10$ billion loss for real?

[scweb13]

Originally Posted by Mrbrownst0ne

ohhhh so now they own sanyo and pioneer?

They don't own Pioneer. They only bought the patents relating to plasma from Pioneer.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

I agree 100%. The price of TV's continues to drop precipitously while the technology, quality, and features increase. One of my "rich aunts" bought the first 19" color TV I ever saw in 1960 for $800 (who knows what that translates into today after inflation). My first color TV was a 19" RCA colortrak that I bought in 1980 for $450, my first "big screen" TV was a 40" Mitsubishi that I bought in 1985 for about $3000, my first hi-definition TV was a 65" rear-projection Mitsubishi in 2001 for $5500, and I recently bought a 70" Sharp LED backlit panel for $2400. The trend is obvious. Right now you can get the 80" Sharp panel for $3900, which adjusted for inflation is probably less than my aunt's 19", and yes, Sharp is also losing big bucks. Eight years ago one of the largest flat screens such as a 45" Sharp would have put you back about 7 grand, and only a year ago, the only choice in 70" flat panel TV's was the Sony XBR7 for around $22,000. TV has to be one of the best bargains available to the general public today.

$800 in 1960 is $6126 in 2012 dollars (the rich aunt's 19" color TV).
$450 in 1980 is $1237 in 2012 dollars (19" RCA Colortrak)
$3000 in 1985 is $6320 in 2012 dollars (40" Mitsubishi).
$5500 in 2001 is $7039 in 2012 dollars (65" RP Mitsubishi).

And there are those who claim that the Bureau of Labor Statistics' Inflation Calculator actually under-calculates inflation because it's mainly based on a market basket and I don't think includes fuel or housing costs. If that's the case, then the differentials are even higher.

[Mrbrownst0ne]

Originally Posted by scweb13

They don't own Pioneer. They only bought the patents relating to plasma from Pioneer.

ohhhhhh ok gocha!... so is it safe to say the only reason why panasonic plasma kick ass is because of pioneer plasma? technology

[lghaze42]

Originally Posted by Mrbrownst0ne

ohhhhhh ok gocha!... so is it safe to say the only reason why panasonic plasma kick ass is because of pioneer plasma? technology

That may be some what true but the new VT50 is an all new panel from the ground up.There are many things we have that Panasonic does'nt get credit for.DVD is credited to Sony and Philips but Panasonic invented the red laser and the dual layer technology that made it possible.I don't think the Koreans have made a single thing that is all original.I do miss the days when if you saw made it Japan on a tv or dvd player you knew it was made by someone who took pride in their work.

[scweb13]

Originally Posted by Mrbrownst0ne

ohhhhhh ok gocha!... so is it safe to say the only reason why panasonic plasma kick ass is because of pioneer plasma? technology

No. A well known calibrator has said on another board that Panasonic is too proud to use Pioneer's tech. Apparently, they bought the patents to keep them out of the hands of the competition.

[Mrbrownst0ne]

Originally Posted by scweb13

No. A well known calibrator has said on another board that Panasonic is too proud to use Pioneer's tech. Apparently, they bought the patents to keep them out of the hands of the competition.

lmao, if they really did that, thats such a villain move.. im laughing hard....

[ZIPPO]

Originally Posted by scweb13

No. A well known calibrator has said on another board that Panasonic is too proud to use Pioneer's tech. Apparently, they bought the patents to keep them out of the hands of the competition.

If you can't beat them, buy them...

[kris achar]

Originally Posted by scweb13

No. A well known calibrator has said on another board that Panasonic is too proud to use Pioneer's tech. Apparently, they bought the patents to keep them out of the hands of the competition.

If they are not going to use the pioneer Technology now,then when ? Since 6 years from now one has doubt wheather plasma technology will remain or not.And the plasma making units will they survive stiff competition from other asian countries.
Pioneer could have reduced the price of their plasma.instead of shutting its PDP operation.And i believe they had a factory in china.They could have shipped all their PDP's from china to make it cost effective.
Like wise now panasonic is bringing new plasma's every year and that too without incorporating pioneer technologies.And one fine morning they too will say that making PDP panels are not cost effective.
Instead of putting newer models every year if they change models every 3 to 5 year and make them reasonably priced & without bugs,here iam referring to their flagship model VT Series.I personally feel many who are yet to decided wheather to buy their first plasma,would certainly buy one.Since the models change every year many are unable to decide when the time is right.Since no one wants to buy an outdated model with less features of older models.i.e VT20,VT30....

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by scweb13

No. A well known calibrator has said on another board that Panasonic is too proud to use Pioneer's tech. Apparently, they bought the patents to keep them out of the hands of the competition.

I don't find that credible. I've spoken with some Panasonic people and they claim they hired many of the Pioneer engineers and they are using much (but definitely not all) of the technology.

[mrbsh1]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

I don't find that credible. I've spoken with some Panasonic people and they claim they hired many of the Pioneer engineers and they are using much (but definitely not all) of the technology.

As said above this too has been what i have heard from credible sources within panasonic australia. I can't seem to recall accurately if i also heard the source say that they are some technologies of pioneer that have an embargo on them.

[Mrbrownst0ne]

pioneer technology or not, all i can say is that vt and gt series is incredible. Haven't personally used ST series so cant comment on that.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Mrbrownst0ne

pioneer technology or not, all i can say is that vt and gt series is incredible. Haven't personally used ST series so cant comment on that.

I have to ask, who's that in your avatar?? she seems VERY familiar

[Mrbrownst0ne]

Originally Posted by wormraper

I have to ask, who's that in your avatar?? she seems VERY familiar

legendary miss erica campbell ..... she gives me the SHWING

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Mrbrownst0ne

legendary miss erica campbell ..... she gives me the SHWING

ahhhh, the queen of Softcore, I knew she was familiar. I would kill to see her go hardcore.

[Mrbrownst0ne]

Originally Posted by wormraper

ahhhh, the queen of Softcore, I knew she was familiar. I would kill to see her go hardcore.

2 thumbs up :P

[77Pat]

Originally Posted by kris achar

If they are not going to use the pioneer Technology now,then when ? Since 6 years from now one has doubt wheather plasma technology will remain or not.And the plasma making units will they survive stiff competition from other asian countries.
Pioneer could have reduced the price of their plasma.instead of shutting its PDP operation.And i believe they had a factory in china.They could have shipped all their PDP's from china to make it cost effective.
Like wise now panasonic is bringing new plasma's every year and that too without incorporating pioneer technologies.And one fine morning they too will say that making PDP panels are not cost effective.
Instead of putting newer models every year if they change models every 3 to 5 year and make them reasonably priced & without bugs,here iam referring to their flagship model VT Series.I personally feel many who are yet to decided wheather to buy their first plasma,would certainly buy one.Since the models change every year many are unable to decide when the time is right.Since no one wants to buy an outdated model with less features of older models.i.e VT20,VT30....

I would say the tv's are reasonably priced. There is just more emphasis on tv now. I remember buying a new tv when we moved in 1996. It was a flat crt Toshiba 24" and cost $280, the 27" was around $325. Back then, that was considered a decent amount for a main tv. Not as many people had RPTV (either price, size, or just less emphasis on watching). Televisions have come a long way and now you here people saying they could never go back to smaller sets (when it was the norm for a while).

As with everything, it depends on if you view it as an investment. I do not for TV, Computer, and Cell Phones since technology is changing. I view Speakers, Amps, and even media cabinets as more of an investment since they could last a long time over many set/media changes.

If you look at kitchen goods you can also see this. For example food processors. There is Black and Decker on the low end (generally considered disposable), Cuisinart and Kitchenaid middle (most would consider high end, but does have some issues if you read online-used to be made in Europe, now China), and Magimix for high end (Most comments online are people who have been using theirs for 30+ years and are looking for replacement bowls, made in Europe). But most people would look at the price and choke. Same with comparing a Hamilton Beach/Oster Blender to a Vitamix/Blendtec.

So if you want the best, you need to pay for it. Although it should have less issues than are currently common.

I do agree about actually adding useful features (but everyone has different opinions of what are useful). I would rather have a tablet that acted as a universal remote control/social media updater/PiP. This would be able to keep the TV simple and let them focus more on contrast ratio, getting efficient power supplies, and better black levels. Most of the general public seems to rather have all the bells and whistles right in the tv and does not really care about the picture as long as the TV is large.

[kris achar]

Originally Posted by 77Pat

I would say the tv's are reasonably priced. There is just more emphasis on tv now. I remember buying a new tv when we moved in 1996. It was a flat crt Toshiba 24" and cost $280, the 27" was around $325. Back then, that was considered a decent amount for a main tv. Not as many people had RPTV (either price, size, or just less emphasis on watching). Televisions have come a long way and now you here people saying they could never go back to smaller sets (when it was the norm for a while).

As with everything, it depends on if you view it as an investment. I do not for TV, Computer, and Cell Phones since technology is changing. I view Speakers, Amps, and even media cabinets as more of an investment since they could last a long time over many set/media changes.

If you look at kitchen goods you can also see this. For example food processors. There is Black and Decker on the low end (generally considered disposable), Cuisinart and Kitchenaid middle (most would consider high end, but does have some issues if you read online-used to be made in Europe, now China), and Magimix for high end (Most comments online are people who have been using theirs for 30+ years and are looking for replacement bowls, made in Europe). But most people would look at the price and choke. Same with comparing a Hamilton Beach/Oster Blender to a Vitamix/Blendtec.

So if you want the best, you need to pay for it. Although it should have less issues than are currently common.

I do agree about actually adding useful features (but everyone has different opinions of what are useful). I would rather have a tablet that acted as a universal remote control/social media updater/PiP. This would be able to keep the TV simple and let them focus more on contrast ratio, getting efficient power supplies, and better black levels. Most of the general public seems to rather have all the bells and whistles right in the tv and does not really care about the picture as long as the TV is large.

I fully agree with what you have said.I keep telling about reduction of price because,in my country we have import tax & sales tax.Which makes products one is to one time more,or one has to pay double for electronic goods.But its cheaper to get products from singapore & dubai.but i want local warranty and don't want to risk getting a broken panel plasma from abroad.Since cargo handling is quite pathetic in my area.
And what i meant here is when products from china could be sold cheaper why not japanese giants try to follow their example.And when a old model VT20 or VT30 could be sold little less once a new model arrives,why can't they sell VT50 at that price.And iam not speaking about spl introductory offer.But regular retail price.And instead of changing model every year once in 3 years or 5 years would be more comfortable for the consumers to decide on new products.
And what i have noticed is history repeats itself because corporations never learn...i mean this in reference to what has happened to pioneer,sony plasma division.
Mass marketing and reasonable pricing can only save these companies and not new models or costly price tagged products.
And they give more choice like ST,GT,VT.So panasonic has to spend more to keep all the 3 series up to date in its 3d line.While they can cut R&D cost by scraping the GT & the G series.i.e they can sell only the low end and hi end models.