New Disney titles for 2012 (Rescuers Aristocats Pocahontas etc.) !

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by yumny

Black Cauldron is by far their least known, most obscure, title (even with the package movies included).

Hardly.

If you're going to include the package films, then THIS is their most obscure theatrical animated feature-length release...so obscure, it doesn't even appear on the imdb.



In 1955, to complete his contractual commitment to RKO, Walt released a compilation of the best sequences from Make Mine Music and Melody Time, and called it Music Land (not to be confused with the Silly Symphony short subject). It was a feature-length theatrical release, and above, you'll see the poster.

Now, this raises an intriguing possibility. We all know Make Mine Music and Melody Time are destined for a "double feature" blu release. With seamless branching it could be possible to include Music Land as well.

The selected sequences were:

Trees
All The Cats Join In
After You’ve Gone
Once Upon a Wintertime
Pecos Bill
Johnny Fedora and Alice Bluebonnet
Bumble Boogie
Casey At the Bat
and
Blame It On the Samba

It's interesting that Peter and the Wolf didn't make the cut.

My second choice for most obscure feature-length largely animated release from Disney would be Victory Through Air Power, which has live action, but the majority of the film is animated.

The Black Cauldron, by contrast, moved 5 million units in its original home video release (not too shabby by late-90's standards, roughly the same amount as the Lindsay Lohan remake of The Parent Trap). I'm not attempting to state The Black Cauldron is wildly popular or anything, but it isn't the most obscure Disney animated feature. There simply is no longer any presence for it in the U.S. theme parks, and the characters are not utilized in any marketing materials, or even video games...(except one -- sharp-eyed fans of The Black Cauldron will spot the distinctive hilt of Taran's sword during the originbal Kingdom Hearts opening class-selection sequence. It's a bit toon-ified, but there's no mistaking it.)

[yumny]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Hardly.

If you're going to include the package films, then THIS..

[Show spoiler]is their most obscure theatrical animated feature-length release...so obscure, it doesn't even appear on the imdb.

In 1955, to complete his contractual commitment to RKO, Walt released a compilation of the best sequences from Make Mine Music and Melody Time, and called it Music Land (not to be confused with the Silly Symphony short subject). It was a feature-length theatrical release, and above, you'll see the poster.

Now, this raises an intriguing possibility. We all know Make Mine Music and Music Land are destined for a "double feature" blu release. With seamless branching it could be possible to include Music Land as well.

The selected sequences were:

Trees
All The Cats Join In
After You’ve Gone
Once Upon a Wintertime
Pecos Bill
Johnny Fedora and Alice Bluebonnet
Bumble Boogie
Casey At the Bat
and
Blame It On the Samba

It's interesting that Peter and the Wolf didn't make the cut.

My second choice for most obscure feature-length largely animated release from Disney would be Victory Through Air Power, which has live action, but the majority of the film is animated.

The Black Cauldron, by contrast, moved 5 million units in its original home video release (not too shabby by late-90's standards, roughly the same amount as the Lindsay Lohan remake of The Parent Trap). I'm not attempting to state The Black Cauldron is wildly popular or anything, but it isn't the most obscure Disney animated feature. There simply is no longer any presence for it in the U.S. theme parks, and the characters are not utilized in any marketing materials, or even video games...(except one -- sharp-eyed fans of The Black Cauldron will spot the distinctive hilt of Taran's sword during the originbal Kingdom Hearts opening class-selection sequence. It's a bit toon-ified, but there's no mistaking it.

)

Well, to be fair, neither Music Land or Victory Through Air Power is part of the Disney Animated Canon, and Music Land is nothing more than compiled shorts.
I wouldn't count it as a real movie, just as a different "cut-together" for the movies it took it's clips from.

So Black Cauldron is still obviously the least known, most obscure DAC.

[brian9229]

Originally Posted by Lnds500

Thanks a lot disneyfreak



This is the second time you're posting this. We've known this for a long time!

well 1 you had aladdin in the listof movies coming in 2012 which was why i put it there in the first place and 2 all my posts were erased in the crash of june 8th

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by yumny

Well, to be fair, neither Music Land or Victory Through Air Power is part of the Disney Animated Canon, and Music Land is nothing more than compiled shorts.
I wouldn't count it as a real movie, just as a different "cut-together" for the movies it took it's clips from.

So Black Cauldron is still obviously the least known, most obscure DAC.

given how much time, attention and money was used in filming this in 70mm (Disney's last) it's a shame that this has fallen into obscurity.

[yumny]

Originally Posted by brian9229

well 1 you had aladdin in the listof movies coming in 2012 which was why i put it there in the first place and 2 all my posts were erased in the crash of june 8th

Oh god, please stop before the others get you. We know about the movies that are coming out in 2013. It's been known since the beginning. The rule is that you either participate in the discussion or provide us with some new information; do not repeatedly remind us of what we already know.

Originally Posted by Dubstar

given how much time, attention and money was used in filming this in 70mm (Disney's last) it's a shame that this has fallen into obscurity.

+1, I watched this and found it to be wonderfully weird, dark and twisted. It's like a Disney movie made on.. well, who knows what. It's so weird because it combines classic Disney heroes and heroines with a very dark and scary background. It's cute, as well.

[brian9229]

Originally Posted by yumny

Oh god, please stop before the others get you. We know about the movies that are coming out in 2013. It's been known since the beginning. The rule is that you either participate in the discussion or provide us with some new information; do not repeatedly remind us of what we already know.



+1, I watched this and found it to be wonderfully weird, dark and twisted. It's like a Disney movie made on.. well, who knows what. It's so weird because it combines classic Disney heroes and heroines with a very dark and scary background. It's cute, as well.

well it was quite obvious to me at the time that u know exactly JACK so there you go

[zoodermin]

Originally Posted by yumny

+1, I watched this and found it to be wonderfully weird, dark and twisted. It's like a Disney movie made on.. well, who knows what. It's so weird because it combines classic Disney heroes and heroines with a very dark and scary background. It's cute, as well.

I, on the other hand, do not like The Black Cauldron. It's a different Disney film but not "good different" like Lilo & Stitch. I think the setting and the atmosphere are great but the characters are not memorable, the humor is really sparse and the overall plot is too slow. Plus, I find the Gurgi creature really annoying. The only character I like is The Horned King because its a cool villain and its desing is really good. But aside from that I have never cared for The Black Cauldron. It's not the worst disney film (Chicken Little has the top spot) but its not a film I will buy or revisit.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by yumny

Well, to be fair, neither Music Land or Victory Through Air Power is part of the Disney Animated Canon, and Music Land is nothing more than compiled shorts.
I wouldn't count it as a real movie, just as a different "cut-together" for the movies it took it's clips from.

So Black Cauldron is still obviously the least known, most obscure DAC.

You wouldn't count it as a real movie and as part of the Disney canon because it's a cut-together assemblage of pre-existing shorts?

Please, then, explain the appearance of The Many Adventures of Winnie-the-Pooh on the "official" list of Disney animated features.

[yumny]

Originally Posted by brian9229

well it was quite obvious to me at the time that u know exactly JACK so there you go

Thank you for being so incredibly informative on this subject. I will live a more gratifying and meaningful life, knowing in my heart that I know jack.

My point was not to instigate a fight, merely to warn you that people might get pissy / annoyed. Now, let's just get back to discussing movies and their possible blu-ray releases, please?

I love hearing different opinions on Cauldron.

[yumny]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

You wouldn't count it as a real movie and as part of the Disney canon because it's a cut-together assemblage of pre-existing shorts?

Please, then, explain the appearance of The Many Adventures of Winnie-the-Pooh on the "official" list of Disney animated features.

I'd say you got a point there.. unless you remember that Music Land was cut together from other canon movies, and Winnie the Pooh was just seperate shorts that weren't individually canon. :P

Well anyway I'd have a hard time defining Music Land as a movie, but if others do that's fine. I don't see the appeal of cutting together bits and pieces from previously released movies and putting it in theaters, but it seems to be an interesting piece of Disney history. I'm gonna look it up.

[PuppyJonathan]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

No...the original negative is the uncut version.

I refer to what we've been given as the "Katzenberg Edit".

I recently purchased the full orginal score of The Black Cauldron and you can *hear* the edits to the music when watching the movie.

Katzenberg wanted to cut "Part of Your World" from The Little Mermaid, also.

However, he went to bat for Steven Spielberg while making Roger Rabbit, and many say if not for him, you wouldn't have seen Disney animation reborn as a modern medium.

He's on record saying he made a mistake wanting to cut "Part of Your World", why don't we let the original cut of The Black Cauldron screen to audiences, and see if he wasn't also wrong about removing the violence (and spooky darkness) from the movie.

Oh ok, that's intresting to specifically hear cut parts in the movie (I know what you meant)

[lobo81865]

In addition to those already mentioned, I would love to see Ducktales-Treasure of the Lost Lamp, and Atlantis on blu.

[disneyfreak]

Originally Posted by lobo81865

In addition to those already mentioned, I would love to see Ducktales-Treasure of the Lost Lamp, and Atlantis on blu.

Atlantis: The Lost Empire is supposed to be on blu-ray this fall/winter

[MJW]

Originally Posted by disneyfreak

Atlantis: The Lost Empire is supposed to be on blu-ray this fall/winter

Yep, I was just going to say that I thought Atlantis had been announced along with Brother Bear, but no release date has been given yet. We'll see if these pan out!

[yumny]

Originally Posted by MJW

Yep, I was just going to say that I thought Atlantis had been announced along with Brother Bear, but no release date has been given yet. We'll see if these pan out!

I really hope they don't bundle the Atlantis sequel with it x)
But I too am anxiously awaiting the date and cover art for AtlE and Brother Bear.

[MJW]

Originally Posted by yumny

I really hope they don't bundle the Atlantis sequel with it x)
But I too am anxiously awaiting the date and cover art for AtlE and Brother Bear.

If Atlantis gets bundled with its sequel, you can probably bet Brother Bear will, too. I am not opposed to the sequels, although I will agree that some are worse than others. I haven't seen the sequels to Atlantis or Brother Brother though, so I don't know where they stand.

[yumny]

Originally Posted by MJW

If Atlantis gets bundled with its sequel, you can probably bet Brother Bear will, too. I am not opposed to the sequels, although I will agree that some are worse than others. I haven't seen the sequels to Atlantis or Brother Brother though, so I don't know where they stand.

Many people seem to like the Brother Bear sequel. I don't know, it involves a girl and some hijinks. Ironically it's got a higher RT score than Brother Bear itself.
As for the Atlantis sequel, it was compiled from episodes from the Atlantis TV series that was cancelled. It's as crude looking as Belle's Magical World. I really hope they don't bundle it, and it seems unlikely as they didn't put out Magical World either.

[MJW]

Originally Posted by yumny

Many people seem to like the Brother Bear sequel. I don't know, it involves a girl and some hijinks. Ironically it's got a higher RT score than Brother Bear itself.
As for the Atlantis sequel, it was compiled from episodes from the Atlantis TV series that was cancelled. It's as crude looking as Belle's Magical World. I really hope they don't bundle it, and it seems unlikely as they didn't put out Magical World either.

Oh okay, I didn't realize the Atlantis sequel was constructed from television animation. You're probably right that they won't release that on Blu-ray.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by yumny

I'd say you got a point there.. unless you remember that Music Land was cut together from other canon movies, and Winnie the Pooh was just seperate shorts that weren't individually canon. :P

Well anyway I'd have a hard time defining Music Land as a movie, but if others do that's fine. I don't see the appeal of cutting together bits and pieces from previously released movies and putting it in theaters, but it seems to be an interesting piece of Disney history. I'm gonna look it up.

Personally, I wouldn't count Music Land, but I'm consistent, because I don't think Many Adventures of Winnie-the-Pooh should count, either.

[disneyfreak]

Originally Posted by yumny

Many people seem to like the Brother Bear sequel. I don't know, it involves a girl and some hijinks. Ironically it's got a higher RT score than Brother Bear itself.
As for the Atlantis sequel, it was compiled from episodes from the Atlantis TV series that was cancelled. It's as crude looking as Belle's Magical World. I really hope they don't bundle it, and it seems unlikely as they didn't put out Magical World either.

Atlantis might actually get a blu-ray release, the tv show was created when they went digital, so they wouldn't have to restore it. You can pretty much count on Brother bear II coming to blu-ray though.