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Old 02-14-2012, 05:55 PM   #1
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Im using a PANAMAX M5400-PM
Does that have battery back up???
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Old 02-14-2012, 05:57 PM   #2
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does that have battery back up???
no , why would you use battery backup on a HT ? I could see a computer

I will be selling this , I bought it new has org box and rack ears its like new

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-X1i3ezF...D-IR-2550.html

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no , why would you use battery backup on a HT ?
[Show spoiler] I could see a computer

I will be selling this , I bought it new has org box and rack ears its like new

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-X1i3ezF...D-IR-2550.html

300.00 shipped
I use UPS in my HT for devices with a hard drive -- DirecTV DVR, PS3, a Mac Mini, and an external hard drive for the Mac Mini.

All of my power gear is from Tripp Lite. I have had great experiences with them both through my job in a professional manner as well as for my home use in a consumer manner.
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Old 02-14-2012, 09:51 PM   #4
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You can't miss with a Panamax. I used to have a M5100EX, now using a M5400-PM. It's expensive but it's worth it ($700+)
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Old 02-14-2012, 09:57 PM   #5
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no , why would you use battery backup on a HT ? I could see a computer

I will be selling this , I bought it new has org box and rack ears its like new

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-X1i3ezF...D-IR-2550.html

300.00 shipped
You would use the battery back up in case the power went out during an update. It would also give you time to power down your equipment.
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Old 02-15-2012, 03:16 AM   #6
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Found this at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surge_protector

Joules rating

This number defines how much energy the surge protector can theoretically absorb in a single event, without failure. Counter-intuitively, a lower number may indicate longer life expectancy if the device can divert more energy elsewhere and thus absorb less energy. In other words, a protective device offering a lower clamping voltage while diverting the same surge current will cause more of the surge energy to be dissipated elsewhere in that current's path. Better protectors exceed peak ratings of 1000 joules and 40,000 amperes.

It is often claimed that a lower joule rating is undersized protection, since the total energy in harmful spikes can be significantly larger than this. However, if properly installed, for every joule absorbed by a protector, another 4 to 30 joules may be dissipated harmlessly into ground. A MOV-based protector (described below) with a higher let-through voltage can receive a higher joule rating, even though it lets more surge energy through to the device to be protected.

The joule rating is a commonly-quoted but very misleading parameter for comparing MOV-based surge protectors. A surge of any arbitrary ampere and voltage combination can occur in time, but surges commonly last only for microseconds to nanoseconds, and experimentally modeled surge energy has been far under 100 joules.[4] Well-designed surge protectors should not rely on MOVs to absorb surge energy, but use them instead to survive the process of harmlessly redirecting it.

Generally, more joules means an MOV absorbs less energy while diverting even more into ground.

Some manufacturers commonly design higher joule rated surge protectors by connecting multiple MOVs in parallel. Since individual MOVs have slightly different non-linear responses when exposed to the same overvoltage, any given MOV might be more sensitive than others. This can cause one MOV in a group to conduct more (a phenomenon called current-hogging), leading to overuse and eventually premature failure of that component. If a single inline fuse is placed in series with the MOVs as a power-off safety feature, it will open and fail the surge protector even if remaining MOVs are intact. Thus, the effective surge energy absorption capacity of the entire system is dependent on the MOV with the lowest clamping voltage, and the additional MOVs do not provide any further benefit. This limitation can be surmounted by using carefully matched sets of MOVs, but this matching must be carefully coordinated with the original manufacturer of the MOV components.[5][6]

[edit] Response time

Surge protectors don't operate instantaneously; a slight delay exists. The longer the response time, the longer the connected equipment will be exposed to the surge. However, surges don't happen instantly either. Surges usually take around a few microseconds to reach their peak voltage, and a surge protector with a nanosecond response time would kick in fast enough to suppress the most damaging portion of the spike.[7]

Therefore, response time under standard testing is not a useful measure of a surge protector's ability when comparing MOV devices. All MOVs have response times measured in nanoseconds, while test waveforms usually used to design and calibrate surge protectors are all based on modeled waveforms of surges measured in microseconds. As a result, MOV-based protectors have no trouble producing impressive response-time specs.

Slower-responding technologies (notably, GDTs) may have difficulty protecting against fast spikes. Therefore, good designs incorporating slower but otherwise useful technologies usually combine them with faster-acting components, to provide more comprehensive protection.[8]





A 2-pole surge protector for installation in distribution boards
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Old 02-15-2012, 05:14 AM   #7
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I use UPS in my HT for devices with a hard drive -- DirecTV DVR, PS3, a Mac Mini, and an external hard drive for the Mac Mini.

All of my power gear is from Tripp Lite. I have had great experiences with them both through my job in a professional manner as well as for my home use in a consumer manner.
Ditto!

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1. I am wondering who makes the safest surge protector for our receivers.
2. Is battery back up the way to go even though joule protection is often less?
3. Would this back up be a good choice for instance..........

http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/pro...000PFCLCD.html
1. Any of the brands others mentioned that best fits your budget.
2. Not for protecting your receiver or TV. Battery back up would be best suited for your DVR & gaming systems( also projectors, including RPTV ).
3. Yes, but not for your TV, receiver, amp or subs, etc. For receivers, amps & subs, you want something with high current outlets.

I use two separate products for protection in my bedroom system, a power conditioner & a UPS. All hard drive based sources( PS3 slim, PS2 & Channel Master OTA DVR ) & ventilation are plugged into the UPS. The TV, receiver, Sub & all other sources( DVD player, BDP, VHS deck, DVHS deck, cassette deck, plus misc. items- HDMI switch/iPod dock, etc. ) are plugged into the power conditioner. The power conditioner I use is the Panamax M5400-PM.
The UPS I use is the CyberPower PR1000LCDRTXL2U( http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/pro...mageI=#tab-box ). I chose this CyberPower UPS model, because it would fit inside my rack( less than 20" depth ) & it had a battery expansion port( for adding external battery packs, for the future- http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/pro...8v45art2u.html ).

Panamax has an all in one product that would be a good choice for you:
http://www.panamax.com/Products/Batt...kup/MX5102.php
http://www.abt.com/product/40780/Panamax-MX5102.html
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COMBINES POWER MANAGEMENT, SURGE PROTECTION WITH AVM AND BATTERY BACKUP TO PROVIDE THE COMPLETE SOLUTION!



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UPS at the very bottom of rack. The Furman Power Distributor offers no surge protection or conditioning. I use it as an extension to an existing branch circuit off my power conditioner.


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Power conditioner up top.


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Old 02-15-2012, 05:53 AM   #8
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Thanks that is the information i was looking for.
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What about this one???????????

http://store.audioholics.com/install.../apc-j25b.html
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