Movies that push the limits of PG-13

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

No. Did you read the rest of my post?

Ratings made as LAW will infringe the rights of the innocent. Ratings made as Law will HURT the good parents and their children. Ratings made to Law will neither "fix" the bad parents nor save their children.

Think about it. A kid with bad parents will find a way to see any film he wants to anyway. He'll either make a fake ID or just sneak in. Its been done for decades on "R" rated movies.

It solves nothing.

agreed, the Government should have NO ROLE, in our movie watching experience. they are there for a limited function. They already have usurped their original responsibilities and spend way too much time in our lives. the irresponsible and the people with bad parents will ALWAYS find a way to get in. it only hurts innocent people. Same with draconian drm and anti-gun laws.

that and the whole "make ratings law" argument is just another excuse for people to control others. to tell them what's good for them and to "protect them from themselves". Luckily America was created BECAUSE they didn't want the govt to tell them what the f@ck they could and couldn't do.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

I really despise that excuse, where people say you always have to experience something first-hand, to know whether its right or wrong. That's simply not true at all. I did see part of the first "Scary Movie", and walked out. From the commercials and such that have been shown for all these sex "comedies", they seem to be getting worse all the time. .

This is the lamest crap response I've ever heard. Your words, not his, are an excuse. We werent talking about right vs wrong. We spoke specifically about the American Pie films. You stated specifically that they were innapropriately labeled at PG and said they were trash, yet you have never seen them. It is utterly ridiculous for you to form an opinion and label a film if you havent seen because you are unaware of its specific content.

[enigma]

I'm going to post this once more and then I'm unsubscribing from this if it doesn't get back on track. It doesn't matter if what any of you are saying is right or wrong. None if it is on-topic. If you want to debate the ratings system, start a thread for it. In fact, there probably already is one. But can we PLEASE stick to the original question at-hand? Like I posted before:

Originally Posted by enigma

Somehow amidst all the debate, I believe the point of this thread was lost. Let's just ask the same question two different ways:

1. If you feel that most (if not all) PG-13 movies have been rated accordingly, what are some that really milk that PG-13 rating for all it's worth? The ones that almost make you feel like you're watching something R, perhaps.

2. If you feel that "this, this and this" were rated PG-13 and should have been R, what are those?

Regardless of the camp you're in, the question this topic pertains to can still be answered.

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[James78]

Originally Posted by enigma

None if it is on-topic. If you want to debate the ratings system, start a thread for it.

I'm sorry you are not finding the discussion relevant, enigma. I think it's unavoidable to talk about PG-13 and R films without some discourse about the system itself, surely?

[enigma]

Originally Posted by jmo78

I'm sorry you are not finding the discussion relevant, enigma. I think it's unavoidable to talk about PG-13 and R films without some discourse about the system itself, surely?

This is transcending "discourse" though. It's turned into straight arguing.

The question initially posed can be answered regardless of ones stance on the ratings system. That's why I broke it down into two questions in that post. Choose the one that applies to your opinions and just answer that. I'm just trying to get this back on-topic.

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[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by jmo78

SquidPuppet, I think we'll have to agree to disagree here.

You can disagree all you want, however, you'll be wrong. It isnt subjective. I have provided a factual example that my Dad and I experienced.

[James78]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

You can disagree all you want, however, you'll be wrong. It isnt subjective. I have provided a factual example that my Dad and I experienced.

I am very glad that you had a positive film experience with your father. I am sorry that we disagree.

[TruBlu06]

I believe that in America today the ratings system is broken and needs fixed/replaced. I would not go as far to say that it should be enforced by law, as that would reduce the liberties that our forefathers died for. If someone thinks their child should watch a certain film, even though I may disagree, they have the right to let them see it. This takes us to a certain dilemma though. What about rentals? Is the government going to inspect everyone's houses to make sure that no minor is watching an R movie? I seriously doubt it. What about television? Are they going to do the same? No, the system needs fixed to allow for our free choice, but fully warning parents of movie content. I myself have seen several movies that I felt were incorrectly rated one way or the other.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by jmo78

I am very glad that you had a positive film experience with your father. I am sorry that we disagree.

How can those two sentences be together?

If Papillon were a "15", my dad (an innocent) and I (an innocent) would have been hurt.

Disagreeing with that is like disagreeing that a pine tree is a plant.

I get the impression that you enjoy being controlled by laws and rules.

[nolfoc]

wasn't Jaws PG back in the day?

[James78]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

I get the impression that you enjoy being controlled by laws and rules.

I simply think we disagree and that's alright. I don't know what to say. I am not trying to antagonise you, SquidPuppet. We have different opinions, that's all.

[TruBlu06]

Originally Posted by nolfoc

wasn't Jaws PG back in the day?

I think so. I believe it still is.

[nolfoc]

Originally Posted by TruBlu06

I think so. I believe it still is.

it is, but i meant if Jaws came out today or even 15 years ago it would be rated R.. man life was the best back in the day, i get jealous of the life style people had when i watch Dazed and Confused..

[enigma]

Originally Posted by jmo78

Maybe you could contribute your opinions on the subject to get the ball rolling?

Fair enough. Glancing over my list, here's a few PG-13 movies that I've watched that didn't feel PG-13. Please bear in mind (and I can't emphasize this enough) I'm not necessarily suggesting these should be R by any means. Just that I think they fell more on the side of PG-13 that could have been R as opposed to (and more importantly) PG movies that potentially were just bumped to PG-13 due to something stupid.

Sucker Punch
Scott Pilgrim vs. the World
Source Code
Insidious
The Dark Knight
The Ring
Cloverfield

I personally do not think any of those should be rated R, but the point here is that not all PG-13 is created equal. And I'd classify the ones listed above as "downgraded R" as opposed to "upgraded PG." There is a difference.

I'll go over my collection more thoroughly when I'm done being bedridden. I spent Tuesday night in the ER with heart issues, so my "thinking" mode isn't exactly at 100%.

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[TruBlu06]

Originally Posted by nolfoc

it is, but i meant if Jaws came out today or even 15 years ago it would be rated R.. man life was the best back in the day, i get jealous of the life style people had when i watch Dazed and Confused..

Yeah, sure would have. I wonder if Spielberg has thought of a Jaws remake.

[TruBlu06]

Originally Posted by enigma

Fair enough. Glancing over my list, here's a few PG-13 movies that I've watched that didn't feel PG-13. Please bear in mind (and I can't emphasize this enough) I'm not necessarily suggesting these should be R by any means. Just that I think they fell more on the side of PG-13 that could have been R as opposed to (and more importantly) PG movies that potentially were just bumped to PG-13 due to something stupid.

Sucker Punch
Scott Pilgrim vs. the World
Source Code
Insidious
The Dark Knight
The Ring
Cloverfield

I personally do not think any of those should be rated R, but the point here is that not all PG-13 is created equal. And I'd classify the ones listed above as "downgraded R" as opposed to "upgraded PG." There is a difference.

I'll go over my collection more thoroughly when I'm done being bedridden. I spent Tuesday night in the ER with heart issues, so my "thinking" mode isn't exactly at 100%.

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I myself found The Dark Knight too dark and violent to be rated a PG-13. It was borderline R in my opinion.

[James78]

Originally Posted by enigma

Glancing over my list, here's a few PG-13 movies that I've watched that didn't feel PG-13:

The Ring
Cloverfield

I personally do not think any of those should be rated R, but the point here is that not all PG-13 is created equal. And I'd classify the ones listed above as "downgraded R" as opposed to "upgraded PG." There is a difference.

I'm sorry you haven't been well, enigma. The two films above are rated 15 here. What age-group would you rate your "dowgraded R" as?

[McCrutchy]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

How can those two sentences be together?

If Papillon were a "15", my dad (an innocent) and I (an innocent) would have been hurt.

Disagreeing with that is like disagreeing that a pine tree is a plant.

I get the impression that you enjoy being controlled by laws and rules.

Papillon is a '15' in the UK, and it used to be an '18' for many years.

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/DVF015647/

[HorrorBlu]

I think a rating system is definitely helpful, especially to those with children.

However, I don't think movies should have to be edited for an R-rating, or be edited to achieve any rating for that matter.

The R-rating pretty much speaks for itself. When you see these unrated versions, the difference is usually just a couple of seconds.

If the audience isn't capable of handling these extra couple of seconds, then they probably shouldn't be watching the movie at all.

I think the ratings system is nice, but the way it is run is absurd.

[enigma]

Originally Posted by jmo78

I'm sorry you haven't been well, enigma. The two films above are rated 15 here. What age-group would you rate your "dowgraded R" as?

See, that's the one thing I read here that I wholeheartedly agree with: a big part of the problem lies in the fact that our ratings go from PG-13 right to R. I understand that parents can read the fine print to see what's involved in the rating, but I'm not speaking as a parent. I'm speaking as a 28-year-old male. And the fact remains that I believe the PG-13 spectrum is too broad. You know what you're getting with G. You have a pretty good idea what you're getting with PG. With R, well...almost anything goes. But PG-13 can potentially be a PG movie with a covered 5-second sex session or a R movie with a single violent scene removed. And therein lies the problem, in my opinion.

That's why I immediately subscribed to this thread because I was anxious to find out about some adult-oriented (which does not equal "adult") PG-13 movies that may have flown under my radar.

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