Playstation "Orbis"

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by xtop

no hard drive is why you think its bogus? lol. makes sense if they're going for a cheap upgrade over the ps3.

that pastebin is the first mention of the durango name. it at least gets the codenames right. so now we just have to figure out what else it gets right

I'm not saying I buy into any of what is said at this point but I highly doubt they'll leave out a HDD. PSN is too profitable and for users to be able to buy PSN content they'll need something to put it on. On top of that, all the patches, DLC, etc. The trend has been going one direction, not the other.

"but it does cement the orbis stuff"

What does it cement?

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

I'm gonna be extremely disappointed if the games are locked to a single account. That DRM type stance these companies are taking on physical media is DISGUSTING!!!!

They might as well call it 'DIGITAL SLAVERY!!! Who the feck do they think they are to restrict gamers in such a way and entirely cut off many people when they have a problem connecting to the internet.

If they were so bloody concious of tight margins, why not offer locked games like they plan in their own store at a highly reduced price and keep the current prices of £39.99 or the raised £44.99 RRPs without that B$ DRM crap.

Of course, we could all be venting over nothing but theres never been a truer saying that 'Where theres smoke, theres firee' and there certainly is a lot of smoke about that issue in the gaming world right now.

I just can't help but think these companies are becoming greedy and lazy instead of a actually using their brains to come up with new methods to survive in the digital age.

I tend to buy new games as much as possible, but i do NOT like the idea of having my games locked. I regularly give my friends games and vice versa so we can enjoy the titles and such a thing would put an end to that. It's greedy, short sighted and above all disrespectful to the gamers who supported them by buying new whenever possible.

I'm gonna wait for more solid information but i see some twittet/facebook protests being arranged. If they get enough support, they will alter their strategy behind closed doors and make amends before announcing such a heinous act,

So what do you say to the cell phone companies where ALL of the content is digitally distributed to one phone with ZERO used market? Is that "digital slavery" as well?

[Mavrick]

Propriatry storage format!

Look at the Vita! I can see it now! Horribly overpriced for barely any storage. Just like Vita

[Trace17]

Originally Posted by tarvis

PSN and Xbox Live Marketplace retail prices are governed largely by retail chains. If EA lowers the price of Mass Effect 3 on PSN, then it is lowered at Walmart. It's less an issue for PC games because many PC games aren't even available outside of digital downloads.

I'm not going to get into the statement wording, PirateBooty is taking care of that. But I cannot think of ONE SINGLE example where EITHER a retail store OR PSN dropped the price on a game and the other followed suit within a week. Not ONE. Not EVER. Maybe your area has super-awesome Wal-marts or you have exclusive PS+++ pricing, but the price gaps between retail and digital are pretty atrocious at times, though less so recently. I've seen several times in the past where I could buy a game at retail for 19.99 (not even on sale) and it was 39.99-59.99 on the PSN store, and stayed that way for weeks. There needs to be WAY more digital sales on titles and more frequent price drops on digital titles for me to even CONSIDER buying something digital over physical.

Personally, if this all becomes true about the used games and 1-account locking (I'm still skeptical. It is a Kotaku article, after all), then I'm not going to bother with the new console. I'll keep playing my PS3 until they screw that up, then I'll just dig my N64 back out. The lack of b/c I understand, but the entire used game approach is worse than online passes to me.

[xtop]

Originally Posted by Monkey

I'm not saying I buy into any of what is said at this point but I highly doubt they'll leave out a HDD. PSN is too profitable and for users to be able to buy PSN content they'll need something to put it on. On top of that, all the patches, DLC, etc. The trend has been going one direction, not the other.



What does it cement?

yeah i suppose you're right about the psn content. i suppose they could go the xbox route. a cheaper version with limited on board storage for cheaper. another more expensive sku with more storage.

that was posted back in december. now we've got a site for it too. http://orbis.scedev.net/ hard NOT to believe at least part of it

[Omegaice]

Originally Posted by Bizdady

Pretty stupid if they dont let you play your own games offline and force you to tie it to your one account... Might have to retire from the gaming world if so.

Originally Posted by G1ggs

Locking it to the Console - Yes
Locking it to the Account - Big Mistake

Originally Posted by Musashi

• Is called, or at least carries the working codename, "Orbis".

Name/codename don't matter much.

• Is scheduled for a Holiday 2013 release.

Sounds about right. I had to figure given the starting price of the PS3, it would be more years than usual to move to a new gen.

• Won't be backwards compatible with PS3 games.

Not cool. Requiring a separately purchased "retro-card" to play PS3 games is ok, but zero BC in any form is unacceptable. I play Rock Band, and my back catalog of DLC songs sure as hell better work on the PS4's first Rock Band game, even if the games themselves don't.

• Will lock new games to a PSN account as an anti-used games measure.

and a half. Also not cool. Used games are a vital part of keeping games available well past their sales prime. Also, fact remains that many ppl do not have internet and cannot sign into the PSN.

• New games can be bought either on Blu-Ray or downloaded.

I figured as much.

• Current specs are an AMD x64 CPU and AMD Southern Islands GPU

That could work. Ultimately what will matter are things like clock speed, # of cores, cache size, operations per second, and of course, RAM (and its speed).

Originally Posted by NARMAK

I'm gonna be extremely disappointed if the games are locked to a single account. That DRM type stance these companies are taking on physical media is DISGUSTING!!!!

They might as well call it 'DIGITAL SLAVERY!!! Who the feck do they think they are to restrict gamers in such a way and entirely cut off many people when they have a problem connecting to the internet.

If they were so bloody concious of tight margins, why not offer locked games like they plan in their own store at a highly reduced price and keep the current prices of £39.99 or the raised £44.99 RRPs without that B$ DRM crap.

Of course, we could all be venting over nothing but theres never been a truer saying that 'Where theres smoke, theres firee' and there certainly is a lot of smoke about that issue in the gaming world right now.

I just can't help but think these companies are becoming greedy and lazy instead of a actually using their brains to come up with new methods to survive in the digital age.

I tend to buy new games as much as possible, but i do NOT like the idea of having my games locked. I regularly give my friends games and vice versa so we can enjoy the titles and such a thing would put an end to that. It's greedy, short sighted and above all disrespectful to the gamers who supported them by buying new whenever possible.

I'm gonna wait for more solid information but i see some twittet/facebook protests being arranged. If they get enough support, they will alter their strategy behind closed doors and make amends before announcing such a heinous act,

That's great that Sony is moving forward onto their next platform but they maybe making a misstep with the locking of games to a single PSN account. I've been a PlayStation owner since the original back in 1995. I've never been real big into online gaming so that appeal was never a concern to me. And not having backwards compatibility is not a big deal to me either. However, I'm in the military & when I deploy on a ship out in the middle of the Persian Gulf for 6-10 months at a time, I have zero access to internet. So basically the one thing that helps pass the time out there will be useless to me. Really??? I honestly hope that Sony rethinks this particular idea or there maybe problems.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by xtop

yeah i suppose you're right about the psn content. i suppose they could go the xbox route. a cheaper version with limited on board storage for cheaper. another more expensive sku with more storage.

that was posted back in december. now we've got a site for it too. http://orbis.scedev.net/ hard NOT to believe at least part of it

They could or they could go propriety like MS did. Seeing the huge profits MS probably made on ridiculously priced HDD's.

I still don't see how a website with a bunch of Sony products cements anything in that quote.

[Mavrick]

If it is under speced compared to the next xbox then I expect there would be quite a margin in the retail price.

And so many people used PS3s high price as a reason to not get it and go with xbox, why would it change if the shoes on the other foot?

Say PSO is lower spec but $100 cheaper than the XB3. Surely people will buy the PSO and wait for a price drop on the XB.

Just sayin'

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by Monkey

They could or they could go propriety like MS did. Seeing the huge profits MS probably made on ridiculously priced HDD's.

I still don't see how a website with a bunch of Sony products cements anything in that quote.

If you refer to the first post in the thread the link is explained as to why it's "important" A place holder as such, pointing towards there being something of the name Orbis being something to develope for.

Type in Vita.SCEdevnet.com and you arrive at Sony's portal for Vita developers. Same with NGP.SCEdevnet.com, referencing the former codename for the Vita. The PS4 version of that address gets you nowhere. PS3 does, as does Orbis.SCEDev.net, though not to any Orbis-specific portions of the site.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

If you refer to the first post in the thread the link is explained as to why it's "important" A place holder as such, pointing towards there being something of the name Orbis being something to develope for.

I get that part. I guess I misunderstood his "cement" to be related to specs claims.

[Mavrick]

Sketches of ‘PlayStation Orbis Features’ Surface, Then Disappear

The design firm Coque Design may have worked on illustrations for certain features of the next PlayStation, according to pictures a tipster spotted on its website today.

The pictures, which have since been removed from the site, were labeled "Illustrations & Sketches for new PlayStation Orbis features."

The photos depict several people moving around in front of some sort of Kinect-like motion-sensing device that rests on top of a television. (As a commenter points out, this device also resembles the PlayStation Eye accessory.) One person is using what appears to be an iPhone or iPod to control music that may be linked to the game system as well.

http://kotaku.com/5897139/sketches-o...ium=socialflow

[xtop]

Originally Posted by Monkey

I get that part. I guess I misunderstood his "cement" to be related to specs claims.

was only talking about the codenames. i guess i just worded it poorly? sorry

[xtop]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

Sketches of ‘PlayStation Orbis Features’ Surface, Then Disappear

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[Truewitt]

Originally Posted by J6P

I'm just saying that's why they're doing this -- the used game lockout. To the extent that the used game market thrives, the bottom line at the top shrinks.

In the current model, they have no choice but to consider every used game sale to be a loss. For them, it serves to choke out their ecosystem as a single new game sale proliferates to 2 or 6 or 12 gamers all playing that same game one after the other, all without passing any money up to the developer or platform manufacturer.

It sucks, but they have to address it somehow, and walk that tightrope between getting your business on the console side while still protecting their developer partner's investment in putting these games out. Developers need new game sales to stay in business, period.

The problem is that from a business standpoint none of this is true. The used game market does drive the market and always has. How many customers are going to be unwilling to pay the premium retail price for a game when they know they are stuck with it no matter whether it is good or not. This is the factor everyone likes to forget about. This will take away any ability to recoup something from your original purchase. I think this will have a drastic effect on people buying games; they'll just wait for them to be cheaper.

[D1-2005]

Originally Posted by J6P

If that's the case, Sony is not worried about losing you at all. They wouldn't even consider you a customer quite frankly, nor would any hardware console manufacturer, based on your buying pattern.

Sony, just like Microsoft, will lose a massive amount of money on all of these new console sales for quite some time after introduction. Years. They need 1st party software sales, that's where the money is. New software sales, not used. They're the only ones that count. Sales of used games do not drive the platform, nor make any money for anyone other than GameStop.

This has been the reality for quite some time.

I will agree with you for the most part but I know too many people who buy alot of games who generally turn around and trade them if they dont like it or they finish them quickly. The question is how will this effect game sales? Will people be more picky in their purchases? Maybe we will get less crap games from this if it is true, but I wonder what the difference will be from used game sales to those who buy more new games because of the used value.

[xtop]

Originally Posted by J6P

If that's the case, Sony is not worried about losing you at all. They wouldn't even consider you a customer quite frankly, nor would any hardware console manufacturer, based on your buying pattern.

Sony, just like Microsoft, will lose a massive amount of money on all of these new console sales for quite some time after introduction. Years. They need 1st party software sales, that's where the money is. New software sales, not used. They're the only ones that count. Sales of used games do not drive the platform, nor make any money for anyone other than GameStop.

This has been the reality for quite some time.

if i were a betting man. i'd bet that the big 3 lose little or no money with their new consoles. i fully expect them all to launch around $299 and cost around that much

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by xtop

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I hate how they call it an Kinect type device, when it's clearly an PS Eye

And an iPod? Really? lol Not likely. Clearly the new Sony Xperia, PS Certified? Hello!

These Gaming sites these days ugh....

[Truewitt]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

So what do you say to the cell phone companies where ALL of the content is digitally distributed to one phone with ZERO used market? Is that "digital slavery" as well?

When's the last time you paid $60 for something on your cell phone?

[Nerdkiller likes BD]

Another problem with the whole anti used game thing is that major retailers, like GameStop, who are dependent on used game sales, might not even sell the console because of that. If either MS or Sony ever actually implement it, it'll be nothing more than shooting themselves in their respective feet.

[xtop]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

I hate how they call it an Kinect type device, when it's clearly an PS Eye

And an iPod? Really? lol Not likely. Clearly the new Sony Xperia, PS Certified? Hello!

These Gaming sites these days ugh....

iPod? no silly. you're going to buy their new Sony android smartphone. duh!