-Ray's adoption timeline.

For reference, here's the historical weekly sales since launch (from grubert) :


You'll see that Q1 is traditionally very low volume. This is logical since even on relative terms, toys, DVD players and disks sales drop compared to Q4 because of the post xmas shopping effect.

The valid comparison would be Jan'08 vs Jan'07 and every indication is that sales are still much higher than in '07.

[lateralus85]

Wow, from that graph, HD-DVD are selling the same as they did in 06.

[Toxa]

Originally Posted by Neo65

For reference, here's the historical weekly sales since launch (from grubert) :


You'll see that Q1 is traditionally very low volume. This is logical since even on relative terms, toys, DVD players and disks sales drop compared to Q4 because of the post xmas shopping effect.

The valid comparison would be Jan'08 vs Jan'07 and every indication is that sales are still much higher than in '07.

Beautiful

[MarekM]

here are some numbers collected from various sources (few links from Grubert ) and numbers for this year from this post...

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...ostcount=10995

numbers for 2008 are without last week of january, so Blu-ray can be very close to 1mil units sold for january

2008 so far :

Blu-ray 0.763 mil units sold
HD DVD 0.231 mil units sold

year 2007

Blu-ray 5.7 mil units sold
HD DVD 3.2 mil units sold

year 2006

Blu-ray 0.41 mil units sold
HD DVD 0.57 mil units sold

SI- since inception without 2008 numbers

Blu-ray 6.11 mil units sold
HD DVD 3.77 mil units sold

SI- since inception with 2008 numbers

Blu-ray 6.87 mil units sold
HD DVD 4.0 mil units sold

Marek

[Alex Pallas]

its getting hard to deny that for a third week, with numbers over 80% that this isnt a trend. however, if the numbers go up only a single percentage next week, it would certainly be a very noticeable qualifier.

[patrick99]

I see the red lines on the Amazon sales comparison charts are having a temporary upward movement in response to the current sale. Presumably this will have the same lack of impact on the Nielsens that Amazon aberrations normally have.